Difference between rubbers

[yoass]

Second example where red sheet is much softer and so much that it actually curls up (reverse dome) and it is a problem to reglue it would be Xiom Vega Pro.
My experiences are with 2.0 and max thickness rubbers, mostly max, I dont know if it applies to thinner sponge rubbers.

I actually play with Vega Pro in both colours presently, at 1.8mm thickness. I wouldn't say the red is much softer. Contrarily, if a benevolent deity would somehow manage to make the inlay in my Treiber K's handle disappear I don't think I would feel the difference anymore.

As is, I'm using the black on FH, but that's because when I ordered it the red was glued on "the FH side", which is to say, the side of the bat that has the inlay. Me, however, I prefer the feel of smooth wood and have gotten acustomed to reversing things.

Even on this forum, near my avatar, I suspect the topmost racket cover shown is the FH side - and it's always shown in red. Although, reading that post before, there actually is a prevalence of black there.

With Carl here, by the way. With modern chemistry and production techniques (including QA) a structural inability to create blacks and reds on an equal footing would seem surprisingly incompetent. Except maybe when done with intention, to match a difference in customer expectation.

 

[Suga D]

Well, for DHS rubbers i'm not so sure, if the characteristics of the two colours really make so much of a difference or if it's not just another amazing placebo bubble.
What i do know is, that the red coloured Hurricane3neo (and non-neo) don't come with a blue sponge.
I was told that the red colour is just too transparent and allows the blue sponge to shine through, which could 'cause problems with their ITTF license since the rules say it has to be shiny red!


In fact, from my information Donic was the first company to make a red rubber with a blue sponge in their first Bluefire series. So it seems they [ESN] have found a way to make the red colour less transparent.

So Airoc probably isn't so far off, that this kind of thinking is pretty much outdated. As a kid i was told samewise, and my old red Srivers and red Magic Carbons really were faster than their black dyed equivalent, but nowadays my red H3 doesn't feel so different to the black one.

But as i keep on thinking:
In our league is a chopper that uses the H3neo in red on his fh side and when he saw my fh rubber he instantly started envying and wanted a blue sponged one as well.

 

[Archosaurus]

@yoass

Now that's an interesting idea: manufacturers purposely producing different red and black sheets to reinforce this red vs black idea.

I find it hard to believe how exactly it would boost sales in reality, but it is an interesting thought.

 

[BeGo]

@yoass

Now that's an interesting idea: manufacturers purposely producing different red and black sheets to reinforce this red vs black idea.

I find it hard to believe how exactly it would boost sales in reality, but it is an interesting thought.

When manuf do this,

They should state in the product description. Some do this.

 

[ttpshot]

Yasaka used to sell a rubber called "Black Power" which claimed to be just as fast as other colored rubbers, so as everyone else said, black dye was slowing down the rubber.

I haven't seen researches that concludes color of the rubber affects the spin/speed so until then I'll go with the manufacturer's claim that it doesn't really matter.

 

[jamesmith]

I liked Chinese rubber a lot but they are too heavy , after playing for a long time , almost 35 yrs , now I changed to use Tihbar MX-S , I found they are not as good as Chinese 729 but they are a lot lighter and easy for attack

 

[yogi_bear]

with a few exceptions like the sanwei national target rubber. the red topsheet is more sticky than the black topsheet.

 

[Archosaurus]

with a few exceptions like the sanwei national target rubber. the red topsheet is more sticky than the black topsheet.

And why would this be?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

okokokokok, there is no differences

just like 40.5 and 41 deg sponge is no differences
99.9% of the people in the world will see no differences

 

[Archosaurus]

okokokokok, there is no differences

just like 40.5 and 41 deg sponge is no differences
99.9% of the people in the world will see no differences

If you can provide a real reason as to why the difference is due to the dye color, I will listen.

Saying "The red rubbers are less spinny than the black ones" can easily be true: if the red ones have water on them, some kind of unwanted material, are more worn due to sitting longer on the shelf, have poorer quality control etc.

And I remind you that even pros can fool themselves into placebo if they really believe something is as they believe it is. Race car drivers do it all the time with car setups: why can't table tennis players?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

If you can provide a real reason as to why the difference is due to the dye color, I will listen.

Saying "The red rubbers are less spinny than the black ones" can easily be true: if the red ones have water on them, some kind of unwanted material, are more worn due to sitting longer on the shelf, have poorer quality control etc.

And I remind you that even pros can fool themselves into placebo if they really believe something is as they believe it is. Race car drivers do it all the time with car setups: why can't table tennis players?

On mytt.net (go search there) there was someone who did a detail explanation few years ago

but anyways, I am just a placebo
my mentors too
my friends too
even world top 20s too

 

[Suga D]

Easy guys.

I first wanted to write that maybe this was true for Hurricane (non-neo) rubbers, but after having thought about this for a minute something came to my mind:

The grippiest and tackiest rubber i've ever owned was the eggplant coloured PF4 and eggplant coloured Friendship 729.
From my feeling both felt more tacky than their black counterparts, but when both companies had to give up their eggplant coloured rubbers due to the two-coloured rule change in the early eighties, they had to produce shiny red rubbers instead. And the shiny red was definitely a downgrade and wasn't as good as the black and the eggplant ones.
My eggplant coloured Friendship 729 still can lift a ball and hold it for a few seconds!
AFTER MORE THAN 30 YEARS!!!!
Evidence? Look up the thread "Share your racket's Photo"

If i recall correctly, TTD member YOASS also has an old eggplant coloured 729 that is able to do this ball lifting magic.
[Emoji6]

But all this being said: i'm quite sure this is pretty much outdated.
Knowledge grows, science evolves.
The R&D departments would really do an awful bad job if they weren't able to have solved this issue long time ago.
Neither my ESN rubbers nor my tenergies are showing these differences...
....and actually my H3NEO topsheets feel quite a bit different than the H3(non-neo) topsheets do, so could be that also the R&D department of DHS is progressing as well.
Maybe let these words sink in and think about this for a minute!

I probably wouldn't say so, if there were official statements from the companies about this, but there are non!!
[Emoji12]

Just a thought!

 

[yogi_bear]

And why would this be?

I don't know why it is one of the few Chinese rubbers which has a different characteristic compared to the usual black is tackier and spinnier than the red one.

 

[yoass]

Yes, I do have a 30+ years old setup ('Tibor' frame, Sriver, and that classic eggplant 729) around.

My 9 year old son uses it. I need to clean it every now and then, it tends to gather dust quite quickly. Because it's still amazingly tacky; it lifts the ball for a few seconds.

That Sriver also plays well, still, although it is getting more brittle and suffers consequently.

Spinny stuff! Makes it sound ridiculous that I have to change sheets every couple of months, but apoarently that's the way it is now.

 

[Jabugo]

Easy guys.

I first wanted to write that maybe this was true for Hurricane (non-neo) rubbers, but after having thought about this for a minute something came to my mind:

The grippiest and tackiest rubber i've ever owned was the eggplant coloured PF4 and eggplant coloured Friendship 729.
From my feeling both felt more tacky than their black counterparts, but when both companies had to give up their eggplant coloured rubbers due to the two-coloured rule change in the early eighties, they had to produce shiny red rubbers instead. And the shiny red was definitely a downgrade and wasn't as good as the black and the eggplant ones.
My eggplant coloured Friendship 729 still can lift a ball and hold it for a few seconds!
AFTER MORE THAN 30 YEARS!!!!
Evidence? Look up the thread "Share your racket's Photo"

If i recall correctly, TTD member YOASS also has an old eggplant coloured 729 that is able to do this ball lifting magic.
[Emoji6]

But all this being said: i'm quite sure this is pretty much outdated.
Knowledge grows, science evolves.
The R&D departments would really do an awful bad job if they weren't able to have solved this issue long time ago.
Neither my ESN rubbers nor my tenergies are showing these differences...
....and actually my H3NEO topsheets feel quite a bit different than the H3(non-neo) topsheets do, so could be that also the R&D department of DHS is progressing as well.
Maybe let these words sink in and think about this for a minute!

I probably wouldn't say so, if there were official statements from the companies about this, but there are non!!
[Emoji12]

Just a thought!

Something is weird about the red dye with H3/H3neo, and R&D doesn't really seem to care about fixing it. I clean my top sheets with a damp paper towel between play sessions, and the red coloring comes off with every red sheet I've ever used. It is never as tacky as black even with the rubber protector sheets.

 

[BHShoulderPain]

I liked Chinese rubber a lot but they are too heavy , after playing for a long time , almost 35 yrs , now I changed to use Tihbar MX-S , I found they are not as good as Chinese 729 but they are a lot lighter and easy for attack

Chinese rubbers are for people that are can provide enough power. It's like there's strength requirement to wield it. ESN rubbers are easy to use but are just as good, almost like the legendary weapon that main characters get in the beginning of games >.<