Is Ai Fukuhara a Villain?

[TensorBackhand]

 

[Ch3nM3ng]

Chiang is trash

 

[TensorBackhand]

Chiang is trash

why?

 

[turbozed]

Sure sounds like it.

There needs to be a very strong reason for a parent to take a child to another country and not allowing the other parent to contact them.

It's one thing to leave your husband for another man but cutting him off from his own child is beyond the pale. The only justifiable reason for that is to take the child away from an abusive situation.

That doesn't appear to be what's happening here. Chiang is doing everything legally he can, and even got a court to order Fukuhara to return the child. A Japanese court ruling for a non-Japanese in a custody situation is proof enough for me that he's in the right here.

 

[ttmonster]

Here's the thing , nobody except the couple knows what actually went down . And even then you will heartwo different versions depending on who you talk to very similar to Kurosawa's Rashomon. I would let the courts work it out, instead of sitting here and judging who is in the right and who is wrong, hoping the child involved in this situation comes out of this with the least possible mental trauma.

 

[NextLevel]

Here's the thing , nobody except the couple knows what actually went down . And even then you will heartwo different versions depending on who you talk to very similar to Kurosawa's Rashomon. I would let the courts work it out, instead of sitting here and judging who is in the right and who is wrong, hoping the child involved in this situation comes out of this with the least possible mental trauma.

This is true about everything in life, but we need to have good guys and bad guys, lol! And whatever the versions, she was the one that cheated on him. And from what I hear, her mother actually stayed in Taiwan and he has the daughter with him, it is the son that he has been unable to see. The court details definitely don't flatter her.

 

[pingpongpaddy]

I reported this thread as repellent gossip. It should not be our role to comment on the private family life of table tennis stars. leave that to the gutter press
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[TensorBackhand]

This is true about everything in life, but we need to have good guys and bad guys, lol! And whatever the versions, she was the one that cheated on him. And from what I hear, her mother actually stayed in Taiwan and he has the daughter with him, it is the son that he has been unable to see. The court details definitely don't flatter her.

I didn't know Ai's mother is in Taiwan. Does she live with Chiang's family?

 

[NextLevel]

I didn't know Ai's mother is in Taiwan. Does she live with Chiang's family?

Ai Fukuhar aaccused of child abduction???

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQamA_GBMGQ&pp=ygUTYWkgZnVrdWhhcmEgYWNjdXNlZA%3D%3D

mytabletennis.net

 

[zeio]

It's been so widely reported in East Asia, especially Japan, Taiwan, and Hong Kong that you can't ignore it.

Chiang Hung-Chieh's side of the argument has been out in the open that mostly matches up whereas Fukuhara's handling of the whole thing has been very secretive and it's been said she tried to cover it up at some point. FWIW, Fukuhara has had a troubled past in previous relationships before marrying Chiang, namely with OYA Hidetoshi (that ultimately got him expelled from the JNT) and NISHIKORI Kei.

 

[NextLevel]

I reported this thread as repellent gossip. It should not be our role to comment on the private family life of table tennis stars. leave that to the gutter press
I

In reality, these are all related to the popularity of TT and keeping TT related news out of TTD because you do not like the nature of the news is an interesting position. Most people don't care about it hence the thread won't get a lot of responses. But actively campaigning against discussing it might be tenable in your part of Europe but these are public personalities in most countries and such reporting and discussion is tied to the hip of celebrity and stardom. In Japanese culture, from what I hear, they view these things like infidelity very seriously and there is social punishment for it. It isn't deemed something purely private.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Ai Fukuhar aaccused of child abduction???

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQamA_GBMGQ&pp=ygUTYWkgZnVrdWhhcmEgYWNjdXNlZA%3D%3D

mytabletennis.net

So Ai abandoned her own wheelchaired mother in Taiwan? That seems very strange.

 

[NextLevel]

So Ai abandoned her own wheelchaired mother in Taiwan? That seems very strange.

@Tony's Table Tennis,

Is there any extra color you can give? Thanks in advance.

 

[turbozed]

I reported this thread as repellent gossip. It should not be our role to comment on the private family life of table tennis stars. leave that to the gutter press
I

I disagree with you for several reasons.

First is that child abduction, although the vast majority stem from private family disputes, are everyone's business. Here in the US, they are so much so everyone's business that everyone receives an alert on their phone when it happens from the government. I would argue child abduction is more repellant than gossip but that's just me.

Second, court orders and proceedings are public record unless sealed. A good attorney and a reasonable court does a good job of making sure unnecessary and sensitive information is sealed (source: I am a lawyer).

 

[ttmonster]

I disagree with you for several reasons.

First is that child abduction, although the vast majority stem from private family disputes, are everyone's business. Here in the US, they are so much so everyone's business that everyone receives an alert on their phone when it happens from the government. I would argue child abduction is more repellant than gossip but that's just me.

Second, court orders and proceedings are public record unless sealed. A good attorney and a reasonable court does a good job of making sure unnecessary and sensitive information is sealed (source: I am a lawyer).

I think there is complexity of International laws mixed in with this ... so its not as black and white as it is being made out to be .. for instance .. check this version of the news ... https://www.hjnews.com/world/in-jap...cle_186afc62-f089-5f1b-a69c-8a724746e6d8.html

Also most of my friends who read either Taiwanese and Chinese media are convinced that Ai is in the wrong .. do we really think that news media is reporting without national bias ? I sincerely doubt we will know the truth from these kind of page 3 reporting...

 

[TensorBackhand]

I think there is complexity of International laws mixed in with this ... so its not as black and white as it is being made out to be .. for instance .. check this version of the news ... https://www.hjnews.com/world/in-jap...cle_186afc62-f089-5f1b-a69c-8a724746e6d8.html

Also most of my friends who read either Taiwanese and Chinese media are convinced that Ai is in the wrong .. do we really think that news media is reporting without national bias ? I sincerely doubt we will know the truth from these kind of page 3 reporting...

Well most of my Japanese friends in Japan seem to think Ai is in the wrong as well. They understand well that any mother wants to be with their children.

But the cheating, the adultery, marrying a married man, abducting children, they don't view well of.

 

[JJ Ng]

FWIW, Fukuhara has had a troubled past in previous relationships before marrying Chiang, namely with OYA Hidetoshi (that ultimately got him expelled from the JNT) and NISHIKORI Kei.

What is up with her relationship with Oya Hidetoshi that got him expelled from JNT?

 

[JJ Ng]

Well most of my Japanese friends in Japan seem to think Ai is in the wrong as well. They understand well that any mother wants to be with their children.

But the cheating, the adultery, marrying a married man, abducting children, they don't view well of.

I think this thread is relevant to this forum. It is like, someone posting a video of Brittany Spears on YouTube and ban any negative comments about her personal life at the bottom of that video.

Now, let not even get into the trouble that ZJK has been facing in China......

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

@Tony's Table Tennis,

Is there any extra color you can give? Thanks in advance.

This is a unpleasant discussion for sure.
I also have a young family and Chiang, a fellow father, has been holding things together for a long time.
Most times when bad things surface, people are quick to think the man is in the wrong and the women is the victim.

I personally think Chiang has been very civil about the matter since Ai's extra-marital affair surface and Ai as everyone knows, has been total silent and only handled matter to save her business and image.

I can't comment on the present, as Chiang has release what he wants the world to know in his media statements. Somehow China loves Ai and western media doesn't cover too much about this whole incident. Japanese and Taiwan netizens seem to be in support of Chiang and disguised by Ai.

But there are some facts and this isn't a gossip

1) Ai was caught with a married man, staying overnight in her house in Japan.
Ai went back to Japan for business (she started a company in Japan), Japanese media saw her going in her house with another man and they only left the next morning.
Ai denied they slept together, and that they slept in two different rooms.
Ai later went on to married this man. This man was also married at the time of the affair and had divorced to marry Ai.

Note, Ai started her young company and spent a lot of time in Japan, while Chiang and the kids was in Taiwan. The kids were still nursing at that time.
The business closed very quickly after and the house was sold. Everyone's life has turned upside down.

2) During the scandal, Ai's mom was in Taiwan all this time, living with Chiang. Ai's mom was in a wheel chair and Chiang continued to share how warm his family is on social media. ie photos of the 2 kids with Ai's mom and Chiang.
This went on for months. Ai didn't return to Taiwan during this time and blamed covid restrictions or something like that. Taiwan had a 2 week mandatory isolation and Ai didn't see that match her schedule.

3) so during this time, both toddlers had no mother. But grandma was there to fill in what the mom voided.
I have no idea how Ai's mom went through all this, since Asian, at least Japanese people have very strong values relating to this kind of matter.
People called Ai a terrible mother and daughter and sacrificed it for another man. Note, no one talked about terrible wife, but focus on the lack of responsiblity as a mother and daughter during this time since what happened between the two couple is their business, however mother and kids are innocent parties.

4) Grandma Ai left to go back to Japan, as the marriage is heading towards a divorce. Chiang, at least in the public image continued to be civil about Ai's mom staying with them. There was also photos of a send off at the airport with the Chiangs and Ai's mom. At that moment, I thought Ai's mom would go back to Japan and try and save the marriage.

5) They divorced. Ai was in Japan when this happened
Ai has been very secretive over the whole matter. Obviously she has a full PR team and strong legal team since being a famous kid.
Chiang is just another every day person and new to this "stardom"

6) Then Ai returned to Taiwan to visit the kids. Chiang kept everything secretively and didn't announce that Ai was returning. It was said that the son went back to Japan with Ai to stay for the summer, but next we know, Chiang announced that Ai has gone radio silent and he can't reach his son and the son isn't coming back apparently and Chiang turned towards a slow legal route and that is been a year or so now.

7) Chiang claimed that when Ai was in Japan all this time and both kids with him. The kids and Ai had video calls daily and continue to keep the door open between mother and kids. Chiang claimed he has not spoken to his son for a year now.

Now, i'm not sure what ugly part of this divorce has caused what has happened today, since there are always two sides to any story, but Chiang has shared family photos, while Ai's one was only leaked from Japanese paparazzi.
Ai seem to remove all Chiang's photos, while Chiang still have family photos posted on his social media.

Ai has always been famous and in the spotlight. Has all the PR manager and Agents to guide her along the way.
Chiang is very different. Chiang, could of become the next Taiwan no1, the next Chuang Chih Yuan (Lin Yunju was still a baby then)
Chiang was a kid prodigy and made the Taiwanese senior team the same age as Lin.
In fact Chiang was the record holder until Lin "tied" it. There has been a new kid now that has broken this record (leave that to another day to discuss), but Chiang could of been very famous, had he not injure himself and couldn't recover fully to the same level and slowly dropped out as a competitive athlete.

Chiang has always been good looking and tall (for Asian standards). A very mismatch (and i'm not just talking wealth) from the get go, but love does bring wonders. According to media, Ai has always dated tall guys.

End of the day, sad with how the daughter (living with Chiang) does not have a mother. And the son (living with Ai) does not have a father.
Ai has remarried. Chiang haven't. Ai is now WTT Japan General Manager.
Chiang went back to work for his "mother TT team", Taiwan Co-op Bank TT team, and does do commercials/filming on the side.

Chiang actually came and sat with our team during a tournament in April. He actually sat next to me, but I don't know him in person. He is good friends with one of the coaches in our team (his senior brother, from the same tt base).
Chiang has a lot of energy and always has a smile. I have no idea how he can be so strong amidst his personal family battle - of which he doesn't talk about in person.

I can't say who is wrong, but kids are being punished. I hope both parents can allow kids to be kids and adult up about parenthood.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

What is up with her relationship with Oya Hidetoshi that got him expelled from JNT?

that's a question I would never dare to ask him...

IMO he wasn't in just because he wasn't good enough... Kishikawa, Mizutani, Yoshimura, Niwa, Matsudaira were all better than him. And probably a few others as well, look at his results.

I don't think he was "expelled". He still seemed to be receiving a little bit of money to go to ITTF opens and to receive invites in internal qualification tournaments ?
do you have any proof ?

btw i heard many other rumors about Ai-chan... with Ryusuke Sakamoto as well. looks like she had fun times back then and perhaps didn't change much as an adult