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And I said it was funny because getting mad as NextLevel did is what actually makes this guy happy. But he isn't worth arguing with when you can laugh at him instead.
jawien, you are actually not getting what is going on.
But make no mistake, NextLevel is correct that he is looking for some naive modern TT player to blind side with nonsense.
But if you don't realize he is trolling with that comment he made to NextLevel, then I don't know what to say to you.
Jawein, the black plague of sponge....
"....as graceful and deadly as Shakespearian swordplay...."
And trying to get people to react to him saying, basically, modern TT sucks and you guys should all realize how much better hardbat was back in its glory days
Yeah. Usually, I ignored him at mytt. But I know he will inevitably get banned here as well. I guess people do different things for fun and trolling is unfortunately one of them.
Boosters, foul serves.
Rubbers ineffectual.
Sport mocking itself.
To get this thread back on track.
Even if they start using H3 on their forehand today, it still won't change a thing unless they overhaul their approach to table tennis. Not just growing up playing with H3, but also the forehand-oriented mindset, which dictates how you act and react in a match. You can't wield the H3 using the dated '90s mindset and hope for the best.
It's a comment made by someone who hasn't played a full match with the supposedly better equipment. Freitas, Dima and Boll have said similar things. Only Dima seriously tried it for a short period. Remember what happened?Ok going back to the topic. What do you think about Simon Gauzy's comment than?
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/podcast/11994-tabletennisdaily-podcast-5-simon-gauzy/
15:50 - 17:10
First off, Next Level, table tennis is not exclusively your sport. Since the establishment of the International Table Tennis Federation in 1926, organized national and international table tennis has been the ITTF’s sport.
Let me ask you this. What is it that you can claim or say about “your sport”, that is table tennis as presently played, that might persuade anyone unfamiliar with it to invest the time and the money to become sufficiently proficient at playing, given the bewildering myriads of choices of equipment a prospective novice might choose and have to contend with that would make “your sport” sufficiently atrtractive to take up?
Well if I understand it correctly Berndtjgmann was simply asking what is so appealing of today's game as compared to the Victor Barna's epoch - quite innocent dilemma - seem to me. A matter of taste I would say ...
Sure ... maybe it is slightly off the topic ...
I mean I don't know your history guys, but question (isolated) sounded legit ... of course little unfortunate in a sense that it hijacks the thread basically.
It's a comment made by someone who hasn't played a full match [...]
Perhaps you are just trying to save face and I should simply let this go and let the thread go back to the intended subject matter. [...]
I've just listened to the Gauzy piece on the "magical" Chinese rubber...... I have to say, I don't really agree with him.
For starters, he goes from saying "it's better, and we don't have access to it"..... To saying "even if we did have access to it, we might not be able to use it".
That's the big thing for me - It works for the Chinese due to their footwork and technique (which has been discussed in great depth).
If the Europeans trained like the Chinese.... the conversation would be different.
If you gave all of the Europeans this magical Chinese H3..... They would not become better players - If anything, due to technique, they would become worse.
Yep. It gives a lot of control when you swing harder and allows you to swing a lot harder. But, when you don't swing as hard, it punishes that. If you are not well positioned, it punishes that. If your technique is not very good, it punishes that.
So the secret to the CNT play quality is hours and hours and hours and hours of training. And a philosophy of hitting the ball very hard while spinning the ball. And then this rubber that lets you hit the ball very hard while maintaining control, starts helping. Since the CNT players are systematically trained from a very young age, the advantage starts from there.
The advantages and disadvantages of H3 vs T05 can be encapsulated in the differences between topsheet spin and mechanical spin.
With H3, you get your spin and your speed largely from your own force and input. Technique with T05 or other rubbers like it, you get much more from touch, feeling, how you touch the ball, contacting the ball in such a way that the ball sinks in, distorts the topsheet while it compresses the sponge, and holding the ball on the topsheet for long enough so that the topsheet and sponge rebound while the ball is still being grabbed by the topsheet.
If you swing too hard while doing what I just described about mechanical spin, you lose control and you will not get as much power from the equipment. A swing that is too hard for T05 is about the minimum force needed to get the good stuff out of H3.
Totally different techniques. Totally different advantages and disadvantages.
But the biggest issue is that, by the age of 12, the guys who will be the top CNT players have had 100s of 1000s of hours more DISCIPLINED training than the guys who will become the top players in most other countries.
And, no, Dima did not put H3 on his BH.
http://wenhui.news365.com.cn/html/2017-06/06/content_561579.html夏澄说:“和国内相比,欧洲很多乒乓球教练的技术思想比较落后,不少人甚至停留在上世纪90年代的水平,现在每次集训时欧洲乒联都会指定各协会派遣教练员一同来参加。孩子训练时,教练也在学习,白天训练完了,晚上还设有专门针对教练员的课程,主要内容是对乒乓球运动最新发展的理解,目的就是改变这些教练员对乒乓球的认识,然后回国后能将这些最新的东西运用到日常训练中。”
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2011-05-16/03115578388.shtml“我希望乒乓球不仅是在中国和亚洲其他国家得到重视,希望欧洲传统的乒乓球国家能这个领域里有一个重新认识,就像八十年代欧洲通过技术改进、通过向亚洲学习,最后达到高于亚洲的层次。我们希望有这个局面,这样对乒乓球发展有利。”蔡振华说,“如果中国乒乓队继续包揽下去,改变规则和器材是必然的,这也是我说为什么中国教练要站在高度上看这个问题。”
……
不过,蔡振华紧接着就指出,“欧洲现在最大的问题不是我们不开放,而是他们的理念没有变化,从教练员的定位到训练、比赛的理念都没有变化,比赛中出现的问题他们只是从技术层面看,而不是全方位考虑。”蔡振华表示,“中国队想帮助他们,但是他们不一定懂,这是个棘手的问题,就像让一个大学教授去教小学生,想一时半会教出高材生也是不现实的。”
http://sports.sohu.com/20090228/n262515924.shtml蔡振华回顾说,上世纪八十年代初国乒大捷之后,在运动员、教练员、乃至乒乓球界中产生了骄傲自满的情绪。不求进步,管理松懈,训练理念开始落后,训练手段老化,战术越来越简单,比赛中缺少回旋能力,与欧洲人的对抗明显力不从心。蔡振华认为,技术问题可以通过勤学苦练解决,而心理阴影很难消除,一旦信心受挫,很可能陷入落后挨打的境地。
I would not just simply assume - more or less - that Simon does not know what he is talking about.
Perhaps he wanted to say something else, that European players do not have as much support as China players have.
Not only ML, FZD are better athletes but they also have all the industrial and scientific support resulting in development better rubbers that suit their playing style. There are voices, that during the speed glue era the battleground was much more leveled in this aspect.
So yes, Simon is right while doubting how they can compete with China. "Fernando Alonso is not only a better driver, but has a faster car too" ...
The whole Formula 1 argument is irrelevant. [...]
While staying with the "Formula 1" notion ...
Here is another testimony, this time from the World Champion (Chiba City 1991)
Starting 15:50 and about 5 minutes long.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/podcast/12411-tabletennisdaily-podcast-9-jorgen-persson/
PS. I don't have time now to summarize. I hope you'll listen, and have your reply.
but they also have all the industrial and scientific support resulting in development better rubbers that suit their playing style.