nittaku H3

[SFF_lib]

That’s really interesting - I’m getting tempted to try it after all ;-)

Warning, it demands a stronger stroke than DHS H3. Your footwork needs to be fast too

 

[ricospin]

I’m using H8 mid hard with one layer of Seamoon, and it’s not a slow rubber at all (even on an Acoustic all wood blade)

I used H8 mid hard without boosting for about 3 months or so. I found it to be slow in the sense that I was working for the same amount of quality as h3, if not a little less. I liked how it felt when it was out of the package but was a little too fast. Which meant less speed and spin.

I have never used Seamoon, but I think we can both agree that after the factory boost from h8 wears off, it needs to be boosted, because it doesn't spin as much and doesn't have the same amount of catapult/power during the first week or so.

 

[ricospin]

What booster do you use for your TG2 and what's your process?

TG2 Neo unboosted is incredibly slow. No problems with spin, but super slow.

 

[Wrighty67]

I used H8 mid hard without boosting for about 3 months or so. I found it to be slow in the sense that I was working for the same amount of quality as h3, if not a little less. I liked how it felt when it was out of the package but was a little too fast. Which meant less speed and spin.

I have never used Seamoon, but I think we can both agree that after the factory boost from h8 wears off, it needs to be boosted, because it doesn't spin as much and doesn't have the same amount of catapult/power during the first week or so.

I hear you - but I am slightly confused I think because you say it was too fast out the package but then you say it gave you less speed and spin?

I think H8 is as fast (or faster) in terms of speed off the racquet, than almost all of the H3 variants I have tried - however almost all of those were 40 or 41 deg vs the 39 deg mid hard H8. I don't doubt the harder H3 are faster with the right stroke/power - but I am not there...

Quality of spin I found better on the H3 - almost all of them have amazing spin and control.

For me I am trying to establish if the trade off makes the H8 a better proposition - I don't have to work as hard on my FH as I do with the H3 and only lose a little bit of spin.

I am about to put a slightly used sheet of 40 deg BS H3 on my other all wood blade and will compare.

With regards boosting, my view is that all Hurricane requires it to some level or other - I only put a single layer of yellow oil (the good stuff) onto the H8 and the H8-80 I have on my BH (not much doming) and that feels about right given the softer start points.

 

[SFF_lib]

What booster do you use for your TG2 and what's your process?

TG2 Neo unboosted is incredibly slow. No problems with spin, but super slow.

I used TG2 blue sponge 40 degree, no Neo.

My standard procedure is simple:
1-2 layers of water based glue - leave it dry
1 layer of Seamoon , leave it dry
Another layer of Seamoon on the same day
After 24 hours, another layer of Seamoon
As soon as it dries, 1-2 layers of glue to prevent oil from drying.

By now it should be curly. Wait until it’s almost flat, check the topsheet. If the pimple structure becomes quite visible due to stretching, you’ve done enough boosting. Or you will need another layer or two Seamoon.

You see it comes with experience. Your one layer might be equivalent to my two layers. There too many variables.

 

[SFF_lib]

I draw this diagram to clarify this issue.

Assumption:

• TG2 = TG2 blue sponge 40 degree boosted with 3 layers of Seamoon
• H3 = Neo National H3 40 degree boosted with 3 layers of Seamoon
• H8 = H8 hard, no boosting

Low impact, TG2 reigns in spin due to its hard top sheet, and H8 reigns in speed.
Both H8 and H3 are more linear than TG2 across the spectrum.
TG2 is really slow even after boosting (great for short game), but its top gear (spin and speed) beats even the more expensive National H3. It's evidenced in Xu Xin's FH before age of 25. Even Ma Long back then could not rival Xu Xin's FH.

 

[Wrighty67]

I draw this diagram to clarify this issue.

Assumption:

• TG2 = TG2 blue sponge 40 degree boosted with 3 layers of Seamoon
• H3 = Neo National H3 40 degree boosted with 3 layers of Seamoon
• H8 = H8 hard, no boosting

Low impact, TG2 reigns in spin due to its hard top sheet, and H8 reigns in speed.
Both H8 and H3 are more linear than TG2 across the spectrum.
TG2 is really slow even after boosting (great for short game), but its top gear (spin and speed) beats even the more expensive National H3. It's evidenced in Xu Xin's FH before age of 25. Even Ma Long back then could not rival Xu Xin's FH.

Interesting chart - makes sense.

 

[ricospin]

I hear you - but I am slightly confused I think because you say it was too fast out the package but then you say it gave you less speed and spin?

I think H8 is as fast (or faster) in terms of speed off the racquet, than almost all of the H3 variants I have tried - however almost all of those were 40 or 41 deg vs the 39 deg mid hard H8. I don't doubt the harder H3 are faster with the right stroke/power - but I am not there...

Quality of spin I found better on the H3 - almost all of them have amazing spin and control.

For me I am trying to establish if the trade off makes the H8 a better proposition - I don't have to work as hard on my FH as I do with the H3 and only lose a little bit of spin.

I am about to put a slightly used sheet of 40 deg BS H3 on my other all wood blade and will compare.

With regards boosting, my view is that all Hurricane requires it to some level or other - I only put a single layer of yellow oil (the good stuff) onto the H8 and the H8-80 I have on my BH (not much doming) and that feels about right given the softer start points.

I agree with a lot of what you say and the trade of between working as hard as h3 compared to the ease of use on h8 is something I’ve thought about too.

to clarify what I said. When the rubber was out of the package, it was pretty uncontrollable for me, I even had a high level player notice that my rubber was too fast after watching me a play a couple points. Since it’s fast I felt that it launched the ball quicker than I could spin it.

Experimental Air on the fact that I was already using B2X with it. And that’s a stiff blade with somewhat low dwell, and it didn’t help that the H8 was fast and hard.

Speed decreased over time because factory booster wore off.

 

[ricospin]

I draw this diagram to clarify this issue.

Assumption:

• TG2 = TG2 blue sponge 40 degree boosted with 3 layers of Seamoon
• H3 = Neo National H3 40 degree boosted with 3 layers of Seamoon
• H8 = H8 hard, no boosting

Low impact, TG2 reigns in spin due to its hard top sheet, and H8 reigns in speed.
Both H8 and H3 are more linear than TG2 across the spectrum.
TG2 is really slow even after boosting (great for short game), but its top gear (spin and speed) beats even the more expensive National H3. It's evidenced in Xu Xin's FH before age of 25. Even Ma Long back then could not rival Xu Xin's FH.

Beautiful chart haha. Makes me want to reconsider tg2 again. Although it’s still so slow, maybe after a good amount of boosting it will be a good combination?

My guess is some fast carbon like Super Alc Viscaria or SZLC blade would work well to get the speed up.

any variations between commercial and provincial besides qc?

 

[SFF_lib]

Beautiful chart haha. Makes me want to reconsider tg2 again. Although it’s still so slow, maybe after a good amount of boosting it will be a good combination?

My guess is some fast carbon like Super Alc Viscaria or SZLC blade would work well to get the speed up.

any variations between commercial and provincial besides qc?

BS is slightly more lively compared to the commercial version.

 

[Wrighty67]

I hear you - but I am slightly confused I think because you say it was too fast out the package but then you say it gave you less speed and spin?

I think H8 is as fast (or faster) in terms of speed off the racquet, than almost all of the H3 variants I have tried - however almost all of those were 40 or 41 deg vs the 39 deg mid hard H8. I don't doubt the harder H3 are faster with the right stroke/power - but I am not there...

Quality of spin I found better on the H3 - almost all of them have amazing spin and control.

For me I am trying to establish if the trade off makes the H8 a better proposition - I don't have to work as hard on my FH as I do with the H3 and only lose a little bit of spin.

I am about to put a slightly used sheet of 40 deg BS H3 on my other all wood blade and will compare.

With regards boosting, my view is that all Hurricane requires it to some level or other - I only put a single layer of yellow oil (the good stuff) onto the H8 and the H8-80 I have on my BH (not much doming) and that feels about right given the softer start points.

By way of a follow up, I played 3h tonight with the 40d H3 BS on my violin blade, so a little slower than my acoustic. It was superb in every respect - more control than the H8 and sufficiently fast when I needed it to be. Very spinny and great touch play. It was a great combination for me and hard to fault.

 

[ricospin]

By way of a follow up, I played 3h tonight with the 40d H3 BS on my violin blade, so a little slower than my acoustic. It was superb in every respect - more control than the H8 and sufficiently fast when I needed it to be. Very spinny and great touch play. It was a great combination for me and hard to fault.

Interesting, I might have to buy a sheet myself to re-evaluate my stance. Curious as to how long the H3 would hold up it's quality.

Did you boost?

 

[Wrighty67]

Interesting, I might have to buy a sheet myself to re-evaluate my stance. Curious as to how long the H3 would hold up it's quality.

Did you boost?

Yes, 3 layers Seamoon yellow oil

 

[ricospin]

Ah I see. I was comparing h8 to a non boosted neo. Therefore my effort comments.

I recently got falco booster. Eager to try it out on some h3.

 

[Wrighty67]

Ah I see. I was comparing h8 to a non boosted neo. Therefore my effort comments.

I recently got falco booster. Eager to try it out on some h3.

I think for H3 to shine it needs a decent boost, particularly 40/41 deg. It just adds a whole new dimension to it - still not as bouncy off the bat as H8 (2 layers boost) but plenty fast enough.

 

[SFF_lib]

I have a red H3 boosted on a slow-ish 5-ply. I 100% agree that I can do anything with it as the control is perfect. Spin creation is piece of cake.

 

[Wrighty67]

I have a red H3 boosted on a slow-ish 5-ply. I 100% agree that I can do anything with it as the control is perfect. Spin creation is piece of cake.

What hardness is your red H3?

I have a 37 deg sheet of H3 arriving this week to try on my BH at some point (right now using Fastarc C1 which is a good deal softer..)

 

[SFF_lib]

Mine is 40 degree orange sponge. My blade is Virtuoso off-.

 

[CLV]

Just received it today.
Feels heavy as ***
And even harder then a regular H3.

Still waiting for my blade to arrive.
Will try it, if it´s not my cup off tea I´ll stick to rakza Z or rakza z hard

 

[Wrighty67]

Just received it today.
Feels heavy as ***
And even harder then a regular H3.

It's all those things - as has been said many times before. My two sheets are both 60/61g cut to size, so a good 10g heavier than my H3 or Dignics sheets.

It was only the few posts on this thread that gave me hope that if boosted enough to soften it that it can be a good FH rubber, so I will be interested in your thoughts once you try it (assuming you are going to boost it)