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olvarox
05-28-2011, 05:24 PM
Hi everyone

I'm looking for someone who has played this Giant Dragon TopEnergy rubber (or the soft version).

Is it good enough to replace (or nearly replace) Butterfly Tenergy?
At 20 euros a piece, it's worth while looking into...

Is it Asian Tacky, or does it feel more European?

Thanks for your replies in advance...

http://ztabletennis.com/zshop/images/giantdragon/topenergysoft_rubber.jpg

YosuaYosan
05-28-2011, 11:57 PM
Haha it seems like GD 'challenges' Butterfly right away..
Tenergy vs TopEnergy.
Actually my first impression of Tenergy is Top Energy :D

poltery
05-29-2011, 02:26 AM
wow does this have spring sponge too??

olvarox
05-29-2011, 04:46 PM
I don't know much about it, so I'm desperately looking for some reviews. I won't buy it untill I hear some reviewing

TTStefanoT05FX
05-29-2011, 04:53 PM
Well i dont know anything about this rubber but i did found one review about it.. maybe it helps you here:
i Found this on the web..
Let me start off by stating that I am now a reseller of Giant Dragon. I became a reseller at our club because I was looking for a tt company that had good products that didn't cost as much as the European/Japanese products. I liked the way Karate soft and Taichi played, but they were more moderately priced at $18 and good rubbers for beginner and intermediate players. TopENERGY is their high-end rubber for advanced players so I was very anxious to try it out. Just got some sheets a few days ago and gave them a try over the weekend. First off...the sponge is PURPLE for the black rubber! Have never seen a sponge like this before. The sponge is slightly tacky. The red sheet has an orange sponge. The sponge is a little rough like Tenergy and Baracuda but not as much. The rubber is also heavier like Tenergy and Baracuda. I put a sheet on a Donic Burn Off- blade, and a Giant Dragon OFF balsa/kevlar blade. The rubber is medium to medium hard, but plays a little softer. I found I was able to brush loop with the rubber, and loop drive as well with no problems. The rubber really has a high throw. The first couple of balls I pushed with it were very high. Couldn't believe how high the ball went when I pushed with it, but adjusted after a few minutes. I then gave this to my 9-year old son who is only about 1000, but takes lessons every week and has a loop more like a 1500+ player. He looped better with this rubber than any he has looped with to date. He has played with Baracuda 1.8mm, Sriver 2.0, Air Scirocco 2.0, and Vario BigSlam. His looping was immediately much more consistent as the rubber had better control/spin than the other mentioned rubbers. The rubber is on the heavy side like the Tenergy rubbers, so I would recommend putting this on a lighter blade. This rubber was also very good at looping underspin. This was a breeze! Have only played 1 time with this, but was very impressed. Recommend playing with this on a light, OFF- to Off blade. You won't be disappointed with this rubber.

olvarox
05-29-2011, 07:05 PM
Yeah Stefano

That's the one review I found myself, but since it is written by (an honest) reseller, I'd like to have an independent review. I'm especially interested in the soft version, since I like soft rubbers better...

missylee
06-29-2011, 01:26 AM
hi guys

enjoy here

Michal_Z
06-29-2011, 09:33 AM
Unlucky, I didnt see this in shops in here yet..

Rhydian
06-29-2011, 10:31 PM
Well, I searched and searched and I found nothing :l
I'll look tomorrow again! Someone must play that rubber! and there must be information somewhere ^^

marcburman
06-30-2011, 01:27 PM
Well, I searched and searched and I found nothing :l
I'll look tomorrow again! Someone must play that rubber! and there must be information somewhere ^^


Does anyone know where you can buy this rubber from? I might buy a sheet and give it a try as its cheap. Tenergy is becomgin ridiculoulsy expensive, it is in danger of pricing itself out of the market, would love to find a cheaper alternative.

Steve23
06-30-2011, 01:39 PM
Found this rubber at ztabletennis.com for 28 usd a sheet

Michal_Z
07-01-2011, 11:14 AM
Yes I found that too, I am thinking about it.. But not sure if I should order hard or soft, really .. thinking.. :)
I have Andro Hexer + and I really dont know if they are hard or soft, hehe :)

Steve23
07-01-2011, 04:03 PM
Not sure myself but review says hexer+ is medium-soft sponge

nightwolf34
07-01-2011, 11:04 PM
Here in Panama there's a place where they sell giant dragon products, including TopEnergy but just that hard version for 30 US dollars, maybe later I can buy it and post a review of it

olvarox
07-02-2011, 08:28 AM
Here in Belgium you can buy it at killypong.be
(I'm sure shipping to other european countries should be no problem...)

YosuaYosan
07-02-2011, 09:52 AM
Here in Panama there's a place where they sell giant dragon products, including TopEnergy but just that hard version for 30 US dollars, maybe later I can buy it and post a review of it

Please do so. Everyone will be glad to know :)

Michal_Z
07-10-2011, 07:08 AM
Allright, I just ordered this..
Hard, black 2.2 mm ..
So in 2 weeks I should get it, then I will tell you guys how it works.. ;)

UsakoKirei
07-10-2011, 04:25 PM
do you boost this rubber before glueing ?

Rhydian
07-10-2011, 10:03 PM
Waiting for the review! :)
Michal_Z you're our savior ^^

olvarox
08-03-2011, 08:48 AM
Any news here?

zZTimoBollZz
08-03-2011, 08:58 AM
I think Tenergy Is great I don't think any rubber could top it.

Michal_Z
08-03-2011, 03:36 PM
News is that I got already this rubber on my paddle, but I still dont have it in my hands..
Now I have pingpong break, I will try it on my vacation with my GF, we go to a hotel where table tennis table is, so I will try it there a bit :)
I hope it will be good improvement for my forehand..
Unfortunately I will not be able to compare it to Tenergy, because I never played with them..

YosuaYosan
08-03-2011, 09:12 PM
Great to hear, Michal, please tell us how you feel about the rubber :)

UpSideDownCarl
08-04-2011, 03:30 AM
I just figured I would throw this out there. This is a quote from a description of the rubber:


"Our notes: This is a very tacky, chinese style rubber meant for powerful loop/attack."

That came from here: http://ztabletennis.com/zshop/rubber-giant-dragon-topenergy-soft

This is Tacky Chinese rubber. It will not feel anything like Tenergy. It might be good. It might be great. But, from the description of the rubber and the instructions, it looks it is a Chinese rubber with a speed glue effect.

YosuaYosan
08-04-2011, 09:00 AM
Nice find sir Carl.
The name resembles Tenergy but it seems it won't work even near..

Michal_Z
08-05-2011, 10:00 AM
Sooo, mine is black giant dragon TopEnergy hard version .. At least I hope so.. it is V1 on it.. and it is 2.2 mm .. which is bad surprise for me as I wanted 2.0 ..
Anyways, I didnt play it yet, but comparing with Andro Hexer + on the other side of the paddle,.. When I leave the ball to fall on the rubber, on Andro Hexer + it keeps jumping..
But on GD TE it jumps few times and then stays on it..

hmm..
Also when I throw the ball on it with an angle to get the spin.. and then leaving the ball to fall with an angle, expecting it to go directly up, it goes not..
But when I do the same with Andro Hexer + , the ball goes directly up..
So with this it seems it will not be that good..
I will find out more later, when I try to play with it..

YosuaYosan
08-05-2011, 03:30 PM
When I leave the ball to fall on the rubber, on Andro Hexer + it keeps jumping..
But on GD TE it jumps few times and then stays on it..


One of the chinese tacky rubber's characteristics..

Michal_Z
08-05-2011, 05:17 PM
Well, oki, I tryed to play it, but I must say that I only tryed..
I dont know why, but.. I couldnt just get used to it..
When I played a shot, no spin or topspin, all the time I had to aim high over the net to get the ball low over the net..
I had to generate big big power to get real good topspin shot, so I guess it is good just for chinese players who use full arm movement..
So for my style it was too slow and the jump from the bat was really low..
Only good thing where I find it ok was - when I was trying to play backhand topspin into short undercut serve.
There my backhand topspin worked really good, nearly perfect :) Even very short and low over the net backspin serve couldnt stop my backhand topspin over the table.
So I have no good feelings from this, I will try it a bit more, but if this continues, I will put on back my andro hexer powersponge and I will look for andro hexer + to play that rubber on both sides.
That is all I can say about it now ;)

JustAlt
08-09-2011, 03:34 PM
I think Tenergy Is great I don't think any rubber could top it.

Yeah, thats your opinion but for many there are better rubbers.
I used to play with tenergys when I didn't have own bat and I had to borrow one from a friend, but I just don't get what is so great about them.

UpSideDownCarl
08-10-2011, 09:19 AM
Yeah, thats your opinion but for many there are better rubbers.
I used to play with tenergys when I didn't have own bat and I had to borrow one from a friend, but I just don't get what is so great about them.

I think everyone plays so differently. Different rubbers work well for different people. Tenergy does something very well but it is not right for everybody. It is better for looping than for smashing. It is very good at grabbing the ball for looping underspin. But other rubbers might work better for some people for looping.

YosuaYosan
08-10-2011, 09:26 AM
I think everyone plays so differently. Different rubbers work well for different people. Tenergy does something very well but it is not right for everybody. It is better for looping than for smashing. It is very good at grabbing the ball for looping underspin. But other rubbers might work better for some people for looping.

Thats true, everyone should take a note to that..

And usually advanced begineers to intermediate players with unpolished basic technique could judge rubbers but the actual problem is their technique :D
Once the basic is acquired then everyone could develop their natural technique. Now that's the time to see whether one rubber could suit their style or not :)

DFC
10-19-2011, 09:06 AM
I play with Topenergy Soft & find it a great rubber. Its more of medium sponged, tacky, factory tuned rubber which produces great spins and speed. Unlike most tacky Chinese rubbers this one allows you to really attack the ball with fast powerful drives with incorporated spin. Its also very good for blocking, not usual for tacky rubbers, and great on touch play. Being tacky it also produces heavy spin serves. Its not Tenergy, but then its not £64.99 either, and being a tacky rubber fan I would rather play with this.

gwirthsipp
12-07-2019, 12:03 PM
Play Topenergy Soft (TE) over 10 years now. But not continuous during match seasons. I prefer OFF spinplay with FH and BH. Tested a lot of different rubbers (chinese, japanese, ESN). After changing to plastic ball I use TE as main rubber on backhand cause of my age I'm too slow now in mid distance and with TE I can create more spin and beeing more controllable comparable to ESN rubbers . So I stay now more close to the table using mainly BH for an aggressive 1st Topspin or punching spinshots when ball comes back. TE needs a very speedy arm and wrist move. Do that and you are able too surprise a lot of better ranked players. For lower or beginning mid class league TE works very well on BH.