Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[NextLevel]

TTD member "erm" game me two each Stiga Intensity Carbon blades... 88g and 84g... with dynamic rubbers.

Got to hit 2 hrs today.

Gotta say these things are spin machines. I like me some spin.

Practiced 45 minutes with 2150-2200 level Scoobie Doo Sergey and touch with short receive is there, flipping is even better.

I conclude I could play this blade, the Persson Power Play, the KJH, or Akkad and not lose a thing in the critical shots I do the most.

NL MIGHT like this too, but the top end isn't overwhelming until you really whack it.

It is really funny that I thought the Qabod was a brick when I first used it. It seems to me that the plastic ball makes everything slower and there are no true OFF+ blades anymore.

 

[NextLevel]

The era of spin for the sake of spin is over. The era of spin for the sake of consistency and speed is here. The true genius now is to use high levels of spin to remain consistent but it is not going to win you as many points.

I think this is my primary justification for going to a faster and harder blade, I can keep my spin level but I won't win points because of it, I will only will by missing less. I also don't have to swing as hard. The mistake is to spin and try to win because the spin is killing the opponent. I can still sometimes do this on my backhand but no more on my forehand.

 

[ttmonster]

Well .. Tenergy Hard !!!

The era of spin for the sake of spin is over. The era of spin for the sake of consistency and speed is here. The true genius now is to use high levels of spin to remain consistent but it is not going to win you as many points.

I think this is my primary justification for going to a faster and harder blade, I can keep my spin level but I won't win points because of it, I will only will by missing less. I also don't have to swing as hard. The mistake is to spin and try to win because the spin is killing the opponent. I can still sometimes do this on my backhand but no more on my forehand.

 

[NextLevel]

Well .. Tenergy Hard !!!

Fastarc G1 has everything I would ever want in a rubber and I wish ESN and Nittaku had made this rubber more widely available at smaller European retailers earlier. It is the most popular rubber in Japan for a reason and I don't see the need to waste money on anything else.

 

[yoass]

Fastarc G1 has everything I would ever want in a rubber and I wish ESN and Nittaku had made this rubber more widely available at smaller European retailers earlier. It is the most popular rubber in Japan for a reason and I don't see the need to waste money on anything else.

You’re championing it zealously, and I for one am taking notice and hope to get a taste of it someday.

 

[NextLevel]

You’re championing it zealously, and I for one am taking notice and hope to get a taste of it someday.

If you like Vega Pro pr Rakza 7, this is better IMO with the same technology and equally competitive price. Of course if you like the new rubbers, you may find this slow or in need of boosting. But I don't think there is any other competitor in the price for value arena.

 

[yoass]

If you like Vega Pro pr Rakza 7, this is better IMO with the same technology and equally competitive price. Of course if you like the new rubbers, you may find this slow or in need of boosting. But I don't think there is any other competitor in the price for value arena.

It is more expensive over here (50%), and harder to get. But as I hold both Vega Pro and Rakza 7 ( (though too much to handle for me when I tried it) in high esteem, I’m taking your word for it and have added it to my internal TT equipment bucket list.

You play with it on fastish blades with relatively hard outers, right? That’s where I’m at.

 

[ttmonster]

TBH I haven't tried Fastarc G1 , but for sure 05 H has more spin and power than 05 had once engage the sponge ... and I was able to get those pop ups/misses from the opponent that the plastic ball eliminated from the game ...

Fastarc G1 has everything I would ever want in a rubber and I wish ESN and Nittaku had made this rubber more widely available at smaller European retailers earlier. It is the most popular rubber in Japan for a reason and I don't see the need to waste money on anything else.

 

[mart1nandersson]

If you like Vega Pro pr Rakza 7, this is better IMO with the same technology and equally competitive price. Of course if you like the new rubbers, you may find this slow or in need of boosting. But I don't think there is any other competitor in the price for value arena.

What about spin sensitivity? I'm quite curious about this rubber.

 

[NextLevel]

What about spin sensitivity? I'm quite curious about this rubber.

It is spin sensitive like inverted rubber but because the sponge is not bouncy it is less like Tenergy 05 and more subtle. Definitely not worse than Vega Pro and better than T05.

 

[mart1nandersson]

I find TT training quite fascinating. It's a bit like dancing. If your partner constantly steps on your toes it's really bad. The TT equivalent would be to treat every stroke like the finishing shot in a world championship final. It doesn't seem to matter what the level of the partner is as there always seem to be plenty of people that like to step on other peoples toes. I just don't get it. What do they get out of the practice session?

 

[Lula]

Mart1n! I do not really understand what you are saying? are you guys not helping eachother out?

My first training for adults will be on monday. It will be like a test practice to see if anyone will come and to see what they think about it. I planning on doing pretty easy exercises with focus on the fundementals like counter, looping, looping against backspin, short short and get them to think about their strengths and practice them. What do you guys think? any suggestions? i am a little worried that they will feel these easy exercises to be boring and that i will explain to much technique. But i think that they are there to get helpt with their strokes so i think it will work out okay. or atleast i hope so haha

 

[mart1nandersson]

Mart1n! I do not really understand what you are saying? are you guys not helping eachother out?

My first training for adults will be on monday. It will be like a test practice to see if anyone will come and to see what they think about it. I planning on doing pretty easy exercises with focus on the fundementals like counter, looping, looping against backspin, short short and get them to think about their strengths and practice them. What do you guys think? any suggestions? i am a little worried that they will feel these easy exercises to be boring and that i will explain to much technique. But i think that they are there to get helpt with their strokes so i think it will work out okay. or atleast i hope so haha

It's almost always ok when it's a practice session with a coach but without a coach I feel that certain training partners does not sort of sense the level of their partner and adapt. It can be both ways: either they're way better and hit extremely hard or they over estimate themselves and try to do stuff that usually ends up 1m outside of the table. I guess that I'm just frustrated after spending 2h with a guy that flat hits at full power when you're trying to do a Falkenberg drill (most hits went way long).

Edit: I think your session will be fine. Your group will probably be extremely mixed (that's at least how it is in Stockholm). Some will be top12 players from the 80ies and some won't know the difference between back and top spin. It will be ok as long as a coach can match training partners with fairly similar capacity with each other.

 

[Lula]

Your training partners sound like kids i think. I repeatedly say that they need to play the rigth pace so many balls go over the net, because then they get to practice the shot more times, and Will then become better at it and as a result a better player. I feel like your training partner have not understood this. Can you not talk to the Guy? It seems strange that he would enjoy a training where he misses everything.

I also think the training Will go fine. I think they know eachother pretty well so they Will know who to play with. Doing winners table(vinnarbord) is also a good way to change partners after their level of play.

 

[mart1nandersson]

Top table (”vinnarbord”) is a great idea!

I think that it’s good to rotate the training partners during the practice session. One system which works quite well is shuffle around people when you switch training drill. I sometimes train with another club and their coach decides who plays with who which I personally like. She pretty much always matches good training partners.

 

[Der_Echte]

It is spin sensitive like inverted rubber but because the sponge is not bouncy it is less like Tenergy 05 and more subtle. Definitely not worse than Vega Pro and better than T05.

TTD member "erm" slapped a couple sheets of Donic Accuda S3... dude this dog can spin all day, all speeds. My BH was always a strong point for me, but the spin from this rubber in friggin 2.0 is incredible. I NEVER like a 2.0 sponged rubber. I gotta rethink.

Balls just land a little more and my heavy shot is still heavy devastating. A nice OFF control oriented rubber just the right medium soft sponge for my impact.

 

[Atas Newton]

Made an important discovery today. After yet another one of our celluloid DHS balls broke I decided to find out what it smells like on the inside. Because why not. Turns out it smells like rosemary, exactly like rosemary, it's actually quite a pleasant smell. If you have one freshly broken somewhere close, go ahead, give it a sniff. Apparently it's the smell of camphor which is used in manufacturing as plasticizer.

 

[Lula]

I am planning the practise for mondays adult training. We will do easy exercises with focus on the technique. Between the exercises i will explain what they need to think about when doing the strokes.

Hopefully they can warm up before. If they have not done that we will run around the tables then do fast feet exercises by the table.
Forehand counter. count first to 100.
Same with bh
Fh loop against block.
Same with bh.
Short against short. match from 5-5.
2 point footwork. Count the lapses?
Short serve, push to forehand, open to forehand and back to forehand.
Same with bh.
They choose an exercise based on their strengths.
Edit: forget to mentions. Tops table:win two balls in a row and try to keep the serve.

Any feedback?

I am a little worried that they will be too tired to play say 1,5 h-2 h that we need for these exercises. I also have a tendency to plan to much exercises for the time i have.

I am also a little worried that they will feel that the explanations before the exercises are boring and takes time, likewise that the exercises is to easy so they find them boring.

I find it hard to know which level i should put this on. They can play pretty good, but do not have the best technique and are used to always only play matches. Hopefully they are very interested to learn more and become better. I think it will work out okay. we will have to discuss after the training to see how they think it was.

 

[mart1nandersson]

Very good drills but maybe a lot of drills for a 1,5h session as you also plan to include a warmup. I guess that they also will want to play some sets or top table. I don’t really like to play sets during a practice sessions but I know that others will get upset if this isn’t part of the session.

Some favourite drills (which works ok for less talented adults like myself):
- The Falkenberg drill
- Two BH + two FH against BH block
- Three BH + one FH loop against BH block

One favourite drill that I picked up from Sjöberg:
3 to 5 BH to BH. The person “blocking” decides when to put the ball straight down the line. Really good as it’s got a random element to it. I find this drill extremely hard but developing as it involves resetting the racket as well as footwork.

 

[Lula]

I Will ask them try to Do warm up before We start. So We save some time.
I know it can be tigth with time, But i prefer to Do short exercises so i think it Will be okay. Better with short exercises with more focus i Think. But i Will explain alot so i am a little afraid that they think they got to play to little. But i think it is most important for me to give them the tools then they can practice them on their own.

Good exercises! But i still think those are way to hard to start with if We are going to focus alot on the technique. Maybe We can try them later.

I forget to mention that We Will try to Do top table were they are going to win two balls in a Row to win the serve. Then when i scream stop the Guy with the serve wins.

Thanks for the feedback.