What is the most important area to jump from 1900 to 2100?

[Ghostzen]

i'm also eager to hear if it was practice matches
or rating matches where wins/losses are at stake.

Was this win in a ratings/competition or just training /practice?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Was this win in a ratings/competition or just trading /practice?

waiting for OP (tb) to answer.
probably practice/fun match, because he did say he doesn't play in rating/competition tournaments

 

[Grumms]

waiting for OP (tb) to answer.
probably practice/fun match, because he did say he doesn't play in rating/competition tournaments

So any evaluation is useless. There's such a gap in players' way to play between practice and serious game. I know some that can play 2300 during the week and 1900 on sunday.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

So what happens to places where there is no rating system like... err... hmmmm .... Taiwan?

 

[Grumms]

So what happens to places where there is no rating system like... err... hmmmm .... Taiwan?

There's no competition and no ranking ? No scale of any sort ?

Evaluating a non-competition level is useless. It's like playing poker without any money. There is no pressure, your choices have no consequences. No one cares how skilled you are in training games.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So any evaluation is useless. There's such a gap in players' way to play between practice and serious game. I know some that can play 2300 during the week and 1900 on sunday.

preciously.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So what happens to places where there is no rating system like... err... hmmmm .... Taiwan?

we don't have rating system, we have ranking system.

and now with many Taiwanese players having TTR and USATT ratings, I am able to pretty much rate them quite accurately.

But then this has nothing to do with player playing serious or not - that you are responding to.

if for money, or for ranking, you will see a 1900 getting thrashed by 2400.
The only question is, would the 2400 conserve energy or not.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

You also have to change your attitude. You often play "victim". You send very gentle balls and you step back, allowing your opponent to pressure you immediately and preventing you to have any chance in the rally.

This is what happens to anybody when they are playing someone 400+ points better than them, it isn't just TB. Also why I asked for a video against someone his level but he hasn't provided yet...

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I'm playing in boots because I was not planning on playing this day. I was just walking around the gym in boots and watching other players. Victor saw me and said "wanna have a quick hit?". So I just started playing a for fun game and didn't have time to change shoes or warm up or anything.

He has answered the question - this was clearly just a casual mess around situation and its unlikely his opponent was giving more than 50% of top effort.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Your weakness is that you can't evaluate yourself I think. Serves : no direct win on this, at best your serve is 3/10. Topspin : 8/10 would be a very very skilled player, maybe 2400. You are at 5/10 at best. Footwork also (and what are those shoes ? Look like work site shoes). But we all estimate ourselves poorly, I myself cried when I saw me play on video.

You also have to change your attitude. You often play "victim". You send very gentle balls and you step back, allowing your opponent to pressure you immediately and preventing you to have any chance in the rally.

When i say 6/10, i am not comparing myself to Ma Long and ittf players.

I am comparing to the general pool of hobby players in my area. 10 for serve would be the best server of the 2400 player in my area. 1 would be the worst server of the 600 player.

I think my serve is not great, but slightly above average. I generally win a few free serve points here and there, and people will comment they feel troubled by the spin.

Topspin is where I win most of my points and would be in the top 80% in my area pool.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

This is what happens to anybody when they are playing someone 400+ points better than them, it isn't just TB. Also why I asked for a video against someone his level but he hasn't provided yet...

Kayama Yu against a 2600 level

block block, okay, time to end the rally (PS, the drill is block 5 to 7 and then you must counter).
well there is a level difference if the stronger player decides to put in some effort.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Kayama Yu against a 2600 level

block block, okay, time to end the rally (PS, the drill is block 5 to 7 and then you must counter).
well there is a level difference if the stronger player decides to put in some effort.

Tony, why you bring in Pros?

Us Hobby players are darn super happy when we win a bucket of hot wings on Friday play-offs against Bob, Rob and Sally, ok! I mean, hot wings, damm! Hot wings!

 

[TensorBackhand]

This is what happens to anybody when they are playing someone 400+ points better than them, it isn't just TB. Also why I asked for a video against someone his level but he hasn't provided yet...

I'll try to show you a video sometime. But the video I sent you is from 7 months ago. I stopped playing completely for 4 months. I just started practicing lightly again for 3 sessions, but I am still nowhere near my former level. My timing and feeling and shot ability isn't back yet. So for now I am trying to get back in form first.

Actually the reason I started practicing again was because after 4 months I noticed a drop in my daily life stamina. So I wanted to get some exercise again. I'm still having trouble finding any motivation to actually train and love TT.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Your weakness is that you can't evaluate yourself I think. Serves : no direct win on this, at best your serve is 3/10. Topspin : 8/10 would be a very very skilled player, maybe 2400. You are at 5/10 at best. Footwork also (and what are those shoes ? Look like work site shoes). But we all estimate ourselves poorly, I myself cried when I saw me play on video.

You also have to change your attitude. You often play "victim". You send very gentle balls and you step back, allowing your opponent to pressure you immediately and preventing you to have any chance in the rally.

This is also why I asked the question. I'm trying to incorporate more aggressiveness into my style: that's why I want to develop my aggressive loop receive, as well as 3rd ball attack, as well as my counter attack.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Tony, why you bring in Pros?

Us Hobby players are darn super happy when we win a bucket of hot wings on Friday play-offs against Bob, Rob and Sally, ok! I mean, hot wings, damm! Hot wings!

sorry
but I only have videos of pros.....lol

 

[Grumms]

This is what happens to anybody when they are playing someone 400+ points better than them, it isn't just TB. Also why I asked for a video against someone his level but he hasn't provided yet...

No, you can be, and you have to be, agressive against way better players than yourself. I played a guy 1000 points over me this summer. Of course I lost, but my only chance to grab points was to take insane risks. It was fun, handicap tournament, he was starting at -10 and I lost to the decider.

This weekend, I beat a guy 300+ than me and lost another one in a beautiful game, and I was not a victim either. "Victim" attitude does not depend on the opponent, except he has a very very agressive play.

 

[TensorBackhand]

This is what happens to anybody when they are playing someone 400+ points better than them, it isn't just TB. Also why I asked for a video against someone his level but he hasn't provided yet...

To be honest, in this particular 2 minute video, I don't see where I am playing overly "victim" or defensive.

I hit 2 FH winners. I think I did 4 BH opening loops and attempted followup attack and scored points on a few of those. I attempted a couple counter loops.

There were actually just a couple instances where I was forced to block. I felt most of the game was just me struggling to return serve.

 

[Zezima]

When going up the ladder how do you guys play more "aggressive"?
In training when doing drills I am performing really good etc. but in an actual match I am blocking more or go 100% loops that go out. I tried lowering from 100% to like 50% but then they can chose where to block and I am in the backfoot. That pressure makes me want to loop 100% or safely block nothing in between.

Match I am talking about: https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/club-championship.37289/ I am the one in black/red
I feel like all those forehand topspin trainings was for nothing when I am 80% of the time forced to block because I can't or didn't practise counterlooping enough. And a 2300RC showed us in the last tournament when he beat the best player in my county (1900RC) that you can win without having to counterloop a single time anyway.
I also watched this match many times and feel like I couldn't predict where he is gonna place his serve or balls on my side and once he got a topspin going it never ended. So I want to understand what and how I can improve in terms of my placement and everything.
Is it because I practise my drills in way where I loop in a way that my practise partner can block it safely back that I forgot how to loop in a way to make it harder for them to bring it back? How can I reach the next level - someone like me I mean. Please don't just say footwork and placement. Be a bit more concrete if possible. Maybe better players can go through their thought process on what they think about where they need to loop (placement wise) in a match. In my game it felt like he had no specific weakness that I could have abused more.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

No, you can be, and you have to be, agressive against way better players than yourself. I played a guy 1000 points over me this summer. Of course I lost, but my only chance to grab points was to take insane risks. It was fun, handicap tournament, he was starting at -10 and I lost to the decider.

This weekend, I beat a guy 300+ than me and lost another one in a beautiful game, and I was not a victim either. "Victim" attitude does not depend on the opponent, except he has a very very agressive play.

You can take risks in the rally but you have to get to the rally first. That didn't happen for TB in the clips shown in this video. Trying to be more aggressive on the serve receive or third balls that he was already missing would have just led to missing even worse.

The point is that you can't judge a player by how they're playing in a video against someone who is just so much better than them in every facet of the game. The way he plays in this clip is probably not reflective of how he plays people his level.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It was fun, handicap tournament, he was starting at -10 and I lost to the decider.

I still remember when I was a kid
to 21,
my coach will give me 15 points handicap, and I would loose 21-16