Boosted Chinese rubber better than Tensor for backhand?

[TensorBackhand]

I know my username is TensorBackhand, and I always liked the idea of having a bouncy fast rubber on backhand to makeup for the lack of power, but recently I have discovered that a boosted Chinese rubber on BH is more powerful, grips the ball better, and has more offensive potential than the more standard tensor backhand. Anybody else find this to be true? I'm surprised more top pro don't use this style of BH rubber.

I have a 1800, two-wing looper friend who plays G1 on bh. He has a very hard swing, and I felt his shots were hitting the ceiling of G1 quite easily, so I let him try my boosted Big Dipper on BH. Immediately he noticed a huge difference in the power and spin and ability to grip the ball. He couldn't believe the price of the BD when I told him. When I was blocking his G1 loops, it felt quite easy and lacked penetration. When he looped with BD, it was much spinnier and jumped off the table. If a 1800 guy can do this, then surely pros can take more advantage of this.

In my own testing, I find 2 rubbers in particular are good for BH. Big Dipper I already mentioned. But also Victas Triple Extra is excellent for BH. It really ramps up in power when you swing harder. The ceiling is much higher than standard tensor rubbers.

Why are not more players using this style of rubber on BH? I know some players are using D09c on BH, but still seems too few to me.

 

[thomas.pong]

Was this in match or in practice? Big difference..

I know the ex-Chinese Provincial player at my club who coaches now uses boosted H3 37 on his BH, and while he recommends boosted H3 on the FH on his students, he recommends a tension rubber on the BH and says to stay away from no tension on the BH.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Was this in match or in practice? Big difference..

I know the ex-Chinese Provincial player at my club who coaches now uses boosted H3 37 on his BH, and while he recommends boosted H3 on the FH on his students, he recommends a tension rubber on the BH and says to stay away from no tension on the BH.

Both! The other guy especially felt that he was able to finish points much easier with the boosted China rubbers. When we played some practice matches, he had trouble getting past my block with his G1, but with the China rubbers he was more able to penetrate the block.

Also, I'm not really referring to H3, because it is kinda slow. But there are certain Chinese rubbers that have more natural bounce, and when enhanced with booster, are both faster and spinnier than tension rubbers.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Well the other guy went off and bought his own Big Dipper after testing mine. He was clearly impressed by it.

 

[mihalichtheone]

I find H3 37 booster be better in every aspect than G-1, for example.

But if I compare it with T05...it's debatable. Both are equally good or H3 37 is a bit better and certainly more cost efficient ($/performance ratio), but hassle of boosting TWO sides of the blade is just too much for me personally 😅

To each their own.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I find H3 37 booster be better in every aspect than G-1, for example.

But if I compare it with T05...it's debatable. Both are equally good or H3 37 is a bit better and certainly more cost efficient ($/performance ratio), but hassle of boosting TWO sides of the blade is just too much for me personally 😅

To each their own.

I find that T05 and other tension rubbers are good at low impact, but the harder you loop they seem to lose at the higher impact end of the spectrum. For pros, almost all of their shots are high impact, so I would expect they would benefit from the harder Chinese rubbers.

 

[davidsyd828]

I find H3 37 booster be better in every aspect than G-1, for example.

But if I compare it with T05...it's debatable. Both are equally good or H3 37 is a bit better and certainly more cost efficient ($/performance ratio), but hassle of boosting TWO sides of the blade is just too much for me personally 😅

To each their own.

Is that orange sponge H3 ? I want to try something like that.

 

[lodro]

There seems to be a flaw in the opening argument.
First it praises the hard chinese rubbers for BH loops in favor of tensor bounciness.
Then we end up talking about H37.
Well H37 is not a hard rubber. H41 is a hard rubber but what seems to me the main conflict here
is the erroneous believe that one requires "soft and bounce" to create the BH loop. It does not.
It requires a different technique and different angles.

 

[ersthwil]

Feels like the point here is just that for this player, a harder, grippier (not necessarily tacky) rubber resulted in higher quality shots. There are plenty of harder (than G1) rubbers with more grip. Chinese/Euro/tensor/tacky by themselves don't mean they're "better".

Quite a few pros in the top 20 are using D09C or (thanks to all the CNT players) H3 on the BH. Maybe the folks who stick with D05 play a faster, off-the-bounce game on the BH? There's a huge range of players and physical ability and styles. There are enough options that pros can find a rubber to match their style regardless of sponsor (or disregarding their sponsor), and the variance suggests that there isn't a rubber (or type) that is "better".

 

[TensorBackhand]

Feels like the point here is just that for this player, a harder, grippier (not necessarily tacky) rubber resulted in higher quality shots. There are plenty of harder (than G1) rubbers with more grip. Chinese/Euro/tensor/tacky by themselves don't mean they're "better".

Quite a few pros in the top 20 are using D09C or (thanks to all the CNT players) H3 on the BH. Maybe the folks who stick with D05 play a faster, off-the-bounce game on the BH? There's a huge range of players and physical ability and styles. There are enough options that pros can find a rubber to match their style regardless of sponsor (or disregarding their sponsor), and the variance suggests that there isn't a rubber (or type) that is "better".

Well it's not just this 1 guy who benefits from tackier/harder rubber.

There are really strong players like Otcharov, Qiu Dang, Jorkic, and LYJ who still use tension rubber. Clearly these pros are stronger than random 1800 guy, so I wonder why they don't use something like D09c or Victas Triple Double on BH.

 

[Egon]

Hello Tensor Backhand! Literally like three workouts I play with two Jupiters 3 on both sides and I added a lot. There are 15 of us on 5 tables, we play to the count until the stop on the first table, then from 5 tables the losers sit down, and 5 people go to the shift. Today I played on the first table for more than an hour and never lost to any of the 15 people!, although there was a very strong line-up. This had never happened before, everyone was very surprised. My hit percentage and confidence in the game have gone up a lot.
I used to play on the backhand all the time with tensor tires - barracuda, rakza 7, vega pro and others, and on the forehand I played with a hurricane and I never liked trying to turn the rubber bands around, but a few days ago I played in a hall with high humidity and my vegas pro they simply refused to spin on the backhand and I was forced to turn the racket over and lo and behold! Jupiter 3 plays just great! Yes, one training session took a little getting used to, but for me this is not a problem at all, because I have a lot of blades that my father and I make and I test them all the time with different rubbers. So it really works! Control in receiving innings and in blocks, the ball does not fly over the edge of the table, as it was with Vega pro. Yes, it is slower, but you need to work more actively with your arms and legs, while the clamps are removed, the movements become longer and stronger. Yes, I had to adjust the top spin on the undercut. Torsion is generally just top! I feel that it has become more difficult for opponents to play with me.

 

[Egon]

For me, chinese hybrid rubber with a booster are definitely better now! I think that here, in fact, the meaning is not in the chinese overlay, but in the very principle. This ball needs a harder rubber with a sticky topsheet and at least some speed. For some reason I am sure that two dignics 09c or joola golden tango ps or k3 would suit me just as well. The ball has changed - the inventory has changed.

 

[ersthwil]

There are really strong players like Otcharov, Qiu Dang, Jorkic, and LYJ who still use tension rubber. Clearly these pros are stronger than random 1800 guy, so I wonder why they don't use something like D09c or Victas Triple Double on BH.

My point is simply that there's some aspect to the rubbers they are currently using that they believe works better for them. Ovtcharov and Qiu have access to D09c. In fact Ovtcharov was trying out D09c at one point before going back to D05. I also swear at one point Qiu was using D09c on his backhand too.

As to the "why?", then my guess would be that they can play at higher speeds more consistently with something like Dignics 05 than D09c. Full-commit shots are harder to recover from compared to a shot you take at 70% power.

 

[Egon]

The man with the coolest backhand on our planet - Fan Zhendong plays D09C on his backhand. This is indicative.
True, I think that he boosts him, like his hurricane, because the balls fly off his racket very quickly and cheerfully.

 

[Kolev]

The man with the coolest backhand on our planet - Fan Zhendong plays D09C on his backhand. This is indicative.
True, I think that he boosts him, like his hurricane, because the balls fly off his racket very quickly and cheerfully.

Long time before the 09c his BH was already indicative .....

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Tacky rubber for BH will generate more spin and the ball can be slower but more kick and it bounce to the side. If one is not use to this kick + side bounce, one will often mistime and miss the ball completely ( I am guilty as charged ).

This sensation of missing the ball is very fresh in my mind because this week Thurs. game I've just met a player who in the first set, I won him with my usual fast off the bounce counter-drive. In the second, third & final set onwards, he slowed down his game; giving me slow spinny loops with a lot of side spin which made the ball snake to one side. Naturally being the one who is slow to adapt, I lost the game 3-1.

I suppose, I speculate a player who uses a tacky rubber on BH will do just that, but with even snakier outcome making those who are not used to this type of return fall prey to it.

ESN ( God bless ) rubber as my coach puts it, has only one winning property, it's the speed. You always try to win with speed if you are using tensors. It cannot match spin capability when compared with tacky rubber.

 

[lodro]

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Tacky rubber for BH will generate more spin and the ball can be slower but more kick and it bounce to the side. If one is not use to this kick + side bounce, one will often mistime and miss the ball completely ( I am guilty as charged ).

This sensation of missing the ball is very fresh in my mind because this week Thurs. game I've just met a player who in the first set, I won him with my usual fast off the bounce counter-drive. In the second, third & final set onwards, he slowed down his game; giving me slow spinny loops with a lot of side spin which made the ball snake to one side. Naturally being the one who is slow to adapt, I lost the game 3-1.

I suppose, I speculate a player who uses a tacky rubber on BH will do just that, but with even snakier outcome making those who are not used to this type of return fall prey to it.

ESN ( God bless ) rubber as my coach puts it, has only one winning property, it's speed. You always win with speed. It cannot match spin capability when compared with tacky rubber.

I don't think you wanted to say : ""You always win with speed""" ---- because you don't 😁

 

[blahness]

D05 is both fast and spinny - no compromise needed (except for short game lol, but I don't really play much short pushes with BH these days anyway)

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I don't think you wanted to say : ""You always win with speed""" ---- because you don't 😁

fixed.

 

[TensorBackhand]

D05 is both fast and spinny - no compromise needed (except for short game lol, but I don't really play much short pushes with BH these days anyway)

D05 is great, but it still doesnt have the weight and penetrating impact of tacky, harder rubbers.

If you are then comparing G1 to tacky rubber, then the spread is even wider.