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Ahhhh i thought I was the only one getting fooled !

He explained me in detail 2 of his many deception tricks for me to practice. Will definitely try them !!

What id really like to learn is the Snake Adam Bobrow like
This guy is a genius, even though learning serves is what wins matches, Adam only gets FB likes lol
 
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I am thinking about starting a training group for seniors, players over 20 years of age. What Do you guys think about this? I am not sure if people would be interested. What Do you think?

I feel that it is sad that it is so difficult to become better when you are an adult since it is difficult get organized training since these is often for kids. Or atleast i feel this way when i am practicing, it would be nice to get some attention and help sometimes. It would also be nice to coach somebody that actually listen and fight hard which i think adults Do better than kids. It is also an easy and fun way for me to earn some more money.
 
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I am thinking about starting a training group for seniors, players over 20 years of age. What Do you guys think about this? I am not sure if people would be interested. What Do you think?

I feel that it is sad that it is so difficult to become better when you are an adult since it is difficult get organized training since these is often for kids. Or atleast i feel this way when i am practicing, it would be nice to get some attention and help sometimes. It would also be nice to coach somebody that actually listen and fight hard which i think adults Do better than kids. It is also an easy and fun way for me to earn some more money.

I highly recommend it! I don't know what the table tennis scene is like where you live, but I live in the same town as a very high level coach/player and play at the club he runs. A significant portion of his coaching students are adults, maybe even the majority are. It seems like you struggle with the attitude of kids (as do I) and the way you speak is better suited for adults anyway. If training adults is something you're passionate about you should pursue it!
 
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I am thinking about starting a training group for seniors, players over 20 years of age. What Do you guys think about this? I am not sure if people would be interested. What Do you think?

I feel that it is sad that it is so difficult to become better when you are an adult since it is difficult get organized training since these is often for kids. Or atleast i feel this way when i am practicing, it would be nice to get some attention and help sometimes. It would also be nice to coach somebody that actually listen and fight hard which i think adults Do better than kids. It is also an easy and fun way for me to earn some more money.

It is a good idea, but remember that coaching adults has its own issues as well. You have to work hard to make what they are learning meaningful and if they want it to translate to matches, you have to watch them play and continue to adapt the training to their weaknesses. You also have to manage expectations that can be fairly ridiculous to an experienced coach.
 
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Do not get me wrong, i still like coaching kids But after been doing i for several years and it always seems like you need to put so very much effort in to getting kids to listen and fight it is very fun and refreshing to coach adults that is the opposite to the kids. They are not use to the attention and help i think so they listen really well.

Yeah, proably it is not easy to coach adults either as you say, But it would be fun to try since i have not Tried it so much before. I think one problem can be that i want to go through all the technique from the beginning and they migth as you say, have a hard time find the meaning to Do this and Do not feel the need to change if they played a while for many years. But hopefully those who Will join are their to learn how to Do the different strokes.

I am just thinking about this at the moment, so it is No reality yet But i Will keep you updated. I would also like to hear more of your experiences with coaching adults or being part of an adult training group.

Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it.
 
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Lula: I don't know about Skåne but you would have no issues filling up such a potential group in Stockholm. I play with two different clubs and have a fairly good insight into two other clubs (via friends) and the amateur (Swedish: motion) training groups for adults are packed. Most suffer from the lack of quality coaching.
 
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I am thinking about starting a training group for seniors, players over 20 years of age. What Do you guys think about this? I am not sure if people would be interested. What Do you think?

I feel that it is sad that it is so difficult to become better when you are an adult since it is difficult get organized training since these is often for kids. Or atleast i feel this way when i am practicing, it would be nice to get some attention and help sometimes. It would also be nice to coach somebody that actually listen and fight hard which i think adults Do better than kids. It is also an easy and fun way for me to earn some more money.


I highly recommend it as well. I‘m 34 and definitely chose my club because it offered coaching for adults as well as kids so I see no reason why you wouldn’t find willing players.
 
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Played a team match in the veteran league tonight. My two opponents had a Swedish rating of 1500 and 1700 (probably division 5-6 in the normal mens senior division). Lost with 11-7 11-5 11-4 and 11-9 11-8 11-8. Pretty good for someone half of their rating. A sign of progress I guess?

One of the opponents really got on my nerves as he was screaming out when he got the odd edge ball against him but didn't apologise when the same happened to me. Had to force myself to shake his hand after the match.
 
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Played a team match in the veteran league tonight. My two opponents had a Swedish rating of 1500 and 1700 (probably division 5-6 in the normal mens senior division). Lost with 11-7 11-5 11-4 and 11-9 11-8 11-8. Pretty good for someone half of their rating. A sign of progress I guess?

One of the opponents really got on my nerves as he was screaming out when he got the odd edge ball against him but didn't apologise when the same happened to me. Had to force myself to shake his hand after the match.

Well done! How did you play? maybe you played alot with your strengths? or did you find their weakness? What was the tactic? no nerves? or why did it go well?

I think it could be smart to try to think what you did this time when you think it went well and try to do it next time aswell.
 
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Lula: I don't know about Skåne but you would have no issues filling up such a potential group in Stockholm. I play with two different clubs and have a fairly good insight into two other clubs (via friends) and the amateur (Swedish: motion) training groups for adults are packed. Most suffer from the lack of quality coaching.

Okay! Nice to hear that! My city is not as big as Stockholm, but i also feel that it is alot of players in smaller clubs in my area that maybe would like to have some organized practice and help with their strokes. I think it is pretty bad that it is so difficult to become better at tabletennis when you are adult since there are not so many training groups for adults and there are not much help available. And since tabletennis is a sport with alot of technique it is difficult to learn it on your own.
 
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Well done! How did you play? maybe you played alot with your strengths? or did you find their weakness? What was the tactic? no nerves? or why did it go well?

I think it could be smart to try to think what you did this time when you think it went well and try to do it next time aswell.

I was not nervous at all as I didn't really expect to have a real chance to beat them considering their ranking. I won a lot of points on serves. Both had SP on BH so I tried to avoid that and served top spin/back spin/no spin/side spin short to their forehand in order to avoid their lazer beam BH (they punished me with SP BH both 4-5 times per match). Also won a few points serving directly to their pocket as a surprise.

I guess that next time when I encounter players of this level I will try to attack a few more of their serves as I got a bit defensive and ended up in push rallies on quite a few points. It's fun to compete. Next week is Stratospoolen in Enköping.
 
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I was not nervous at all as I didn't really expect to have a real chance to beat them considering their ranking. I won a lot of points on serves. Both had SP on BH so I tried to avoid that and served top spin/back spin/no spin/side spin short to their forehand in order to avoid their lazer beam BH (they punished me with SP BH both 4-5 times per match). Also won a few points serving directly to their pocket as a surprise.

I guess that next time when I encounter players of this level I will try to attack a few more of their serves as I got a bit defensive and ended up in push rallies on quite a few points. It's fun to compete. Next week is Stratospoolen in Enköping.

It was impressive that you won alot on serves against better players! I think it was smart of you to serve towards their forehand when they have short pimple on the backhand, since the short pimple is not so sensitive against spin. I play with short pimple myself pretty much how you could play against it. Next time you play against short pimple i think you could try to serve long with backspin, sidebackspin or just sidespin against their short pimple and also push long to their short pimple. The biggest weakness with short pimples in my opinion is that the first loop, the opening is bad with it, since it is hard to generate spin and when the ball is lower than the net we can almost just lift the ball. So if you serve and push well long you know you proably will get a pretty bad first loop if they try to open and you could try to attack that ball. I think Mattias Falck get punished alot when he do not get very low good placement first loop since it is not so much spin in the ball so good players can attack that ball. I try to avoid opening with my pimples as much as possible, better to get topspin against you.

If they are good backhand players and not move around in the bh to play forehand it is very smart to serve against the pocket and also play against the pocket since they will have trouble knowing if they should play backhand or forehand.

I think it is okay that you push as long as you are determined in what you do and not hesitate. If you notice that the opponent push alot i think it could be a good idea to serve alot of topspin, sidetopspin, or nospin so they either push high or flip the ball. They will proably push high since they push alot and yu can kill the ball. And if they start to flip the ball you could start do more backspin serves so they have trouble flipping and then just mix it up to confuse them.

I try to practice so i do not become fat haha, but i do not compete so much anymore. But i will also going to Enköping to coach some kids from BTK Safir from Örebro.

Did you play for Nortull?

If you or some friends have it boring and do not have anything to do in february you are more than welcome to come to umpire at Safirs Interantional. I will proably be head of the umpires this year again and it is always difficult to get enough umpires.
 
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I was not nervous at all as I didn't really expect to have a real chance to beat them considering their ranking. I won a lot of points on serves. Both had SP on BH so I tried to avoid that and served top spin/back spin/no spin/side spin short to their forehand in order to avoid their lazer beam BH (they punished me with SP BH both 4-5 times per match). Also won a few points serving directly to their pocket as a surprise.

I guess that next time when I encounter players of this level I will try to attack a few more of their serves as I got a bit defensive and ended up in push rallies on quite a few points. It's fun to compete. Next week is Stratospoolen in Enköping.

 
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It was impressive that you won alot on serves against better players! I think it was smart of you to serve towards their forehand when they have short pimple on the backhand, since the short pimple is not so sensitive against spin. I play with short pimple myself pretty much how you could play against it. Next time you play against short pimple i think you could try to serve long with backspin, sidebackspin or just sidespin against their short pimple and also push long to their short pimple. The biggest weakness with short pimples in my opinion is that the first loop, the opening is bad with it, since it is hard to generate spin and when the ball is lower than the net we can almost just lift the ball. So if you serve and push well long you know you proably will get a pretty bad first loop if they try to open and you could try to attack that ball. I think Mattias Falck get punished alot when he do not get very low good placement first loop since it is not so much spin in the ball so good players can attack that ball. I try to avoid opening with my pimples as much as possible, better to get topspin against you.

If they are good backhand players and not move around in the bh to play forehand it is very smart to serve against the pocket and also play against the pocket since they will have trouble knowing if they should play backhand or forehand.

I think it is okay that you push as long as you are determined in what you do and not hesitate. If you notice that the opponent push alot i think it could be a good idea to serve alot of topspin, sidetopspin, or nospin so they either push high or flip the ball. They will proably push high since they push alot and yu can kill the ball. And if they start to flip the ball you could start do more backspin serves so they have trouble flipping and then just mix it up to confuse them.

I try to practice so i do not become fat haha, but i do not compete so much anymore. But i will also going to Enköping to coach some kids from BTK Safir from Örebro.

Did you play for Nortull?

If you or some friends have it boring and do not have anything to do in february you are more than welcome to come to umpire at Safirs Interantional. I will proably be head of the umpires this year again and it is always difficult to get enough umpires.

Thanks for the advice! I don't think that I served a single serve to their BH as I was convinced that they would just punch it straight and kill my serve. The "warm up" before the match was a bit frightening as they demonstrated the power of their backhand. I've only played for a year so I'm still learning how to deal with "funny rubbers".

Yes, I play for Norrtull. A great club which is still extremely small in a lot of ways but I like the social responsibility they take.

Maybe I'll meet some of your cadets in Enköping. My ranking has really been hit by playing in the veteran league as most players are 1500+ and I'm probably in reality in the low 900. It will be a fun day in any case :)
 
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Thanks for the advice! I don't think that I served a single serve to their BH as I was convinced that they would just punch it straight and kill my serve. The "warm up" before the match was a bit frightening as they demonstrated the power of their backhand. I've only played for a year so I'm still learning how to deal with "funny rubbers".

Yes, I play for Norrtull. A great club which is still extremely small in a lot of ways but I like the social responsibility they take.

Maybe I'll meet some of your cadets in Enköping. My ranking has really been hit by playing in the veteran league as most players are 1500+ and I'm probably in reality in the low 900. It will be a fun day in any case :)

Okey! that do sounds scary!

I bet they were surprised that you served in their forehand haha :)

If one of my players play against anyone from Nortull we will change their racket to a racket with funny rubbers and hopefully it is you they are going to play against haha :)

Good luck in Enköping!
 
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I think if anything I can still work on a more forward swing and feeling the ball more.

Great progress! You'll no doubt gain confidence as the stroke get engrained, and will execute it more and more relaxed.

You're using your legs to power it, and I think the basics are there. One thing I think might be worth improving is the followup of (or recovery from) the stroke; you seem stay put for a while at the finishing position, while at that point you can use the natural flow of the movement to "hop" back in position while releasing/repositioning your arm, shoulder, hip.
 
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Training Week for Beginners

In two weeks from now I am going to lead a training's camp with two hours training per day for a total of five days. Its an optional course kids at a local school can visit during their holidays.

Now I am looking to put together a set of cool beginners exercises, and I wondered if some of you guys done similar things and are willing to give me some tips or inspiration. Ofc I am happy for every suggestion :)

Today im going over to check their equipment to see what I am working with. I know they have standard school gym stuff and tt-tables. The bats I can provide through my club.

Cheers
 
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I finally have a video where I don't feel like I look hilarious doing FH strokes vs underspin. It's not perfect but it's serviceable and doesn't cause stress on my body at all so I'll need to gain some confidence in it and use it when I play. I think if anything I can still work on a more forward swing and feeling the ball more. I showed 2 sets here because I watched the video of the first and made corrections for the 2nd, which gave better results. I'll still have the same problem as Boogar, where my match play is much worse than my practices. Not sure how to dissipate stress in match situations but will take any advice anyone has to help.

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Doing a stroke vs a robot is different from doing jt in multi ball which is very different from doing a stroke in practice drills which is again different from doing it in practice matches which is again different from doing it in real matches. Each scenario adds something important that is a piece on the puzzle in developing true confidence and competence in your abilities.

The robot delivers a mostly fixed ball which doesn't place any pressure on you to read the spin or location or depth or even the racket of the feeder.

With multi ball you get the racket of the feeder and a more human element but still artificial.

With drills, if they are similar to the matches, you get a relaxed opportunity to hone a skill but the training partner will likely not have the degree of variation you have in a match and you don't have as many demands on you to adjust to the opponent.

Practice matches are where the fun begins as you have to use what you have learned combined with a lot of other skills if your opponent doesn't know what you have worked on. Then you have to read the play and adapt your skills to it usually without the pressure of serious consequences with a loss. This is the beginning of developing the skill to true usage. The usual problem is not reading and adapting to the play, usually the spin or the location/placement. You have to look at what happened to the ball when you miss, investigate the causes, and then adapt your stroke and ball read. This should be a feature of all your practices and drills but unfortunately, most people are only forced to start this in practice matches when they should adapt their training to support this before this level with subtle variations to make their brain adapt faster.

Then you have tournament matches. If you can use and adapt the skill here, then you have broken through.

Dubina and some people add in a Match point level, or a match point down level, which is whether you would use the skill match point down when you need the point. In these situations, there is an extra pressure that affects your confidence in the skills if they are not fully formed.

The point of all this is to say there is nothing special or magical about looking good in practice and looking worse in matches. In fact, LGL says that there is no proper /teztbook technique on display in matches or points where you are pushed to your competitive maximum. He was in part joking but anyone who plays at a semi serious level or better understands what he means.

So take your stroke through the steps above and then you will start looking as good in matches as you do in practice. But until then, do not describe the disparity as anything special. It is when you get stuck at doing the skill in practice matches and cannot do it in pressure matches that you need to visit what the drivers of this may be and how to fix.
 
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Lookout, that worthless BH-Man from MyTT is talking moar shyt about your post on the US Open thread.

Maybe you can put that sucka in hiz pace.

Haha, you guys do not seem to like eachother :)

I have no problem that people do not agree with me. That is fine, everyone should have their own opinion.
And i do not want to be rude against Americans and say that there level is low or something. Everyone is doing the best they can with the opportunities they have.

But i do not think it should be possible for a guy that quite playing because he was injuried and that have been retired for over 15 years to go in and win one of the biggest tournaments(is it the biggest?) in the US. I feel that someone should have been able to become better than him during those 15 years when he did not play. But maybe this guy is a huge talent so he is able to do that. it is very impressive of him but not good for the tabletennis in the US.
 
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