What butterfly blade should i get?

[KounaTaPodiaSou]

how does Hadraw 5 compare to korbel? The korbel grip is too small for me

I haven't really tried a Hadraw 5 so I can't give you any info. I think it would be a touch harder than the Korbel due to the harder outer wood but I don't know. It is for sure much more expensive though. I agree with you on the handle of the korbel, this is the only downside I can think for this blade. Apart from that, I love it,

 

[Machi]

I haven't really tried a Hadraw 5 so I can't give you any info. I think it would be a touch harder than the Korbel due to the harder outer wood but I don't know. It is for sure much more expensive though. I agree with you on the handle of the korbel, this is the only downside I can think for this blade. Apart from that, I love it,

Grip tape will fix the small handle of the korbel right?

 

[KounaTaPodiaSou]

It should, although I haven't tried it yet and I don't know if I will. In case I do, I'll let you know.

 

[Silver Server]

Hadraw 5 will be too fast for you. A light weight Korbel (88g or less) might be suitable if you can get used to the handle Just get Primorac with 1.9 Rozena for both sides and stick with it for the next year. It will take you a couple of weeks to get used to its speed & catapult, but I don't find it nearly as fast as some other rubbers.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

how does Hadraw 5 compare to korbel? The korbel grip is too small for me

Hadraw 5 is not a bad choice. Hadraw has a hard surface, while Korbel has a soft surface. It will be faster than Korbel, so if you get Hadraw then you should definitely put slow rubbers on it.

You could learn to play with Hadraw 5, and some might even recommend it. I currently use blades which are built similarly to Hadraw (I really like the feeling of 5-ply hardwood), and I learned how to play with this type of blade. I'm not sure it's the optimal way to learn, but it's definitely possible.

Hadraw 5 will work best with slow tacky Chinese rubbers like Hurricane 3 or Skyline 2. If you try to put springy Butterfly rubbers on it, it will be out of control.

Soft wood like Korbel or Primorac will be best for looping and spinning. Hardwood like Hadraw will be best for blocking, chopping, chop-blocking, punching, and attacking the ball directly after the bounce. You can make your decision based on the playing style that you aspire to have.

You can see the difference in playing style between Petr Korbel (who uses a softwood blade) and Ma Lin (who uses a hardwood blade). Korbel's style is based around making consistent, medium-quality loops. He builds his points slowly, and rarely uses a "kill shot". Instead, he uses spin to gradually push his opponent back and move his opponent out of position. His winning shots aren't significantly faster than his other shots, and he doesn't win the point by overpowering his opponents. Rather, he wins the point by pushing his opponents out of position, and then sending the ball to the other side of the court.

This is in contrast to Ma Lin, who does a lot of chop-blocking, punching, and smacking. His hardwood blade allows him to change the pace very abruptly -- by returning a fast ball slowly, or by returning a slow ball with a kill shot. He wins many points by simply hitting the ball so fast that the opponent cannot react to it in time.

Softwood is more reliant on your opponent's pace, and it's harder to change the pace quickly; you have to build up to fast shots, and you have to slow down gradually.

Grip tape will fix the small handle of the korbel right?

That is possible, yes.

 

[Machi]

Hadraw 5 is not a bad choice. Hadraw has a hard surface, while Korbel has a soft surface. It will be faster than Korbel, so if you get Hadraw then you should definitely put slow rubbers on it.

You could learn to play with Hadraw 5, and some might even recommend it. I currently use blades which are built similarly to Hadraw (I really like the feeling of 5-ply hardwood), and I learned how to play with this type of blade. I'm not sure it's the optimal way to learn, but it's definitely possible.

Hadraw 5 will work best with slow tacky Chinese rubbers like Hurricane 3 or Skyline 2. If you try to put springy Butterfly rubbers on it, it will be out of control.

Soft wood like Korbel or Primorac will be best for looping and spinning. Hardwood like Hadraw will be best for blocking, chopping, chop-blocking, punching, and attacking the ball directly after the bounce. You can make your decision based on the playing style that you aspire to have.

You can see the difference in playing style between Petr Korbel (who uses a softwood blade) and Ma Lin (who uses a hardwood blade). Korbel's style is based around making consistent, medium-quality loops. He builds his points slowly, and rarely uses a "kill shot". Instead, he uses spin to gradually push his opponent back and move his opponent out of position. His winning shots aren't significantly faster than his other shots, and he doesn't win the point by overpowering his opponents. Rather, he wins the point by pushing his opponents out of position, and then sending the ball to the other side of the court.

This is in contrast to Ma Lin, who does a lot of chop-blocking, punching, and smacking. His hardwood blade allows him to change the pace very abruptly -- by returning a fast ball slowly, or by returning a slow ball with a kill shot. He wins many points by simply hitting the ball so fast that the opponent cannot react to it in time.

Softwood is more reliant on your opponent's pace, and it's harder to change the pace quickly; you have to build up to fast shots, and you have to slow down gradually.

That is possible, yes.

Which blade is easier to forehand loop and drive with?

 

[Machi]

Also will dhs hurricane 3 and hadraw 5 goes with each other well? I saw some post saying hurricane 3 is better with flexible blades

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Which blade is easier to forehand loop and drive with?

Darker Speed 90

 

[Machi]

Darker Speed 90

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What is darker speed 90???

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

What is darker speed 90???

It is a legendary blade that will boost all your stats by +8. It is so legendary, you need to be put on a waiting list of nine to twelve months before you can buy one, at the very minimal.

NB: The nine months waiting time is not a joke. It is real.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

What is darker speed 90???

Oh no, here we go 😭

 

[Machi]

Oh no, here we go 😭

What's wrong?

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Which blade is easier to forehand loop and drive with?

It really depends. You get different types of loops with each one.

Hardwood is better for counterspinning directly after the bounce (while the ball is still in an upward trajectory), and it can create deadly fast power-loops.

Softwood allows you to handle spin better, but you have to be careful with it. You need to wait for the ball longer, and it's very difficult to take the ball right after the bounce on its upward trajectory. As a result, you have less of a surprise factor against your opponent. Your loops will be more spinny than with hardwood, they will have a higher arc, and they will be slower.

Hardwood will produce deadlier loops, but less consistently than softwood. Softwood will produce more consistent spinny loops than hardwood, but they won't be as dangerous or surprising.

The answer to your question depends on what purpose you use looping for. If you use looping to end the rally and make a "kill shot", then get the Hadraw. If you use looping as your "bread and butter" default stroke, then get Korbel.

Also will dhs hurricane 3 and hadraw 5 goes with each other well? I saw some post saying hurricane 3 is better with flexible blades

Hadraw is flexible. Hadraw is also hard.

There is a difference between hardness and flexibility. Hardness refers to how much the ball penetrates the surface of the wood. Stiffness refers to how much the blade flexes upon impact with the ball.

You can get blades which are stiff and soft. You can also get blades which are hard and flexible (for example, Hadraw). Korbel is both soft and flexible.

 

[Machi]

Thanks, I will get hadraw 5 and hurricane 3 for forehand, rozena for backhand.

 

[mightymouse]

Current / new Korbel (Japanese version) is usually above 90 grams. I remember weighing them few years ago and the lowest was around 93 grams. They are stiffer and faster, compared to my old Korbel (black tag). Old Korbel is quite soft and quite flexible. It is more suitable for beginners compared to new Korbel. I don't say that you can't improve with new Korbel. With proper training, yes, you can advance well. And it is a blade that you can use your whole life.

But if you are a beginner and don't have a coach to train you, I prefer that you choose Primorac Off-. It is plenty fast.

I have seen lots of players (rookies) who use Boll ALC, Freitas ALC, etc. with newest generation of tensors and we (older folks) beat them all using Yasaka Sweden Extra or Stiga Allround Evolution with cheap standard Chinese rubbers (such as AK 47). And they are confused as to why we can hit harder and spinnier than them (although we are much older than them). The reason is, I (and lots of my friends) started playing TT using Allround blades with Sriver EL and/or Mark V (with no speed glue at all). That forced us to develop better technique because we did not rely on our equipment.

So back to your situation:
1. If you don't have a coach and can't train often, choose Primorac Off-
2. If you can train often and/or have a coach, then choose Korbel.

Special consideration: If you want a blade you can use your whole life, then choose Korbel. If you are using Primorac Off-, unless you are content with the situation, one day you want to upgrade. But with Korbel, you don't have to, as it is still used by high level players competitively.

Don't even think about Darker 90. (of course, by saying this, as a curious human being, you will start researching about Darker 90). But if you want to learn good proper techniques, then use All+ / Off- blades. They serve you better. Korbel will be the maximum limit (don't go harder or faster than this).

 

[mightymouse]

Thanks, I will get hadraw 5 and hurricane 3 for forehand, rozena for backhand.

Ah, you have made a decision (around the same time I wrote my response).

Hadraw 5 is a bit thicker than Avalox P500 (they have the same composition, only different thickness). Back in the old days, I used Korbel and also Avalox P500. And they are about the same speed. So I guess Hadraw 5 is a bit faster (depending on the weight also).

In addition, you will use Hurricane 3, so your combination will not be too fast. They are still ideal for you to learn. Can't say anything about Rozena as I never use it. But I guess it is not too fast either.

 

[Machi]

Ah, you have made a decision (around the same time I wrote my response).

Hadraw 5 is a bit thicker than Avalox P500 (they have the same composition, only different thickness). Back in the old days, I used Korbel and also Avalox P500. And they are about the same speed. So I guess Hadraw 5 is a bit faster (depending on the weight also).

In addition, you will use Hurricane 3, so your combination will not be too fast. They are still ideal for you to learn. Can't say anything about Rozena as I never use it. But I guess it is not too fast either.

I talked to the shop owner and he said I should get Timo Boll spirit and tenergy 05, I know the 05 is not good for beginners but the shop owner told me Timo Boll spirt is controllable even though it is fast. Is it true that Timo Boll spirit is controllable?

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I talked to the shop owner and he said I should get Timo Boll spirit and tenergy 05, I know the 05 is not good for beginners but the shop owner told me Timo Boll spirt is controllable even though it is fast. Is it true that Timo Boll spirit is controllable?

Politely decline. Tell the shop owner you will want the Korbel and two pieces of Rozena.

 

[haggisv]

I talked to the shop owner and he said I should get Timo Boll spirit and tenergy 05, I know the 05 is not good for beginners but the shop owner told me Timo Boll spirt is controllable even though it is fast. Is it true that Timo Boll spirit is controllable?

Everything is controllable at the right skill level. For beginners this combination is definitely too fast. Although it will feel great when you attack, you'll have very little control over your game.

 

[Lazer]

I talked to the shop owner and he said I should get Timo Boll spirit and tenergy 05, I know the 05 is not good for beginners but the shop owner told me Timo Boll spirt is controllable even though it is fast. Is it true that Timo Boll spirit is controllable?

Wrong... control is the inverse of speed, more speed = harder to control. less speed = easier to control.
For Timo boll its contollable but not for a beginner.

That blade together with Tenergy 05 = disaster...

Cheers
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