What is the ranking/positioning or Loki Table Tennis Brands (rubber and blades)?

[staysmart]

I don't understand how do they position their product brands. I understand that Kirin is the cheapest and lowest quality. How about Telson/Rxton/Arthur? Do they have an easy to understand positioning (low, medium, high end?). Is Rxton below Arthur?

Thank you

 

[Grumms]

Rxton 7 and 9 are the same quality than Arthur.

Rxton 1 is the lowest quality, then Rxton 3 and then Rxton 5. But quality is already very decent.

 

[Wakkibatty]

With Loki's non tacky inverted rubbers, Kirin 1 is their entry level product. Then comes Kirin 3 and 5, but personally I prefer Kirin 1 to Kirin 3.

Above that are their old T3 (now discontinued I believe), The Telson 100 rubber, the Arthur Europe, and the Arthur Europe Diamond (I think both AE and AED are non-tacky... I've never used them so I'm not completely sure).

The AE and AWD were their best non tacky rubbers until the Telson 100 come along. Not having used the AE or AED makes it hard to judge, but IIRC they are positioning the T100 as their best non-tacky rubber -- certainly it's one of the best ones available anywhere at that price point (think Tenergy 05 Hard or T64 like performance).

 

[ttarc]

I don't understand how do they position their product brands. I understand that Kirin is the cheapest and lowest quality. How about Telson/Rxton/Arthur? Do they have an easy to understand positioning (low, medium, high end?). Is Rxton below Arthur?

Thank you

Don't know why their website isn't working here but their catalogue is still online https://flbook.com.cn/c/VubLi8CH4p
By pricing the ranking would be Arthur, than Telson, Rxton and Kirin (works for all blades if I didn't miss something) but there are some rubbers like the Kirin K5 which are more expensive than some Rxton rubbers and the Rxton 9 is the most expensive rubber.

 

[mattlamperouge]

Its a bit complicated since they added rubbers and blade series, some updated packagings and some products are experiments mainly for chinese market. A simplified current catalog would be something like this:
● RUBBERS
RXTON series: Tacky or semi tacky rubbers, price and target market goes up from Rxton 1 as cheap beginner rubbers to R9 national for advanced players.

KIRIN series: Entry level BH oriented rubbers. K1 3 & 5 Non tacky grippy rubbers. (K3 in theory replaces T3 carbon) and also 3 pimples SP MP & LP. I once pointed out the close price between K5 and Telson 100 but the agent told me that Telson 100 was a pro grade rubber with great reviews from high level players so they made the difference clear. (I felt that he implied T100 had great pricing/performance)

ARTHUR SERIES: The first advanced premium series. ARTHUR china asia and europe 3 tacky rubbers with different sponges and hardness. Europe diamond a softer sponge with grippy rubber ESN style. I was told some were first made in germany then they started making them in their factory.

TELSON 100: Japanese style rubber (T05 style they said) grippy topsheet.
They market it as pro BH rubber alongside Rxton 9 for the Fh as their topend products.
In theory a Telson 100zz is in development a more "German style" grippy rubber.

 

[mattlamperouge]

● BLADES
They have a lot of options in the Kirin Series. From entry level dirt cheap options with and without carbon.
All the other series are typical external or internal carbon combinations with different price, quality and fibers.
price goes up from Rxton series to Telson to Arthur W81 etc. For example Rxton 7 pro Telson Speed and W81 outer are all Viscaria style blades, Koto top ply with carbon next to it. They change fibers as far as i know.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Loki is pretty confusing and inconsistent.

For me, I find Arthur Asia and Arthur China to be their best rubbers, and they both react well to booster. If only they can fix the bonding weakness.

Telson 100 has tremendous rebound/speed after boosting. Before boosting, I thought was underwhelming to be honest.

Rxton 7 was underwhelming to me, Rxton 9 was good for control, but underwhelming in speed/power.

Rxton 5 and Rxton 3 Pro are very inconsistent in sponge hardness and performance from sheet to sheet. Loki can do better there.

 

[zeio]

【雷神】亚瑟中国大概是我见过最复杂的命名 ([Loki] Arthur China is likely the most convoluted naming scheme I've ever seen)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9536973365
直板七夹 如此复杂的名称，谁敢买？？
IP属地:重庆来自Android客户端1楼2025-03-01 18:59回复
(Such a convoluted name, who dares to buy??)

呆胶布萌大奶 **雷神是这样的…管事的跟个老坛一样…一个名字它尼玛能用在四五个产品上，既是胶皮名又是底板名，套胶底板主打一个老坛取名，又是省队又是pro又是特制，产品主打一个下饺子，一个系列一个产品能出一堆…主打一个疯狂下勾总有鱼上钩
IP属地:贵州来自Android客户端3楼2025-03-01 20:26收起回复
(Loki is like this... The one in charge is like an old fart... One name can yo mama be used on four or five products, and it is both the name of the rubber and the name of the blade. The idea is that the rubber and blade are named by old farts - provincial, pro and special, and the idea is that the products are dumplings [a ton of the same thing], and for a series and a product they can release a bunch... The idea is to drop a ton of hooks, there will always be fish to take the hook)

 

[lodro]

【雷神】亚瑟中国大概是我见过最复杂的命名 ([Loki] Arthur China is likely the most convoluted naming scheme I've ever seen)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9536973365
直板七夹 如此复杂的名称，谁敢买？？
IP属地:重庆来自Android客户端1楼2025-03-01 18:59回复
(Such a convoluted name, who dares to buy??)

呆胶布萌大奶 **雷神是这样的…管事的跟个老坛一样…一个名字它尼玛能用在四五个产品上，既是胶皮名又是底板名，套胶底板主打一个老坛取名，又是省队又是pro又是特制，产品主打一个下饺子，一个系列一个产品能出一堆…主打一个疯狂下勾总有鱼上钩
IP属地:贵州来自Android客户端3楼2025-03-01 20:26收起回复
(Loki is like this... The one in charge is like an old fart... One name can yo mama be used on four or five products, and it is both the name of the rubber and the name of the blade. The idea is that the rubber and blade are named by old farts - provincial, pro and special, and the idea is that the products are dumplings [a ton of the same thing], and for a series and a product they can release a bunch... The idea is to drop a ton of hooks, there will always be fish to take the hook)

Hehehe 😂 The problem with old farts is that they easily get confused . Loki and their ever expanding range of rubbers and blades is showing clear signs of "fartism".

More is not always better and the qualitative inconsistency problems made me turn away from Loki.

 

[zeio]

I've always suspected the folks at Loki are the same ones that worked for/with Xiom in mainland China. Very similar marketing.

 

[zeio]

雷神真是国产底板的颜值担当啊！ (Loki is really the role model in looks for domestically-made blades)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9547616933

 

[TT Lover]

● BLADES
They have a lot of options in the Kirin Series. From entry level dirt cheap options with and without carbon.
All the other series are typical external or internal carbon combinations with different price, quality and fibers.
price goes up from Rxton series to Telson to Arthur W81 etc. For example Rxton 7 pro Telson Speed and W81 outer are all Viscaria style blades, Koto top ply with carbon next to it. They change fibers as far as i know.

What is the fastest Koto top ply blade from Loki in your experience.

 

[mattlamperouge]

What is the fastest Koto top ply blade from Loki in your experience.

W81 outer i guess. But telson speed its quite fast too so i dont know.