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Played my gym teacher today. I'd played him before, in the past, so I knew what to expect. I demolished him 1st game, but he beat me 8 - 2 in sets afterwards.

He's a blocker with good touch who can redirect fast shots into wide angles easily and has very spinny short serves that force me to push them if I want consistency. I kept netting them with my flick until I adjusted it, so I opted to push short preferably. He also gave me some variance, and I had to deal with reading serves as long or short and pushing/looping/flicking them accordingly.

He played overall better than I did, and I found out A LOT of faults in my game that I can go about fixing, namely to do with footwork and recovery, but I'm very satisfied that I managed to play my looping game to it's current potential. I managed to perform consecutive loops while being moved from my backhand into my wide forehand and back into my backhand. Of course, I missed quite a bit, but at my normal level I should not be able to play as well as I did in the first place. I kept having huge recovery issues early on, but I made it better near the end. I still need to make my recovery faster and footwork more accurate and active.


Overall it was a good experience, and I don't even care about my results. All that matters is that I got some concrete examples of what I need to improve and why. My shot quality was sufficient, but my movement and recovery was not as good as I'd like. I know what I need to do, so I'll work on them.

Knowing what you need to do is important, in table tennis you learn from every result, win or lose.

Many a time I have won a match but have been disappointed with how I have played and have managed to find faults to work on. I guess one tip for success is to never be satisfied, you can always do better!

You seem to have grasped this mindset already :)
 
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To me it feels much better to get my ass handed to me but play to my maximum than to under-perform and win disappointingly. Most of my wins are very disappointing wins, and I don't really need to push myself that much. It's terrible.

I'm sure I would improve much faster if all the people I'd play were as good or better than today's opponent.
 
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The coach in this local club asked me to join the men category and play in the league, i told him i am not good and i don't have any training, he said doesn't matter, just play, get experience, and it may improve you playing games against different clubs players, not sure if i really accept or not.

I think the coach is quite right. IMHO you shouldn't think twice. What have you got to lose? You can only learn and improve. First few losses might hurt, but you'll get over that and adapt.
 
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Carl,

MX-P!!!! MY new fave!

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Archo,

I wrote this some time ago on a different thread...

To improve your game, play against ALL levels of players!

You play the higher-level players to find your Weaknesses. You play them to get a sense of how they go about setting up to play their Winning shots. You play them with your higher-percentage shots which generally should be returned by them, which forces you to up your Game/Skill from a one-shot to continue to be steady/rally.

You play lower-level players to work your Game, to work your higher-percentage shots be it serves or the Rambo FH loop, etc. You also play them to learn to probe/see Weaknesses in your partner's Game and learn to exploit them.

Last but not least, you play same-level-as-you players ... your peers/equals. This will provide feedback to see if your Game works. At times, as you play your equals, they may play like a higher-level player and at times they will play as lower-level players... this will give you feedback on what you are doing right or wrong and how to go about winning the point.

Play anyone regardless of level. But have a basic idea of their level and look to work different aspects of your Game accordingly.

HTH.
 
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Carl,

MX-P!!!! MY new fave!

And not the first time I've used MX-P. Ask Der why he started using MX-P. It was shortly after he tried my blade with MX-P on it. It is not the first time I've tried FX-P either. But it will be the first time it will be on my blade.

And I've decided that the Elder Wand will get the old Tenergys from whence they came. They still have some grab. So I will get a chance to bang the ball around with her a few times before I go back to Holly and Phoenix Feather.

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Highly skilled camera work. I did not even realize that that photo was so blurry till I posted it.

I'll save you guys the wait for the review of the blades with the rubber on. It will be pretty much like this when I hit with them:

Elder Wand is awesome, lethal and addictive. But Holly and Phoenix Feather still wins out because I am even more addicted to the feeling of Limba on Limba. [emoji2]


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Today i went to the training's hall at around 8 pm, having played outdoors before.
So i showed up and nobody was there... great... we added the Friday as a new training day, because people were complaining about too many people playing at the same time.

At first I was a bit bummed, but still decided to do service practice and some drills with the robot.

I recorded a simple forehand topspin drill to see how my technique has changed. I did the drill without thinking about technique, or trying to get it extra perfect.


Now my question is: Do i use too much shoulder on the stroke?
 
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So I was late from work to coaching my temp yesterday. When I got there, he was playing a friend of mine who I play with every once in a while who I would estimate at 1700 or so. My temp, to my surprise, beat him. While preparing to coach, my friend said that the biggest change in my temp's play since I started coaching him is that he is more consistent and able to play more than one shot. Since that was what I have been working on in his game, it was good to hear this from someone who plays him. It might mostly be playing against my rally ball quality that is helping him as opposed to any specific instruction, but I think that now that he can bring the ball back in the rallies at least once on defense (since we have worked extensively on blocking),he isn't as reluctant to rally as he used to be.

We worked on trying to incorporate more pieces into his loops, especially a relaxed wrist. The thing is that the more pieces there are to your loop, the easier it is to transfer power to racket flexibly with the wrist/elbow snap as the final piece. This is important because sometimes, you may not be able to predict well in advance where the ball will be consistently so you will need to hold back until you are fairly sure of where the ball will be and hit it then. Swinging at close to full power successfully is impossible if you don't always make good predictions about the spin, speed and position of the ball. While you get a less powerful stroke than going all out, you remain more consistent and can get a good spinny ball whose placement or movement might trouble your opponent.

After that, we worked on serving. I keep trying to get him to put max whip on his backspin serve. It's a process but I keep have to go back to square one - not sure why, other than that he doesn't see the value in practicing yet.

Then we worked on his looping the backspin ball with a relatively small stroke while waiting to attack the ball hard on the next shot. Sometimes, I would extend the rally beyond the next shot to make him play more shots. IT was funny sometimes when he would make an extremely spinny shot and think my block was going long and it would dip and land on the table. It was like a warning to him to stop premature celebration.

Then I fed him powerloop multiball so he could work on his blocking aggression and placement. We closed off with me serving and looping backspin to him so he could block or counter on the 4th ball.

While I was coaching, another individual approached me and asked for a lesson. I find how students respond to coaches and go about working with them interesting, probably because I worked mostly with the coach who had the best results in improving adult students in my club. While I can understand the demands for patience, I definitely would not spend forever working with a coach if I didn't see tangible improvements in my game that where taking it in the direction I desired. But I can also understand and see why many learners cannot see this.

The individual told me that he was working with another coach in the club. The first thing I explained to him was that I have a different approach to coaching vs. the coach he was used to, and that other coaches do have their subtleties. Minor differences in thought can become major when dealing with new players so I recommend that he work with the one coach who best suited his philosophy and temperament until he was good enough to seek coaching from multiple sources while selecting what he needed.

So the main thing he wanted me to show him was how to block topspin. Since this is a topic that I have taught a few times before, ever since it was taught to me remotely by Brett, I had an idea what the problem was and it fit the usual diagnosis - a person used to making lifting hits with open paddle angles struggling to block topspin when he hits up into the ball. I spent an hour trying to convince him that the lifting swings were unnecessary, trying to fix his counterhits and show him how it translated into a block. Only so much you can do in an hour but I did the best I could.

My knees have been bothering the heck out of me so I only played 4 games (not matches) and won them all a bit too easily against a friend/practice partner. I figured out a couple of tricks to make my sidespin serves bend even more (the main benefit of the practice that did not really help my elbow position) and for the U2000 crowd, it drives them nuts. The O2200 loopers tend to pivot and loop the ball inside out with consistency that makes my jaw drop. It gives me a small insight into what Brett means when he says that world class players pretty much restrict you mostly to serving shot unless you are willing to repeatedly play defense against the first topspin.

Will try to rest a bit but I may have to go in and coach on Saturday (watch the lower rated sections of the club tournament and see if any of my students are playing).
 
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Today i went to the training's hall at around 8 pm, having played outdoors before.
So i showed up and nobody was there... great... we added the Friday as a new training day, because people were complaining about too many people playing at the same time.

At first I was a bit bummed, but still decided to do service practice and some drills with the robot.

I recorded a simple forehand topspin drill to see how my technique has changed. I did the drill without thinking about technique, or trying to get it extra perfect.


Now my question is: Do i use too much shoulder on the stroke?


The form looks good but something tells me that your arm is still a bit too stiff when swinging and that your grip is too tight.

EDIT: The thing about swinging from the shoulder is that it is really more about how much power you transfer from your body into the stroke. IF your loop feels like you are doing a punch with your whole body, you are not swinging from the shoulder. If it doesn't, you likely are.
 
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How long you usually put your racket in the clicky press when you just glued some new rubbers?

Another question, when you removed the Tenergy rubbers from the Virtuoso +blade, were they curled? As you might have read, I have to reglue my Rakza 7 soft rubber, but it is curled quite a bit. So much tension isn't desirable to stick the rubber to the blade I'd say.

You could give me some information if it is possible to flatten the rubber a bit without applying booster or something like that?

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Highly skilled camera work. I did not even realize that that photo was so blurry till I posted it.

I'll save you guys the wait for the review of the blades with the rubber on. It will be pretty much like this when I hit with them:

Elder Wand is awesome, lethal and addictive. But Holly and Phoenix Feather still wins out because I am even more addicted to the feeling of Limba on Limba. [emoji2]


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Back with a post after quite a long time. After the last tournament I've been on a bad streak in trainings - feeling of the ball was close to zero, and my hand was feeling like spaghetti.

Today felt a little more like on the good path. First I hit with a higher skilled player, he's the father of one of my former training partners. What is cool is that he doesn't avoid hitting with me, he even calls me to practice when he's not playing and allows me to loop and improve my consistency. When I get a little tired, he starts looping and I can improve my blocks. In short, it's a pleasure to play him. After we did all the looping/blocking, we played a match, and I got swept 0-3, but my game was decent. After that he had to play another higher level player. Thanked him for the game and watched a little of how he played further.

Then hit with a lower level guy who was preparing to have a training session. Used the opportunity to practice my reverse pendulum serve.

Then played a match against my chinese friend and again got swept 0-3. My game was way worse here. Got overplayed badly in the short game, which is not quite usual for me. After that I went to do some footwork exercises near the table. Exercises done, now some serve practice. In the end played another match with a man we are usually pretty close in matches and lost 1-3.

But still it wasn't a bad day. I finally felt I'm getting out of the hole I've recently been in.

P.S. A side note for OSP : as a proof that my last tournament wasn't fantastic, my ranking actually fell to 102nd.
 
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Carl, I used a test sample of MX-P 1 month before it hit market.

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I remember you telling me that. And I also remember, quite a while later you were still using Aurus which is also a pretty good rubber.

And I thought I remembered you saying that hitting with my blade with MX-P and the control of it, pushed you in the direction of revisiting MX-P. I know that not too long after that you were using MX-P.

But, hey, I could be remembering incorrectly. It wouldn't be the first time. [emoji2]

[Edit: Oh, wait, I think I remember. It was that you didn't like MX-P on soft flexible all wood blades till you tried it on mine.]


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How long you usually put your racket in the clicky press when you just glued some new rubbers?

Another question, when you removed the Tenergy rubbers from the Virtuoso +blade, were they curled? As you might have read, I have to reglue my Rakza 7 soft rubber, but it is curled quite a bit. So much tension isn't desirable to stick the rubber to the blade I'd say.

You could give me some information if it is possible to flatten the rubber a bit without applying booster or something like that?

You have a clicky press? :D

I usually put it under a heavy book and let it stay there for about half an hour.
The curling is because the preboosting effect has wore off. Meaning you either have to reboost the rubber or live with it. Streching the rubber onto the blade does not seem to be a good solution to me.
 
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some inspirational story now. I played laegue matches last weekend.

1st match:
I won 1st set quite easly (11:4). I relaxed too much and lost (9:11) next set. I decided to stay focused untill I win this match. Won 3rd set (11:6) and had 10:6 in 4th set. Then the funny part started. I missed 2 serves (should say here that my best shots are serves, fh counters and loops) and lost the 4th game 11:13. In 5th game my opponent started with 3 edge balls and 1 net in first 5 points. I bounced back and won 11:8

2nd match:
This time my opponent was much stronger. He played in 1st league some years (and kilograms ago). Lost 1st set 7:11 and had no idea how to counter his strategy. He just served "jumping" serve (witj top spin) to my bh 80% time and sometimes mixed the underspin. My bh is pretty weak, so I couldn't just attack even tho it was long serve. When I made lukewarm return he was just finishing with 3d ball. (sometiems I could block it, back off the table and win from 2nd-3rd zone). I won 2nd set 11:5 and I don't really remember how I did taht. He probably just lost focused, missed some easy shots.

Here the main part begins: In 3rd set I was losing 5:10 and managed to win 13:11. In 4th set I was winning 10:7, but he made it to 10:11. I made it to 12:11 and then I decided to risk pretty hard on my receive. I was expecting long top spin serve and decided to hit it as hard as I could with my bh. It went into the table, but.... he countered it down the line with his bh, I mean with EDGE of his racket. Somehow I won that set 14:12 and match 3:1

3rd match I was playing when the team score was 7:6 for us and it was the last match. Opponent was a defender with long pips on bh, but luckly I won that pretty easly (11:6,11:4,11:3).

tl;dr:
come backs are real ! Had I lost the set where I was 5:10 down it would probably be the end of that match.
stay focused till the end. Was 10:6 up and lost the set. Opponent started 5th set with many lucky shots and easy game could be lost.

btw: Sadly, still didn't find my main weapon and played every match with something else. Results show that equipment doesn't play, but hey, who doesn't want to play with blade that just feels right! Primorac Ex and Clipper are good enough, but christmams are coming and if layer zlf is coming, so they will have the last rival.

edit: also played double, but with no history and lost 1:3
 
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How long you usually put your racket in the clicky press when you just glued some new rubbers?

Another question, when you removed the Tenergy rubbers from the Virtuoso +blade, were they curled? As you might have read, I have to reglue my Rakza 7 soft rubber, but it is curled quite a bit. So much tension isn't desirable to stick the rubber to the blade I'd say.

You could give me some information if it is possible to flatten the rubber a bit without applying booster or something like that?

A dome like when boosting or reverse dome like opposite of boosting?

I don't think that has to do with the blade.


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The form looks good but something tells me that your arm is still a bit too stiff when swinging and that your grip is too tight.

EDIT: The thing about swinging from the shoulder is that it is really more about how much power you transfer from your body into the stroke. IF your loop feels like you are doing a punch with your whole body, you are not swinging from the shoulder. If it doesn't, you likely are.

So, Boogar, I figured out what I was looking for and I sent you the TTEdge video on it if you are still a member. You are straightening the arm too early on most of the strokes so I am not seeing good whip at the end of backswing. The end of your backswing should not feel like you just straightened the arm, though that is not terrible and your stroke is good. It should feel more like you just threw something behind you on just about every whip pattern, including serves. The throwing should begin when the ball is relatively close and not feel robotic - should be like a wave/whip ;). That way you can time a variety of balls pretty well and get that last bit of power to hit the ball when you are not able to time a big stroke.

 
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