Yinhe Jupiter 3 Amazing Rubber

[Attitude]

Sounds like you are an advanced player already, I wonder which style you are and how does that J3 give you advantage in your game ?

Full attack on both sides^^
J3+PBO gives me a bit more time because it is a pretty fast setup. So i dont have to full swing everytime. More often it is enough to just use my arm to create a decent (counter-)topspin and get the point. But still i can hit nearly as hard as i want and still get the ball on the table.
Actually if i think about it J3 feels like a better boosted H3 (at least better than i usually boosted it) with a slightly lower arc, which would probably be the biggest disadvantage compared to H3 imo.

 

[zbys]

I just want to highlight this Yinhe Jupiter 3 rubber. It's not a rubber that I see get talked about much, but its honestly a really remarkable and great rubber. I recently started using it on my FH in 39 degree, and I'm playing much better with it. It is very much like a hybrid rubber, with a tacky topsheet (tackier than ESN hybrids), and a bouncy fast sponge. I compared it with a Bluegrip C2, and I felt the speed was very similar but the Jupiter had more spin and power. Jupiter also seemed to have a higher arc. The rubber doesn't need to be boosted at all, its naturally very bouncy.

This is a very powerful rubber with very fast basic drive speed as well. It's very different from H3, as it doesn't quite get the same level of spin. It doesn't have the feeling of holding the ball on the rubber and getting unlimited amounts of spin the way H3 does. But the loop is very deadly, as the combination of speed and spin can really overwhelm the opponent. Opening loops feel quite effortless and natural. The good arc combined with the inherent bounciness makes opening loops easy. Also, I never knew I was so good at flicking until I switched to this rubber. I can flick very consistently and easily with this rubber. The bounciness and lack of spin sensitivity seems to make it good at flicks and also blocks.

The area where the Jupiter 3 is less ideal is serve and short game. Compared to H3, its just much more bouncy. At times my serve can go long or high, and same with pushes. I'm sure over time you can get used to it, but its just one natural consequence of having a bouncy sponge.

I'm so impressed by this rubber that next time I want to try it in 41 degree sponge. Hopefully its even more powerful, and also 41 degree sponge probably leaves some margin for boosting down to 40 or 39 hardness.

After trying J3 for weeks over the hols , robot only club is closed till today .. its a low throw rubber for me 38 deg boosted with 3 layers of falco .feeling and feedback is amazing ,it has the chinese thin short pimple top sheet tackiness gives it spin, thou spin is not the best R48 has more spin and speed by far . low thro is good for me .the angle of hit is the most consistent l have ever used , over the table loops are its forte ..going back is slow but consistent trajectory .have to stay close to the table .Only used euro fast bouncy rubbers before .Hell of a change ! l really have to swing fast to get big speed . lts not bouncy which is good on serve and receive , brilliant so far but dont know how it will be in our premier league ?

 

[vvk1]

After trying J3 for weeks over the hols , robot only club is closed till today .. its a low throw rubber for me 38 deg boosted with 3 layers of falco .feeling and feedback is amazing ,it has the chinese thin short pimple top sheet tackiness gives it spin, thou spin is not the best R48 has more spin and speed by far . low thro is good for me .the angle of hit is the most consistent l have ever used , over the table loops are its forte ..going back is slow but consistent trajectory .have to stay close to the table .Only used euro fast bouncy rubbers before .Hell of a change ! l really have to swing fast to get big speed . lts not bouncy which is good on serve and receive , brilliant so far but dont know how it will be in our premier league ?

Which league do you play in (just curious)?

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Around every 3 months if i am boosting and if i notice a reconstrucable change in my equipments behaviour. For example it doesnt grip the ball anymore on various points on the rubber. Changes in speed can be tolerable until a certain point. If that is reached i change. But in general i expect my rubbers to live at least 3-6 months, otherwise they are low quality in my perspective and not worth buying, especially if they cost more than 30€.

The difference between arc and throw would be the point at which you would "meassure" it. Throw would be the angle the ball jumps of the rubber, while the arc would be the height of the peak of the parabola a shot makes (usually compared with loop drives).
Though the throw can affect the arc (a higher throw angle usually would mean you have a higher arc) they are not the same. I experienced this especially with J3, because the throw would be lower than most of the rubbers i recently played with, but the arc is nearly the same, which makes the trajectory of the shots so dangerous and gives a really good feeling if you hard loop a ball.

To put the throwangle into perspective in my own experience from low to high:
Sanwei Target National (low)<J3(lower end of medium)<Tibhar Hybrid K2(Medium)<LAC<(Medium)=BD 2<Battle 2 prov(higher end of medium)<Rakza Z(medium high)

Can you talk about your experience with Target National?

How does it's speed compare to H3 and LAC/BD? How is it's spin and feeling? Did you require boosting on it?

 

[Attitude]

Can you talk about your experience with Target National?

How does it's speed compare to H3 and LAC/BD? How is it's spin and feeling? Did you require boosting on it?

Speed is in between LAC/BD and unboosted H3. Throw is incredible low and spin i probably even higher or at least equally to LAC.
Never tried boosting it. I could play it without. Actually i found it quite nice to improve looping, because if you hit smth with lower racket angle and tried to topspin you will hit the ball into the net.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Speed is in between LAC/BD and unboosted H3. Throw is incredible low and spin i probably even higher or at least equally to LAC.
Never tried boosting it. I could play it without. Actually i found it quite nice to improve looping, because if you hit smth with lower racket angle and tried to topspin you will hit the ball into the net.

I have a sheet of Target National that I haven't opened yet. I am actually currently playing with Sanwei Target Provincial Pro 3. The throw is incredibly low, and it was a horrible rubber for me. The rebound is low and dead, I guess similar to unboosted H3. The topsheet is really quite tacky though, and it retains its tackiness remarkably well ever after weeks of use. After boosting it heavily, the Pro 3 rebound became a little better, and I'm now playing it without big problems. It sounds like Target National might be fairly similar.

I have no idea why Sanwei decided to make the throw so incredibly low. Why not just change the pip structure to something more normal?

 

[Attitude]

I have a sheet of Target National that I haven't opened yet. I am actually currently playing with Sanwei Target Provincial Pro 3. The throw is incredibly low, and it was a horrible rubber for me. The rebound is low and dead, I guess similar to unboosted H3. The topsheet is really quite tacky though, and it retains its tackiness remarkably well ever after weeks of use. After boosting it heavily, the Pro 3 rebound became a little better, and I'm now playing it without big problems. It sounds like Target National might be fairly similar.

I have no idea why Sanwei decided to make the throw so incredibly low. Why not just change the pip structure to something more normal?

Ask them in their thread^^

 

[mocker88]

I have a sheet of Target National that I haven't opened yet. I am actually currently playing with Sanwei Target Provincial Pro 3. The throw is incredibly low, and it was a horrible rubber for me. The rebound is low and dead, I guess similar to unboosted H3. The topsheet is really quite tacky though, and it retains its tackiness remarkably well ever after weeks of use. After boosting it heavily, the Pro 3 rebound became a little better, and I'm now playing it without big problems. It sounds like Target National might be fairly similar.

I have no idea why Sanwei decided to make the throw so incredibly low. Why not just change the pip structure to something more normal?

Is it the "New" Target National? There's quite a difference between the old and the new. The new one gives you much better effect in the looping game, and is really fast compared to H3 and so. I didn't feel that the throw was so extremely low, but perhaps a bit lower than H3 41deg.

 

[dRONNy]

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?28356-Greetings-from-a-SANWEI-Official/page2Here the official representative writes that Target Pro 3 rubber is not in the product line.

 

[damszelfly]

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/showthread.php?28356-Greetings-from-a-SANWEI-Official/page2Here the official representative writes that Target Pro 3 rubber is not in the product line.

At least, not in their European/American product line. It appears, that a few more Sanwei rubbers and blades are meant to be sold primarily domestically, but those can be purchased from a few "not official" sources. The default communication about these products seems to be outright denying their existence, even though it is now looks like rather a not so clever move from the marketing side, because of the obvious contradiction.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Well today I played a very heavy slicer, so it was a good chance to compare the Sanwei Target Pro 3 directly against H3 Blue Sponge.

I found that the H3 was WAAAAY better at lifting the heavy slices.

The Target Pro 3 has a very low throw angle, and a somewhat dead bounce. Against heavy underspin, I feel it struggles badly at lifting underspin. Many times my normal loops would go into the net. I would have to make a very large adjustment to my stroke to get the ball over the net, and then the shot also wouldn't be too high quality either. I find that Target is quite good at counter-looping, it has good grip and spin and seems to hold the ball well. It's just the throw angle is so ridiculously low.

Compared to Target, the H3 feels so light and easy to use.

 

[thomas.pong]

Hi Michael,

I haven't read through the whole thread, too long, but do you still feel Yinhe Jupiter 3 to be amazing? Are you still playing with it?

What is your favorite setup or the one you're sticking with?

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Hi Michael,

I haven't read through the whole thread, too long, but do you still feel Yinhe Jupiter 3 to be amazing? Are you still playing with it?

What is your favorite setup or the one you're sticking with?

I still feel Jupiter 3 to be amazing. I'm not playing with it right now because I put it into storage to save for when I really need it (when I have many tough matches with tough opponents). So I plan to take it out again in the near to mid future when I feel there are competitive matches coming up. Also I have too many other rubbers in backlog that I need to test and give a fair chance to.

I would say my favorite setup would be Jupiter 3 on forehand and a tensor rubber on BH (such as MXP, Rasanter 47, Hammond Z2, etc). My favorite Chinese BH rubber would be AK47 Red. Previously I was playing with Jupiter 3 on FH and AK47 Red on BH, and it felt really great.

 

[thomas.pong]

I still feel Jupiter 3 to be amazing. I'm not playing with it right now because I put it into storage to save for when I really need it (when I have many tough matches with tough opponents). So I plan to take it out again in the near to mid future when I feel there are competitive matches coming up. Also I have too many other rubbers in backlog that I need to test and give a fair chance to.

I would say my favorite setup would be Jupiter 3 on forehand and a tensor rubber on BH (such as MXP, Rasanter 47, Hammond Z2, etc). My favorite Chinese BH rubber would be AK47 Red. Previously I was playing with Jupiter 3 on FH and AK47 Red on BH, and it felt really great.

Right on!

What blade are you using?

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Right on!

What blade are you using?

I'm usually using the DHS Fang Bo Carbon (I don't want to pay for HL5 or 968, so I figure this is close enough).

Sometimes I also use my Stuor Harimoto S-ZLC clone blade. This blade has quite a lot of kick and catapult. The blade overall has a mild soft-feeling, some people might call it mushy. The H3 Blue sponge that I mentioned is currently on this blade. I feel this blade is a loop monster. The two drawbacks are that 1)it sometimes does feel slightly mushy and 2) the blade is thicker than the Fang Bo, and it makes it slightly more awkward to maneuver.

 

[Funk Fu Master]

How does the Jupiter 3 compare to the Yinhe Moon Speed Pro?

 

[Michael Zhuang]

How does the Jupiter 3 compare to the Yinhe Moon Speed Pro?

I've used the regular Moon Speed, but never tried the Moon Speed Pro.

My impression is that MSP is a medium sponge where Jupiter 3 is a hard sponge. So I don't think they are similar.

I also get the impression that the MSP is just a heavily treated rubber.

 

[zbys]

I've used the regular Moon Speed, but never tried the Moon Speed Pro.

My impression is that MSP is a medium sponge where Jupiter 3 is a hard sponge. So I don't think they are similar.

I also get the impression that the MSP is just a heavily treated rubber.

now having tried jupiter 3 against good players who mostly use tenergy [the robot was beguiling cos not missing with J3 ] most posters about J3 have used H3 and other Chinese tacky rubbers . l had only used tensor euro ones T05 R48 etc so such a big change . l was easily overpowered with J3 but not with Rasanter 48 there is a world of difference in speed and spin l found J3 only good for blocking pushing and serve receive where control was out of this world . . being so used to fast bouncy rubbers , J3 is not bouncy ,so anyone thinking of trying chinese v cheap rubbers after playing with bouncy tensors BEWARE its great for fast arm developing strokes . since feedback is so good . its v low throw no use for backhand spin ups and drives ..no punch on flat hits like almost everyone in the uk and europe will have have to fork out and buy expensive tensors ..

 

[Michael Zhuang]

now having tried jupiter 3 against good players who mostly use tenergy [the robot was beguiling cos not missing with J3 ] most posters about J3 have used H3 and other Chinese tacky rubbers . l had only used tensor euro ones T05 R48 etc so such a big change . l was easily overpowered with J3 but not with Rasanter 48 there is a world of difference in speed and spin l found J3 only good for blocking pushing and serve receive where control was out of this world . . being so used to fast bouncy rubbers , J3 is not bouncy ,so anyone thinking of trying chinese v cheap rubbers after playing with bouncy tensors BEWARE its great for fast arm developing strokes . since feedback is so good . its v low throw no use for backhand spin ups and drives ..no punch on flat hits like almost everyone in the uk and europe will have have to fork out and buy expensive tensors ..

J3 is a Hybrid rubber.

Compared to tensor rubbers like R48 or MXP or something, it may be less bouncy and slower at low speeds. But it is more powerful at higher speeds.

Compared to Chinese tacky rubbers, J3 is lightning fast.

Compared to Hybrid rubbers like K3, J3 is fast.

 

[Aung Thuya]

I am using pro 01 with fh jupiter 2 h38 and I feel like a little slow. So I wanna change to these three rubbers for upgrading jupiter 2 h39,big dipper h39 and the other one is jupiter 3 h39 or if I need more hardness for each rubber? If u have time pls sharing your experiences my game style is sipn game and mid range and is there any other rubbers suitable for my game pls sharing me thanks.