Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Michal_Z]

Very cool! I know Sven personally

That match point at 43:19 was unbelievable. Both players totally exhausted. Could have gone either way.

Yes, I already thought that he lost that point when Chtchetinine got back close to the table after those smashes..

BTW - have you seen the match before?
Where Happek was 2:0, 5:0 in the lead and lost?

 

[HalPingPal]

I bought a fairly cheap table(4 piece) and set it up in my garage over the weekend. Got my wife to play with me and little bit and she was astonished at the difference a more 'real' racket felt over the cheap stuff she's used before. My immediate goal is to rig up better lighting conditions then to get a net and a robot so I can just continuously practice my strokes.

It's nice being able to play a bit whenever I want now.

 

[suds79]

We had our state games tournament over the weekend. Running a tournament and playing in it is always challenging but it went well.

Even though I did not medal, I'm pretty happy with the way I played. I had the goal to make it into the next class singles up from the one lower which I always make. I even said to my partner that I'd rather lose every match in B than win C.... Welp, that's what happened.

So many threads & posts on here talk about technique and while they're all good, I learned this weekend that mentality, fight & emotion can make up just as much of a difference.

I had to fight hard in my prelims to make B over the C group. I won two close tough matches and got into B. In those matches I was pumped up, energetic and I would even cho on good shots. It's funny but in a match if you can either non-verbally, or verbally (with a cho) say to your opponent that "I'm coming" or "I'm bringing the fight to you.", I think you can get more passive players to somewhat back down or be intimidated by that. I played well in prelims.

In the B group I got down by a few losses and found my self mid match in a later match playing so much slower than I normally do. I lost to an opponent in the 5th & final set (13-15) in B who I beat in prelims 3-1. Felt like I was playing down to his level and didn't cho in that match. I needed more energy. more fight.

Anyways, that's my take away from this weekend. Now i'm looking forward to a much needed 2 week off break and I'll be back at it in a few weeks to start training again.

 

[Archosaurus]

@NextLevel

Thank you for filming and uploading the games played in your leagues. I was just now watching a new video and realized that most of the amateur table tennis I've seen on video can only be seen because you film it.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

you can go on the French forum, many videos of amateur games to watch

 

[NextLevel]

These new plastic balls don't respond as well to all wood blades. I am now more convinced than I ever was that this is the case, though of course wooden blades still play reasonably well and are usually cheaper. More ALL+ ALC blades should be made for beginners.

 

[StehTischtennis]

These new plastic balls don't respond as well to all wood blades. I am now more convinced than I ever was that this is the case, though of course wooden blades still play reasonably well and are usually cheaper. More ALL+ ALC blades should be made for beginners.

My only experience with ALL+ blades with carbon was with the Yinhe Y-4. My initial impression was that the throw angle was much lower than with an all wood blade, like the Butterfly Primorac for example.

I only heard that the new plastic balls are not as spinny as their celluloid predecessors, so their throw angle with top spin should be already lower.

Or why do you think that ALL+ blades with carbon would be more helpful for beginners when they are using the new plastic balls?

 

[NextLevel]

My only experience with ALL+ blades with carbon was with the Yinhe Y-4. My initial impression was that the throw angle was much lower than with an all wood blade, like the Butterfly Primorac for example.

I only heard that the new plastic balls are not as spinny as their celluloid predecessors, so their throw angle with top spin should be already lower.

Or why do you think that ALL+ blades with carbon would be more helpful for beginners when they are using the new plastic balls?

For a beginner, it might not make a huge difference but at some point, even a beginner needs to start looping hard and getting used to a relatively stiff feeling when getting spin is helpful. Deforming these plastic balls to get spin is harder and I think Carbon as a stiff composite helps in that regard. You don't want the ball leaping off the racket, but you also do want people to get use to the arylate/carbon feeling. I think the ALC/ZLC feeling is a fairly good alternative. Something slow with an innerforce design would likely be good enough.

 

[StehTischtennis]

For a beginner, it might not make a huge difference but at some point, even a beginner needs to start looping hard and getting used to a relatively stiff feeling when getting spin is helpful. Deforming these plastic balls to get spin is harder and I think Carbon as a stiff composite helps in that regard. You don't want the ball leaping off the racket, but you also do want people to get use to the arylate/carbon feeling. I think the ALC/ZLC feeling is a fairly good alternative. Something slow with an innerforce design would likely be good enough.

Interesting...

I think I'll test this with the Yinhe Y-4 ALL+ carbon blade when the new plastic balls will become mandatory in Germany in 2019.

Don't you think a blade like the Butterfly Korbel, which is quite hard and stiff, but still an all wood blade, would be easier to play than an ALL+ carbon blade?

 

[NextLevel]

Interesting...

I think I'll test this with the Yinhe Y-4 ALL+ carbon blade when the new plastic balls will become mandatory in Germany in 2019.

Don't you think a blade like the Butterfly Korbel, which is quite hard and stiff, but still an all wood blade, would be easier to play than an ALL+ carbon blade?

I am not sure I would call the Korbel "quite hard and stiff", but it definitely is a good choice. Recent Korbels I have used have been heavy, but if one could find a lighter one, sure. Composites make it easier to control that kind of stuff with less variation.

 

[StehTischtennis]

Yes, I already thought that he lost that point when Chtchetinine got back close to the table after those smashes..

BTW - have you seen the match before?
Where Happek was 2:0, 5:0 in the lead and lost?

Yes, I've also watched that match, but Sven said than I should only watch the other one, because it's the "better" match

 

[StehTischtennis]

I am not sure I would call the Korbel "quite hard and stiff", but it definitely is a good choice. Recent Korbels I have used have been heavy, but if one could find a lighter one, sure. Composites make it easier to control that kind of stuff with less variation.

Well, it's always relative

Compared to my Butterfly Primorac the Korbel definitely plays harder and more stiff, despite differing only in wood layer thickness.

 

[Jirrex]

For a beginner, it might not make a huge difference but at some point, even a beginner needs to start looping hard and getting used to a relatively stiff feeling when getting spin is helpful. Deforming these plastic balls to get spin is harder and I think Carbon as a stiff composite helps in that regard. You don't want the ball leaping off the racket, but you also do want people to get use to the arylate/carbon feeling. I think the ALC/ZLC feeling is a fairly good alternative. Something slow with an innerforce design would likely be good enough.

How likely do you think it is that they eventually come up with a ball that's closer to the celluloid one when it comes to spin?


A few weeks ago I ordered some DHS D40+ 3 star balls, which was my first real experience with the plastic ball. Bounce didn't differ that much to the celluloid balls that I'm using. Counter hitting wasn't too bad either, it only felt a bit slower. When doing pancakes and spin catcher, it still was pretty close to the celluloid ball. But when doing forehand loops, it seems that the difference in spin wasn't just a little. And then to think that these plastic balls are one of the best that are currently available.

 

[suds79]

I wonder at what point we stop comparing the spin difference between Plastic & Celluloid? Not that there's anything wrong with it. It's more just out of my curiousity. I mean you don't see people talking about the 38mm ball. Of course that'd be silly.

Yes marketers are making rubbers branded as "Made for the Plastic Ball!!!" which is to be expected. They'll do whatever they think will help move product. But for me personally, and I would assume many of you (at least this should be the case ), I haven't hit with a celluloid ball in so long, I don't even notice or could describe to you a difference anymore. Plastic just feels normal to me.

I'm sure if I did hit with a celluloid ball I could tell it breaks more and is a pinch faster. That makes sense when you go from a smaller to larger ball. I just see the discussion as a little irrelevant at this point given the switch happened I think in 2014 going off memory.

 

[ttmonster]

The reason it sticks out in the memory and the 38-40 did not was because they changed the material and not just the size. When you change the material you bring in intrinsic behavioral differences , most of us are still trying to wrap our heads around that ... the change in size was more consistent in the sense that the behavior was more predictable ...

I wonder at what point we stop comparing the spin difference between Plastic & Celluloid? Not that there's anything wrong with it. It's more just out of my curiousity. I mean you don't see people talking about the 38mm ball. Of course that'd be silly.

Yes marketers are making rubbers branded as "Made for the Plastic Ball!!!" which is to be expected. They'll do whatever they think will help move product. But for me personally, and I would assume many of you (at least this should be the case ), I haven't hit with a celluloid ball in so long, I don't even notice or could describe to you a difference anymore. Plastic just feels normal to me.

I'm sure if I did hit with a celluloid ball I could tell it breaks more and is a pinch faster. That makes sense when you go from a smaller to larger ball. I just see the discussion as a little irrelevant at this point given the switch happened I think in 2014 going off memory.

 

[NextLevel]

The reason it sticks out in the memory and the 38-40 did not was because they changed the material and not just the size. When you change the material you bring in intrinsic behavioral differences , most of us are still trying to wrap our heads around that ... the change in size was more consistent in the sense that the behavior was more predictable ...

Just like speed glue is gone and hard bat is from a different era, a time will come when players will have never experienced a celluloid ball.

 

[NextLevel]

How likely do you think it is that they eventually come up with a ball that's closer to the celluloid one when it comes to spin?


A few weeks ago I ordered some DHS D40+ 3 star balls, which was my first real experience with the plastic ball. Bounce didn't differ that much to the celluloid balls that I'm using. Counter hitting wasn't too bad either, it only felt a bit slower. When doing pancakes and spin catcher, it still was pretty close to the celluloid ball. But when doing forehand loops, it seems that the difference in spin wasn't just a little. And then to think that these plastic balls are one of the best that are currently available.

IT's unlikely. There isn't enough money in table tennis to experiment with the plastics and the ball is bigger. After a while, people get tired of change and are more focused on consistency. The world rankings have not changed substantially with the new balls, so people are largely okay as long as the balls play consistently and do not break.

 

[Suga D]

I wonder at what point we stop comparing the spin difference between Plastic & Celluloid? Not that there's anything wrong with it. It's more just out of my curiousity. I mean you don't see people talking about the 38mm ball. Of course that'd be silly.

Yes marketers are making rubbers branded as "Made for the Plastic Ball!!!" which is to be expected. They'll do whatever they think will help move product. But for me personally, and I would assume many of you (at least this should be the case ), I haven't hit with a celluloid ball in so long, I don't even notice or could describe to you a difference anymore. Plastic just feels normal to me.

I'm sure if I did hit with a celluloid ball I could tell it breaks more and is a pinch faster. That makes sense when you go from a smaller to larger ball. I just see the discussion as a little irrelevant at this point given the switch happened I think in 2014 going off memory.

FYI: To help you understand why this comparison keeps reappearing:

Your described scenario might be the case where you are, but in Germany the plastic ball isn't mandatory on amateur level yet (and i'm quite sure this is also the case in other european leagues) so many leagues are still allowed to use the cell ball, hence the comparison and actually not very surprising too!!

In fact: in Germany the P-Balls are only mandatory from 2019 on, so it's quite likely that this comparison will keep reappearing within the next couple of years!

Hope this has been understandable!

 

[Der_Echte]

I have been using Nexy Lissom ALL+ for a few months now and maybe I wont pick up a kjh when we get more. Top end with M+ is there and touch is always there.

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[UpSideDownCarl]

I have been using Nexy Lissom ALL+ for a few months now and maybe I wont pick up a kjh when we get more. Top end with M+ is there and touch is always there.

The Lissom definitely looks nice to me.


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