Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Archosaurus]

@UpSideDownCarl

When looking at the Killerspin reference video, and mine, I noticed that in the Killerspin version, he slices in a slight arc under the ball. I go mostly straight at it and bang into it a bit.

Maybe part of it is the rubber, but I'm somewhat sure 90% is my contact. However I didn't notice that before about the Killerspin video, so maybe I am improving. I'll keep at it.

I've been working on incorporating some whip into my shots. This is what my shadows look like right now. I think I have quite a bit less in actual strokes.

However before I start ingraining this, how is it? It's slightly uncomfortable compared to no whip, but somehow I think that's normal.

Edit:

I did some more shadows, and I remembered that it at least feels like I get more whip with penhold. Here is a comparison.

It looks like I get more whip with shakehand, but my wrist is at a very strange angle. Is that okay? It doesn't feel uncomfortable, in fact.

 

[Flatstyk]

[The third and best one:

youtu.be/do7hAUYnWPo?t=388[/QUOTE]


NL, I really enjoyed watching the remainder of this match with Liu. I found interest in comparing how you both have devastatingly impressive forehands, yours perhaps more so, but his was deceptive in how compact he could keep it and still hit a screamer. As a penholder myself, watching this level feels more instructive than trying to glean anything from Xu Xin, for example, where disguise is so good it is hard to assimilate what the player is doing. Thanks for posting your matches!

 

[ttmonster]

I have to agree, NLs opponent is very quick and some of it has with reading the ball very early, at least that's what I felt , he was surprisingly still and balanced when hitting most of his shots ...

[The third and best one:

youtu.be/do7hAUYnWPo?t=388

NL, I really enjoyed watching the remainder of this match with Liu. I found interest in comparing how you both have devastatingly impressive forehands, yours perhaps more so, but his was deceptive in how compact he could keep it and still hit a screamer. As a penholder myself, watching this level feels more instructive than trying to glean anything from Xu Xin, for example, where disguise is so good it is hard to assimilate what the player is doing. Thanks for posting your matches![/QUOTE]

 

[NextLevel]

NL, I really enjoyed watching the remainder of this match with Liu. I found interest in comparing how you both have devastatingly impressive forehands, yours perhaps more so, but his was deceptive in how compact he could keep it and still hit a screamer. As a penholder myself, watching this level feels more instructive than trying to glean anything from Xu Xin, for example, where disguise is so good it is hard to assimilate what the player is doing. Thanks for posting your matches!

Thanks for the kind words. He uses pips for most of his attacking strokes, so that is why the strokes are so short (flat hits with wrists not topspins) - I would do something similar if I used pips too. I have no problem accepting his forehand is better than mine at the moment and he really played well today because even if I missed a bit, I felt I Was playing well too. He had lost to everyone else so he didn't want to go out without winning. My backhand is actually my moneymaker and why I stand a chance against most players, but pips players do force me to play more forehands than I usually do as the ball is too variable to track consistently with a backhand.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

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Thanks for the kind words. He uses pips for most of his attacking strokes, so that is why the strokes are so short (flat hits with wrists not topspins) - I would do something similar if I used pips too.

i recall watching a previous match between the 2 of you (on a side table with a wall on one side) and he seemed to have nothing that match outside of 2 BH smashes which caught my eye.

Props and Respect to the both of you!

 

[NextLevel]

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i recall watching a previous match between the 2 of you (on a side table with a wall on one side) and he seemed to have nothing that match outside of 2 BH smashes which caught my eye.

Props and Respect to the both of you!

He has just taken Big M to 5 games before he played me, so trust me, his game was now sharp and ready for action. He lost his first match 1-3 to the lowest player in our group. Sometimes, you need to play the right kind of player to get your blood flowing so people can see your real game.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

He has just taken Big M to 5 games before he played me, so trust me, his game was now sharp and ready for action. He lost his first match 1-3 to the lowest player in our group. Sometimes, you need to play the right kind of player to get your blood flowing so people can see your real game.

Ah wow, very cool for X Liu!

INTENSE!! ~14:50 - 15:01

 

[Suga D]

RE: knowing your strengths/weaknesses

I start with a famous quote by Sun Tzu:

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Sorry for taking this out of the context, but i just wanted to give you some propz for this. Thanks for sharing this pound of ancient wisdom.
Excellent!!

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You all a chatty bunch! LOL -- thank you TTD CCers!

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[Emoji23]
This has actually made my day. I haven't heard this in decades.

Thanks for bringing back childhood memories. IIRC one of my teachers used to say this to the girls, when he stepped into the classroom and they wouldn't stop talking [which i am pretty sure of, that it must be some kind of genetic dysfunction.
*Lulz*]
[Emoji12]

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

sorry for taking this out of the context, but i just wanted to give you some propz for this. Thanks for sharing this pound of ancient wisdom.
Excellent!!



Hahahaaa
[emoji23]
this has actually made my day. I haven't heard this in decades.

Thanks for bringing back childhood memories. Iirc one of my teachers used to say this to the girls, when he stepped into the classroom and they wouldn't stop talking [which i am pretty sure of, that it must be some kind of genetic dysfunction.
*lulz*]
[emoji12]

lolol

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

NextLevel,

Sir,

MONSTER shot! ~2:35-2:41

side note: interesting serve motion - ~2:35-2:37

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I've been working on incorporating some whip into my shots. This is what my shadows look like right now. I think I have quite a bit less in actual strokes.

However before I start ingraining this, how is it? It's slightly uncomfortable compared to no whip, but somehow I think that's normal.

Not worth looking at the Penhold version. Sorry, but....

This one looks like your followthrough ends below your shoulder and to the left of your shoulder. So for a moment I thought you might be imitating Siva. But of course your camera skillz have determined that we can see this followthrough for sure and are really seeing it from behind you.

Probably the followthrough is like that because you are trying too hard. But since your legs and head are not in the video and most of what can be seen is your back, I don't want to say much more than that you are swinging too hard.

You should question for yourself if you want that much of a hook in your grip.


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[Archosaurus]

@UpSideDownCarl

My followthrough is fine for all I know, and it ends above my eye level. My arm just drops back down to reset.

That's not what I want pointers on. What I care about is if something like this in terms of whipping movement is technically correct in the first place, or if it will injure me in the long run for example. It doesn't feel bad, but I'm not an expert.

 

[Shuki]

@UpSideDownCarl

My followthrough is fine for all I know, and it ends above my eye level. My arm just drops back down to reset.

Suckit carl, don't give advice unless it's the advice he wants to hear

I agree with carl about the followthrough being to high and past your face. if you're doing it wrong in shadow strokes then you know damn well there's problems with it naturally. My guess is you cross your face because you've adapted to not getting enough of your paddle going through the ball through turning your hips that you've compensated somewhere else.

If all you're wondering is if your whip mechanics are correct, ask yourself if you feel like a bear.

 

[Archosaurus]

Suckit carl, don't give advice unless it's the advice he wants to hear

I agree with carl about the followthrough being to high and past your face. if you're doing it wrong in shadow strokes then you know damn well there's problems with it naturally. My guess is you cross your face because you've adapted to not getting enough of your paddle going through the ball through turning your hips that you've compensated somewhere else.

If all you're wondering is if your whip mechanics are correct, ask yourself if you feel like a bear.

Actually, it's not like that. I just wasn't seeing it.

I took 20 or so takes now from different angles and I see it.

I'm gonna need to seriously rework my forehand based on this. For one I am far too sideways for what my arm is doing.

 

[NextLevel]

Suckit carl, don't give advice unless it's the advice he wants to hear

I agree with carl about the followthrough being to high and past your face. if you're doing it wrong in shadow strokes then you know damn well there's problems with it naturally. My guess is you cross your face because you've adapted to not getting enough of your paddle going through the ball through turning your hips that you've compensated somewhere else.

If all you're wondering is if your whip mechanics are correct, ask yourself if you feel like a bear.

 

[Archosaurus]

I felt that something was terribly off in my power delivery, but now it's clearer. Of course everything else is a bit screwed up as well.

What's weird is that my game strokes in the last game video I posted appear better than my shadow strokes. It could just be the angle though. I'm not gonna go and claim that I can swing at the ball better if I have a ball there: even I wouldn't buy that.

This is very good. There's more potential to be harnessed.

Shuki mentioned not driving with my hips, Der_Echte mentioned engaging the arm too soon. How exactly would I go about trying to fix that?

 

[Garrison]

Had about 2 hours of practise today. Started off with about 20 minutes of serve practise. Reverse pendulum serve should be consistent enough soonish to start using it in matchplay. (I have never put too much of effort into my serves since I wanted to beat my opponents in the rallies but I realized how important the serve and return game in tt really is).


First match was against quite a good left handed player who I usually struggle to play against. Main reason is that I have troubles with his semi long sidespin serves into my FH which is difficult for me to flip over the table so I end up pushing the ball long for easy attacks.
Lacked a bit of concentration today which made me throw a 9 5 lead in 5th set <.< (Blaming that on my slight cold and running nose ) I try too hard to play FZD style counters instead of focusing on controlling the block which loses me some points here and there.

Next up was pips player that I play a lot against since he trains about as much as I do. We probably played around 3-4 games since the hall was not very crowded (we had club championship on weekend and first half of the season is over so I guess a lot of people take a break from training).

On monday I actually had troubles against him, my topspins were unstable, some landed in the net and others were way too much so I ended up with safety loops instead of using my power. Played with another chopper that day who had very different spin which only made it worse, I started questioning my equipment and wether I made a bad choice.

However today it was the complete opposite. I had no troubles at all, from the first chops he made I already knew I can loop everything. He could chop 3 times, 4 or 5 it didn't matter, I was in complete control which made me feel very confident going forward. We played like 10 sets of which I lost 1 because I played around too much.

Also for the first time today I really tried out standing more in the middle of the table like Calderano and Dima do rather than deep in the backhand and this makes it so much easier for me.

Tournament coming up on sunday so I hope my cold is over until then.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

What's weird is that my game strokes in the last game video I posted appear better than my shadow strokes.

Not so weird. Game strokes really would have to work on it hard to be as bad. Sometimes a coach or someone like Der will say something about strokes with 60% effort for a player to develop control. Those are about 160% effort. And very inefficient.

In most sports efficiency is paramount. Those shadow strokes have way more wasted effort than you could get away with at the table. As inefficient as possible. Whip and efficient should actually be connected: less effort--more speed.

But, to me, it makes sense since you are trying to learn things through the internet and through that intellectualizing brain and theoretical minded disposition. That won't be easy to get around your brain and into your body.

Shuki mentioned not driving with my hips, Der_Echte mentioned engaging the arm too soon. How exactly would I go about trying to fix that?

For playing with yourself in the dark, you may be doing an okay job of it. It sounds to me like something that should be grooved at the table with someone who knows how to train. But if you cut out the cognitive processing and practice shadow strokes in front of a mirror it may actually help. Just put the brain on auto pilot/cruise control so it stops interfering with the process and making everything worse.



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[UpSideDownCarl]

Somehow, something made me think of this:

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[Shuki]

brain on drugs is less likely to make me sick!