Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Der_Echte]

:28 and 1:44 were the only FH strokes I saw the first two minutes, some of that was opponent, but in two minutes Arch can shows us more than two decent strokes. The rest of the time he was very awkward trying to hit a slow ball for newbie opponent. That is a challenge for playing with newbs.

The angle is better to see Archos whole stroke, even if the camera man was vibrating the phone like he was giving child birth. That is OK by the way, I need to give birth to my ALIEN BABY one anyway. I would need to see more of the table in the vid for his serve segment to see placement, angles and spin.

 

[Archosaurus]

:28 and 1:44 were the only FH strokes I saw the first two minutes, some of that was opponent, but in two minutes Arch can shows us more than two decent strokes.

What do you mean with this? Do you expect more decent shots in two minutes?

In the 2nd part, there is a few forehands around 20sec onward. Those are probably my most standard and consistent "weak forehand" that I can produce.

 

[Shuki]

The cocked wrist nonsense. Tried to fix four countless hours. NL actually sent me a video once helping tremendously. But that in itself is something I cannot fix, if I hold the paddle "correctly" for an extended period of time, my wrist aches like a mug. I supposed my grip is why I'm doing so much backhand play and forehand flicks being an issue, but more likely it's what NL said, not being in place for the stroke. I'm working on the best of 7 upload to show off my opponents skill and my lack of it where I get pooped on.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

@Shuki
i saw your video.

Your BH is much better than your FH.

I think the 3 main reasons are
1- the grip , i'm not 100% sure but it looks on the video you put often your middle finger in the middle of the racket, thats good for BH but not good for FH
2- it goes together with your weakness that is your footwork. Good FH is about having good legs, going down more, be in place quickly, pushing with your legs. It helps of course as well for BH, but you have also good touch with your BH and a better balance there. The one very good FH i see you do at 12:23 i think is when you pivot and totally commit to the shot.
3- your upper body must be kept lower, you are tall. you are ok when receiving serve and after serving but after a few shots, your upper body becomes higher, you miss a few FH because of that.

Apart from that, i think your serves were often quite good. Given your grip i was surprised how good your control was in FH soft shots but i doubt you can put a lot of spin this way. on FH drive, be careful with the market angle. I think the ball is often a bit too high with too much arch, thats also got to do with your upper body I believe.

For the match itself, I felt you were much more consistent than your opponent, and that he wasn't really a danger.

 

[NextLevel]

The cocked wrist nonsense. Tried to fix four countless hours. NL actually sent me a video once helping tremendously. But that in itself is something I cannot fix, if I hold the paddle "correctly" for an extended period of time, my wrist aches like a mug. I supposed my grip is why I'm doing so much backhand play and forehand flicks being an issue, but more likely it's what NL said, not being in place for the stroke. I'm working on the best of 7 upload to show off my opponents skill and my lack of it where I get pooped on.

The factors all contribute. In TT, many things go into a powerful shot and when you lose something from somewhere, you have to make it up elsewhere. IF you have a grip that doesn't let you move the wrist back and forth on both sides , it means you will have issues with hitting with pace with a small motion. FH flick is really a pace and control shot - very little spin for control - the spin is mostly to stabilize the rotation and not to mess up the opponent - high spin forehand flicks cannot be played at the highest level. If you don't have a solid back and forth counterhit with wavy wrist, it is hard to do.

The grip will also make the positioning of your body to hit the ball down the line a bit harder.

If the grip is troubling you that much, you need to get stronger wrists, lighter rubbers or put some more balance in the handle. You could also get a blade with a smaller head.

 

[NextLevel]

Today was a very underwhelming day, but I still went out of my way to get some video recorded. We couldn't find a way to send the video recorded on another person's phone anywhere, at least without wasting a lot of time, so I just charged my empty phone and filmed on it.

I don't know if anything has improved, but say anything that comes to mind. Preferably about my strokes: are they going in a better or worse direction?

Excuse the cameraman and opponent ****ing around, it was a pretty casual session as is evident.

Is this angle better?
@UpSideDownCarl
@NextLevel
@Der_Echte
@Shuki
@ttmonster

Whoever else I forgot, sorry.

Angle is better, but I really can't evaluate strokes seriously when people are messing around and I have no idea of what you are trying to achieve. Some strokes are good in form when you turn the forearm inwards. But I can't see any evidence of a whippy stroke to get heavy rotation, but that is just my style and if you are messing around, you probably aren't trying to do that either.

But take comfort in that there is some good stuff in there. Whether it translates to ball quality or you are trying to make it do so, I cannot tell from the video.

Usually, if I want to evaluate form, I need to see multiball or straight loop to block with focus on power, consistency or spin. It is easy to confuse issues when people are tracking the ball all over the place, dealing with variable quality blocking etc.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

OK Shuki, I stand by 9 points handicap that I'll request if we ever play!

Archo, I'll ask for 3 points handicap!

 

[RajaLoopah]

If I ever play with TTDaily members I would request 7 points handicap against everyone lol

 

[Shuki]

@Shuki
i saw your video.

Your BH is much better than your FH.

I think the 3 main reasons are
1- the grip , i'm not 100% sure but it looks on the video you put often your middle finger in the middle of the racket, thats good for BH but not good for FH
2- it goes together with your weakness that is your footwork. Good FH is about having good legs, going down more, be in place quickly, pushing with your legs. It helps of course as well for BH, but you have also good touch with your BH and a better balance there. The one very good FH i see you do at 12:23 i think is when you pivot and totally commit to the shot.
3- your upper body must be kept lower, you are tall. you are ok when receiving serve and after serving but after a few shots, your upper body becomes higher, you miss a few FH because of that.

Apart from that, i think your serves were often quite good. Given your grip i was surprised how good your control was in FH soft shots but i doubt you can put a lot of spin this way. on FH drive, be careful with the market angle. I think the ball is often a bit too high with too much arch, thats also got to do with your upper body I believe.

For the match itself, I felt you were much more consistent than your opponent, and that he wasn't really a danger.

some of your comments feel just incorrect to me but I'm biased because I like myself. look at point 10:45, my opponent does his strongest attack, VERY little "going down" on his forehand. and the point you referenced that I made at 12:23, this is the first time I served heavy underspin the entire match I believe. making the attack easier. although it felt good at the time, looking at it in video I'm disgusted with my form. I hate the way I crossed my body.

I also want to throw in that my opponent doesn't use much spin in his attacks, serves, chops, anything really. there may be a lack of adjustment on my part for this, which sends a lot of balls higher than I'd like. My opponent wins 50% of our matches, I think he was playing poorly or working on something.

 

[Archosaurus]

@NextLevel

What do you mean with "turn the forearm inwards"? Could you point out a timestamp from one of the videos, for me?

I see your point. I can understand it myself: I just can't play properly against someone who is 3 - 4 levels lower than me. I don't really know how I can solve this apart from just finding better players who can block me off the table.

I'm not really aiming for the highest quality in my shots in the video, but I'm trying to at least move to the ball well and try to do the form correctly. Especially when I'm doing slow strokes like this which are a bit off timing. I have issues with even contacting the ball well sometimes so I want to be able to loop slowly and with relatively low spin, but very consistently.

@OldSchoolpenholder

I don't think it'd be you who needs any handicap points.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

@OldSchoolpenholder

I don't think it'd be you who needs any handicap points.

I stand by the 3 pts handicap I requested... you are lucky I'm not asking for 9 ;-)

 

[Shuki]

OK Shuki, I stand by 9 points handicap that I'll request if we ever play!

Archo, I'll ask for 3 points handicap!

nah, serve short to my forehand mixed with long to my anywhere and you'll have me off balance. I'll backhand flick serves that are short 3/4 the rest of the table. But short to my forehand you can guarantee it wont be an aggressive return. Watch me before you serve, I adjust my stance and positioning based on what I'm struggling with from you.

Plus penholders are assholes (I struggle with them), the only ones I can play are one thats 1500 level, and 6 that are 2000-2200. No experience on any around my level, and each one of them plays a completely different game. I LOVE when strong players come to our club and face our penhold diversity. We have such strange players, none of which play it "right"

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

nah, serve short to my forehand mixed with long to my anywhere and you'll have me off balance. I'll backhand flick serves that are short 3/4 the rest of the table. But short to my forehand you can guarantee it wont be an aggressive return. Watch me before you serve, I adjust my stance and positioning based on what I'm struggling with from you.

Plus penholders are assholes (I struggle with them), the only ones I can play are one thats 1500 level, and 6 that are 2000-2200. No experience on any around my level, and each one of them plays a completely different game. I LOVE when strong players come to our club and face our penhold diversity. We have such strange players, none of which play it "right"

LOL--u r da bestest Bro!

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

The cocked wrist nonsense. Tried to fix four countless hours. NL actually sent me a video once helping tremendously. But that in itself is something I cannot fix, if I hold the paddle "correctly" for an extended period of time, my wrist aches like a mug. I supposed my grip is why I'm doing so much backhand play and forehand flicks being an issue, but more likely it's what NL said, not being in place for the stroke. I'm working on the best of 7 upload to show off my opponents skill and my lack of it where I get pooped on.

I wasn't saying correct or incorrect grip. I was talking about being able to adjust the grip shot by shot. But I have not looked at the footage. But I trust NL if he says that you are adjusting the grip. Then the rest is what NL said which is, conspicuously, most of what Mark got me to do.

The other thing he showed me was a very small, direct movement straight forward from right behind the ball with a stable wrist.

I was using too much wrist.

But, since I have not looked at the video, I actually don't know what you need. I just know what helped my FH flip. Still have lots of work to make it comfortable.


Sent from the Subterranean Workshop by Telepathy

 

[NextLevel]

What do you mean with this? Do you expect more decent shots in two minutes?

In the 2nd part, there is a few forehands around 20sec onward. Those are probably my most standard and consistent "weak forehand" that I can produce.

They are the strokes DerEchte noted, you just finished shallow when you should have spun higher.

 

[NextLevel]

some of your comments feel just incorrect to me but I'm biased because I like myself. look at point 10:45, my opponent does his strongest attack, VERY little "going down" on his forehand. and the point you referenced that I made at 12:23, this is the first time I served heavy underspin the entire match I believe. making the attack easier. although it felt good at the time, looking at it in video I'm disgusted with my form. I hate the way I crossed my body.

I also want to throw in that my opponent doesn't use much spin in his attacks, serves, chops, anything really. there may be a lack of adjustment on my part for this, which sends a lot of balls higher than I'd like. My opponent wins 50% of our matches, I think he was playing poorly or working on something.

Try to get some more core/shoulder rotation on all your forehand shots though. There is a big difference when you do it and when you don't - its obvious and easy to do it on the big shots, but on some of the smaller spin ups, it's not there and that's why they don't have the same level of power.

 

[Archosaurus]

@NextLevel

You want me to finish higher on these?

http://imgur.com/a/Ldq4G

1 and 3 are where I consider the strokes to end, 2 and 4 are the point on where my stroke "really" ends, because I have a lag before I actually reset.

if I understood you right, you want 1 and 3 to end higher, and they're shallow?

 

[Shuki]

arch, is that the table you usually play on? ball bounces pretty high when topspin hits it.

 

[Archosaurus]

arch, is that the table you usually play on? ball bounces pretty high when topspin hits it.

Yes, it is. The table is a decent table, but I think it's heavily worn from years of use.

I don't think I'm generating that much topspin to begin with that would lower the bounce.

 

[NextLevel]

@NextLevel

You want me to finish higher on these?

http://imgur.com/a/Ldq4G

1 and 3 are where I consider the strokes to end, 2 and 4 are the point on where my stroke "really" ends, because I have a lag before I actually reset.

if I understood you right, you want 1 and 3 to end higher, and they're shallow?

Those are not the shots DerEchte referenced. His times may have been off but use your thinking cap.