True Comparirison Speed and spin rubbers with Spin Sight with Dan

[vik]

Hi Dan
You collaborate with spinsight and Companies producing rubbers.Can you make real comparison with spinsight?You can choose one type of blade for example viscaria and glue them different types of rubbers, Buttefly,Tibhar,Andro etc, After that you can give us true comparison in terms of speed and spin
can you do it for us?

 

[Julzig]

Is he able to hit with full potential on every rubber though?
And is Spinsight sufficient enough? When I hit full power I never got a reading on speed, sadly.
In general I like the idea if we add speed of different strokes and not focus on maximum reached. Low power, medium, max. With spin, flat hit.

 

[NetProphet]

Is he able to hit with full potential on every rubber though?
And is Spinsight sufficient enough? When I hit full power I never got a reading on speed, sadly.
In general I like the idea if we add speed of different strokes and not focus on maximum reached. Low power, medium, max. With spin, flat hit.

These are valid points but still, Dan is a good player and having a 'Dan' spinsight reference for the most popular rubbers would still be pretty cool. If it's the same personal testing the rubbers the comparisons would be valid, even if a better or worse player would record different numbers.

 

[Zezima]

spinsight has a tolerance, and dan doesn't play each day the same and even if he tests it on the same day exhaustion and concentration goes down over time.

 

[pong99]

spinsight has a tolerance, and dan doesn't play each day the same and even if he tests it on the same day exhaustion and concentration goes down over time.

Of course. Dan will not have the same swing speed on every swing. What is his variability swing to swing, one day versus another?

For golfers using swing analyzers to dial in clubs, you have to have clubhead speed to do any meaningful comparisons. No clubhead speed = waste of time. High quality equipment costs much more than an iPhone.

Spinsight quotes a best case error rate of +-2.5% and worst case +-5%. 100 spin could be at worst, 95-105.

A commercial retail rubber marked 50 is not 50.0000, it's around 49-51.

These variables and others make Dan comparisons pointless.

 

[vik]

Dan can you hear us?

 

[NetProphet]

spinsight has a tolerance, and dan doesn't play each day the same and even if he tests it on the same day exhaustion and concentration goes down over time.

What is your point here?
That because humans aren't machines that any comparisons will not be useable or worthwhile?
As someone who has done a lot of research into rubbers and blade combinations this past year do you not think some benchmark comparison would have been useful?

 

[pong99]

Many TTD rubber reviews already have comparison tables at the end of the video like below. A more reasonable ask is if Dan and crew could roll up all the ratings into one master table and put it in a sticky in the equipment section.

btw, the Spinsight videos are sponsored, so the TTD crew is not likely to do free ads for every review.

 

[jk1980]

it's clear that the manufacturers (ESN) or brands selling the rubbers (andro, donic etc) are not really interested in such a rated comparison, because it would instantly invalidate their marketing lingo.
If spinsight as a subcompany of ESN was smart it would actually add a feature for people to add the equipment that they are currently playing with and create a database of players + their material to be able to correlate what equipment is used by players reaching higher numbers, but currently the number of actual spinsight users is just too low for this to be feasable i guess.

 

[jonol]

It wouldn't be perfect but it would certainly be interesting.

 

[Lula]

I agree. All studies have more or less issues with the method, how good the reliability and validity is. This would give a bit more objective numbers. I believe many just think the most expensive is the best.

 

[vik]

Many TTD rubber reviews already have comparison tables at the end of the video like below. A more reasonable ask is if Dan and crew could roll up all the ratings into one master table and put it in a sticky in the equipment section.

btw, the Spinsight videos are sponsored, so the TTD crew is not likely to do free ads for every review.

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It would be be interesting if figures are true. May be there are not much differences and people can save money. We are amateures so Dan would give us better feedback than pro players.

 

[Tembel]

Many TTD rubber reviews already have comparison tables at the end of the video like below. A more reasonable ask is if Dan and crew could roll up all the ratings into one master table and put it in a sticky in the equipment section.

btw, the Spinsight videos are sponsored, so the TTD crew is not likely to do free ads for every review.

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Yeah, these old table are so unscientific and subjective. Most of those columns could be filled in with real data from Spinsight measurements. Then of course the values could be totally different depending on reference point of what blade the rubbers are glued at and the skill of the player. I.e. a player with slow speed of stroke will probably get more spin out of a softer sponged rubber and a player with a harder stroke would be able to get more out of a XH rubber.

TTD could show this by comparing result from lets say "Beast" and "The Founder", who I believe have quite different swing speed.

I do not agree that having spingsight readings in TTD review would be pointless due to fatigue and other factors. Even though of course those comments are valid in the respect that it would influence the accuracy of the readings, but the data would still be so much better than these old subjective scoring tables based on gut feeling.

 

[Tyce]

I think the more questionable thing here is whether TTD's sponsors would actually accept having these kinds of reviews posted about their products.
Of course, they would use the argument of inaccuracy, but if any review based on actual measurements makes their product look worse than advertised, that doesn't really entice them to keep sponsoring, does it?

This isn't going to happen unless some completely independent, unsponsored party picks this idea up, throws money at it and starts making scientifically valid videos.