Is trainerbot a scam ? Does anybody here now them ?

[UpSideDownCarl]

And it looks like this scam is still trying to get money from people.

This thread was woken up from 2018. And these guys are still trying to raise money without having produced a product.

 

[Arkady]

And it looks like this scam is still trying to get money from people.

This thread was woken up from 2018. And these guys are still trying to raise money without having produced a product.

Update #41, Dec 10 2019

"In the past month, we have been working TIRELESSLY........"

These guys seriously think that there are people who actually believe them......

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Update #41, Dec 10 2019

"In the past month, we have been working TIRELESSLY........"

These guys seriously think that there are people who actually believe them......

Yeah. I felt bad for the people who were still writing asking for updates. Or the ones who were still trying to put some kind of positive spin on their inquiries after all these years having been scammed.

And, regardless, there is no way that those guys, if they were legit, could make something as good as the Butterfly Amicus. So, all those people who were hoping for something fancy for less money, I just feel bad for them.

The place were I would have decided it was a scam was where they explained that the reason they decided on a robot that could only hold 30 balls was because "everyone" was too tired after 30 balls to continue anyway. So silly.

I have used a bot on a high frequency setting (very short interval between balls) and gone 5-10 min. With a mechanism to recirculate the 150 or so balls I was using, that means I probably hit a few thousand balls in the longer stretches. That practice was excellent for helping me increase my reset speed. And it is amazing how slow normal play with a human feels after something like that. So well worth having a mechanism to recirculate the balls.

 

[Der_Echte]

Corona Cat get their Tongue?

 

[Caxoera]

I don’t believe it was a scam from the beginning. They probably lost their selfs on the way. A good idea and money is not enough to start a company and launch a good product. You have to be a business person or at least hire a good one. The guys from trainerbot looks like more as Steve Wozniak than Steve Jobs if you know what I mean.

 

[FastPong]

Yes sure im totally agree with you over the price of the R & D which is quite very high which usually the startups over estimate their tech ability. but the fact about the Trainerbot, is they have used expensive marketing companies like proper propaganda and Jellop and the other video making company and if the company doesn't have marketing background and video making background they need to use a professional service to stand among thousands of campaigns which these days the competition is very very difficult.

 

[Arkady]

I don’t believe it was a scam from the beginning. They probably lost their selfs on the way. A good idea and money is not enough to start a company and launch a good product. You have to be a business person or at least hire a good one. The guys from trainerbot looks like more as Steve Wozniak than Steve Jobs if you know what I mean.

I don't know if these guys were scammers from the beginning, but now all they do is trying to fool people that they are actually working on the project....

As pointed out before, each "update" they issue, contains super technical information about a "problem" that has occurred. In order to back up their story, they post photos of parts that nobody can understand what it is.

And that keeps going on.

 

[FastPong]

You are exactly right the frequency of 1 second per ball I think is the norm and I remember I was reading an article regarding to it that suggest one ball per second and if we consider that its around 30 second to finish all the balls.
This is the article for reference:
Moradi, M., Jahanian, M., safavi, A., Sayyah Mofazali, R., Hajiyani, M., Mazaree,
E., & Samadi, H. (2014). The effect of changing ball rate on decision
making performance in experienced men table tennis players. International
Journal of Sport Studies, 4 (1), 6.

 

[Simas]

Yes sure im totally agree with you over the price of the R & D which is quite very high which usually the startups over estimate their tech ability. but the fact about the Trainerbot, is they have used expensive marketing companies like proper propaganda and Jellop and the other video making company and if the company doesn't have marketing background and video making background they need to use a professional service to stand among thousands of campaigns which these days the competition is very very difficult.

no disputes in this particular trainer bot case on their campaign costs structure. And when you are talking about marketing expenditures, they indeed can be quite high for crowdfunding campaigns when you have to spin some generic item. For example you find an electronics manufacturer in China, make a deal on the a earbuds and they are basically no different from thousands of other earbuds. So you add turbo nano in the description and pour a lot of money into ads...

though I don't think that table tennis robot is an everyday, generic item, so in that case you can spend less on flooding the space with your ads and go into more direct marketing I suppose...

And, regardless, there is no way that those guys, if they were legit, could make something as good as the Butterfly Amicus. So, all those people who were hoping for something fancy for less money, I just feel bad for them.

yes, totally agreed. It's way too much to expect to make as good a robot as Amicus. Butterfly is putting lots of money and know-how there and that does not come out of thin air. I think their proposition was (or had to be) -that they make a decent robot for a reasonable amount of money. Cause Amicus price is hard to call down to earth

I don’t believe it was a scam from the beginning. They probably lost their selfs on the way. A good idea and money is not enough to start a company and launch a good product. You have to be a business person or at least hire a good one. The guys from trainerbot looks like more as Steve Wozniak than Steve Jobs if you know what I mean.

Yes, my neither. I think their intentions were good, they wanted to make a product, but over estimated themselves...