Table Tennis Penhold Engagement Survey

[genrel001]

Yeah, but Cazuo is getting old and seems like getting slower. So I think it's all down hill for him. The youngest Jpen player I know so far is Qui Dang (22yo) currently rank around 200. He's also not a traditional Jpen player as he uses RPB on the BH side and doesn't use a 1 ply hinoki blade. I have high hopes for him to, at least, make it to the top 20.

 

[brokenball]

I don't see why anybody cares what is more popular. The important thing is what works for you.

 

[youjialv]

Apart from changing the ball from 38mm to 40mm and the material change, which greatly reduced spin the ball, one other disadvantages of playing penhold is its reliance on finger strength. In China, most players start training at the age of 6-7. It takes a lot more effort to simply hold on to the racket and complete everyday training at this age using a penhold blade.

Although RPB resolved bh weakness, it gives ph similar crossover point compared to sh. With too little advantages of play ph in current era, I am not seeing ph players taking top spot in the near future (unless ITTF decides to change rules again).

 

[youjialv]

Yeah, but Cazuo is getting old and seems like getting slower. So I think it's all down hill for him. The youngest Jpen player I know so far is Qui Dang (22yo) currently rank around 200. He's also not a traditional Jpen player as he uses RPB on the BH side and doesn't use a 1 ply hinoki blade. I have high hopes for him to, at least, make it to the top 20.

I believe Qiu Dang has switched to using CPen in recent years. It fits his play style better.

 

[genrel001]

I believe Qiu Dang has switched to using CPen in recent years. It fits his play style better.

I believe that was 2016 that he went to cpen but news came up again in some forums that he went back to again to jpen. I believe he's using ZJK ZLC Jpen right now, not sure though.

 

[mateusk1]

Yeah, but Cazuo is getting old and seems like getting slower. So I think it's all down hill for him. The youngest Jpen player I know so far is Qui Dang (22yo) currently rank around 200. He's also not a traditional Jpen player as he uses RPB on the BH side and doesn't use a 1 ply hinoki blade. I have high hopes for him to, at least, make it to the top 20.

There is also Xue Fei from China. I think he is like 19 or so.


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[SFF_lib]

There is also Xue Fei from China. I think he is like 19 or so.


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Xue Fei was considered by Liu Guoliang the future of penhold 5 years ago.

But over the last few years Xue Fei hasn't developed as well as what people expected. He uses BH most of the time therefore forfeit the advantage of penhold.

He also suffers a weak FH like Wang Hao

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[genrel001]

Maybe if they didn't sacked Lui, Xue Fei could have been somewhere in the top 10 right now.

Also RPB dominant players don't the same level of footwork as those FH dominant ones.

 

[SFF_lib]

Maybe if they didn't sacked Lui, Xue Fei could have been somewhere in the top 10 right now.

Also RPB dominant players don't the same level of footwork as those FH dominant ones.

People who play safe with dominant BH don't get to the very top. Their games are also not that entertaining.
Just look at Jang Woojin, he plays more like a penholder than Xue Fei. Jang moves a lot to create opportunities for FH power loop.

Wang Hao somehow got a balance between consistent RPB and a strong enough FH. Xue Fei uses just way too much BH and plays too safe.

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[genrel001]

Agree, Xue Fei is more comparable to Wong Chun Ting than Wang Hao in my opinion. Both XF and WCT play with too much BH, heck there are even times when the ball is the FH side yet they will still move around just to hit it with the RPB.

I believe RPB is somehow misused by today's modern PH-ers (except XX). They always try to get the ball with RPB even when TPB is the best option, e.g. blocking. I miss Ma Lin, he's got the perfect balance between TPB and RPB in my opinion.

 

[orchid88]

I was told by another coach to switch to shakehand and I found it more natural. Today’s coach asked me to choose either one that makes me feel better and I’m switching to shakehand permanently. I guess it’s also very easy to do as a newbie. So goodbye Penhold for now.

 

[SFF_lib]

Agree, Xue Fei is more comparable to Wong Chun Ting than Wang Hao in my opinion. Both XF and WCT play with too much BH, heck there are even times when the ball is the FH side yet they will still move around just to hit it with the RPB.

I believe RPB is somehow misused by today's modern PH-ers (except XX). They always try to get the ball with RPB even when TPB is the best option, e.g. blocking. I miss Ma Lin, he's got the perfect balance between TPB and RPB in my opinion.

Yeah I miss Ma Lin's game. He was not the most powerful, but he had great tactics and found the perfect balance between FH, RPB and traditional blocks

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[alas26]

Does anyone confuse themselves when thinking between RPB or TBH? Or do you guys have a certain area where if you see the ball coming (e.g. low Center that you automatically go for the TBH punch block, or higher spinnier slightly outside your center on your backhand side that you automatically go for a RPB loop) you know what to do?

Sometimes I get totally flipped in my head and just completely miss or my timing is delayed. I feel like I have more success being aggressive on my BH side with RPB than TBH.


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[sandkie]

Hi all. My first post.. I am penholder, started with TPB but fully converted to RPB. In Singapore, there are more penholders player for players above 40 years old. So, I actually play with penholder more often than shakehand but younger player mostly shakehand.

 

[SFF_lib]

Hi all. My first post.. I am penholder, started with TPB but fully converted to RPB. In Singapore, there are more penholders player for players above 40 years old. So, I actually play with penholder more often than shakehand but younger player mostly shakehand.

Welcome to TT daily. Great to have another penholder around!!

 

[ntlt33]

hello everyone! I'm new on ttdaily forum, I decided to sign in mainly cause I was looking for a PH community.

It's about 2 years I'm playing tt and just switched to PH during covid quarantine stop: I was messing with the PH grip with a friend and found I loved it! As some users already wrote I think that with PH improves the quality of your fh (speed and spin) and literally teaches you one of the key of this game: play relaxed.

Since I switched from SH I found natural to use the RPB grip. The main issue I'm having with this grip is an awful middle finger pain. In the first week I had index pain either, but solved it sanding my bat. The middle finger pain is still there. I'm trying both XX and WCT grip but it's like I have to chose between fh quality (XX grip with 3 straight fingers on the bh side) and finger confort (middle finger slightly bent and curved at around 2 o'clock).
The bh doesn't give me any problem since i hold the bat pressing index and middle finger with the thumb adjusting the racket angle so no pressure on the middle finger in that stroke; but on the fh I just can't close the bat enough if I don't press with the middle finger and it hurts!

Do you have any advice?

 

[olive-nguyen]

Hello everyone here, I a new member of TTD and would like to add some input. I'm a sec 1 student who had interest in playing table tennis since as long as I can remember. I play jpen, having learnt table tennis from my father, who was a jpen holder. Alot of the older generation here in Singapore also uses penhold.
I do notice the backhand limitations with penhold, but the fact that there is no crossover point near the elbow which is difficult to hit means that I can compensate by staying closer to the left of the table. [having long arms helps with reach] I usually play TPB but when opportunity comes where it is good for RPB I will use it, but it's not my strong shot as it lacks power. I find it much more natural to angle my bat down on TPB for topspin. Plus my game finishers are usually the backhand smash, or heavy forehand topspin down the line.

In this forum I noticed a few who mentioned about the pain in the index finger. I have that problem too, but it can be solved by sanding down the edges and more importantly, what helped me improve my accuracy more, loosening up my grip. This allowed me to follow through the ball better to allow for more accurate shots in my opinion. This is especially true on the backhand side.

By the way, to any Jpenholders here, how do your other 3 fingers rest on the back of the bat? I place them flat and spread out on the forehand, and all 3 stacked up on the middle finger to rest on the back of the bat on backhand, whilst also moving my thumb to the vertical position on the raised block. Any guidance please 🙏