Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[hclnnkhg]

one of my friend has bought a Bloom Spin recently and 729 has registered this rubber to ITTF though, I'm ordering a Bloom Arc right now, let's see if this too has been registered or not

Only power and spin is registered. And I accidentally bought a sheet of Bloom spin that was the non-ITTF approved version. If you care about this issue, just stay away from Bloom.

 

[TensorBackhand]

If I had to test one of these rubbers, what is the top of thr line D09c equivalent?

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/best-chinese-alternatives-to-d09c-tier-list.31883/

That's what this is for

 

[mattlamperouge]

ok nice, G1 and Rakza 9 are good rubbers to compare with.

But basically the rubber feels fast to you? also Diamond itself is made by ESN isn't it?

It feels fast, but linear & controlable, not that bouncy like Mxp, M1 or tenergy 64. It doesnt say "tensor" on the topsheet

 

[TensorBackhand]

It feels fast, but linear & controlable, not that bouncy like Mxp, M1 or tenergy 64. It doesnt say "tensor" on the topsheet

i wonder if its similar to moon 12

 

[mattlamperouge]

i wonder if its similar to moon 12

I dont think so based on reviews & @Attitude experience with both rubbers, but i dont have moon 12 to test

 

[TensorBackhand]

I dont think so based on reviews & @Attitude experience with both rubbers, but i dont have moon 12 to test

How do you think its different?

 

[Attitude]

I dont think so based on reviews & @Attitude experience with both rubbers, but i dont have moon 12 to test

Moon 12 is way softer(even on the hardest spec i think), more dynamic/livelier and compensates way better in every aspect. Moon 12 is a good tool for almost every level, but i dont see a beginner for example doing anything good with europe diamond.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I see Arthur Asia selling for just $17 on Ali now. I know that I didn't like it the first time I tried it, but maybe now is a good time to re-test it.

It used to sell for like $35, so it's fairly cheap now.

 

[mattlamperouge]

I see Arthur Asia selling for just $17 on Ali now. I know that I didn't like it the first time I tried it, but maybe now is a good time to re-test it.

It used to sell for like $35, so it's fairly cheap now.

Thats really cheap actually. Actual price should be around $25. I didnt test it yet, but i saw some videos on bilibili & it seems good, I wasn't so keen to try it because of the negative reviews here, but Arthur diamond isnt that heavy for example. Europe seems heavier.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Thats really cheap actually. Actual price should be around $25. I didnt test it yet, but i saw some videos on bilibili & it seems good, I wasn't so keen to try it because of the negative reviews here, but Arthur diamond isnt that heavy for example. Europe seems heavier.

Yeah? What did reviews on bilibili say about it?

I was thinking of maybe getting 1 asia and 1 diamond. Maybe there will be more sales on singles day..

 

[TensorBackhand]

Thats really cheap actually. Actual price should be around $25. I didnt test it yet, but i saw some videos on bilibili & it seems good, I wasn't so keen to try it because of the negative reviews here, but Arthur diamond isnt that heavy for example. Europe seems heavier.

I wonder how the sellers set their prices? Maybe the Loki recommends selling for $25, but then they lower the price to $17 when they notice it isn't selling. So they just sell it at zero or low margin.

 

[mocker88]

Ok so i tested Arthur Europe Diamond a bit, mainly on BH. Glued on W81 pro external Alc.
Packaging looks pretty good, Weight: 68g uncut 50g cut

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Topsheet looks high quality, Non tacky, Good grip.
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Sponge has medium large pores, it isnt that hard but its quite firm, it came with some tension, slight curve & all edges lift a little. i feel it could take a thin layer of booster really well.


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Opinion: it plays well, the rubber has catapult but is somewhat linear, its easier for me to serve & short touch, than for example tenergy 64. its harder to engage properly.
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On Bh i can execute the basic techniques without problem, it has good speed & stability for blocks, Spin feel fine.

Higher arc than T64, im not a great bh lopper but open ups vs underspin didnt feel that hard, Drives & blocks are fast but controllable. Tested by a more Bh oriented player that uses T25, he could produce good quality spin when brushing the ball & speed mid distance. close to the table it behaves great.

On Fh felt easier to play than other euro/japs since it isnt that bouncy. not my rubber though but i could play some good loops vs underspin & it can kill the ball ond 3rd attacks.
Overrall it feels good quality, im not used to this types of rubbers but it perform pretty good nonetheless.

@Attitude i know you said you didnt like this rubber, but i would love to hear to what Esn/jap rubber you could compare it to.
@mocker88 you tested this rubber aswell right? what rubbers from other brands would yo say are similar?
I tested for a little time my friend viscaria with G-1 on both sides, & i remember it felt somewhat similar at some atributes.

No sorry. I haven't tried this one. Thank you for sharing

 

[Egon]

Hi all! A few words about Loki N 80 rubber.
I don't know what happened, but this rubber started playing!
Previously, several attempts to play with this rubber ended in failure. I tried playing without a booster and with a booster on different blades, but I didn't get any results - the ball came off the rubber very early and I couldn't create spin and speed, and I didn't have the control I needed. In general, I was disappointed with the H80 and it seemed to me that it was a failure rubber, but a week ago I took off the Jupiter 3 for boosting and for training I stuck the H80 on the gaming blade, since it was the first one that came to hand. Immediately I was very surprised at how this rubber began to play! The speed and rotation when performing an average speed topspin is at the level of Jupiter 3, but with intensification, the speed and rotation increase by an order of magnitude, the same thing happens with counter topspins, and control also increases. My partner sometimes did not have time to catch the ball when strengthening, although we only played on the right diagonal! Passive reception is very controllable due to the low response to incoming rotation, I think this is due to the short shutter speed. The launch angle is low, but this is normal for a forehand rubber. The weight of Loki N80 when cut is 47 grams, which is 3 grams lower than that of Jupiter 3, which is also a big plus. There was also an increase in the score game with my regular opponents. I see the balls being much faster and with more spin, especially with counter topspin and power while the passive game remains in control.
My guess as to why this happens.
1. Blade. Loki H80 goes well with a blade with internal layers of carbon and fairly soft Sipo wood on the surface. With the outer carbon and koto and limbo wood, as I have tried before, it is very stiff. Most likely this rubber will play well with Hinoki.
2. Ball. During this time, plastic balls 40+ have changed. It is likely that this rubber plays exactly with the Dj ball from DHS exactly as intended.
3. I am. This rubber reveals its potential at high speeds and rotations, and apparently earlier I was not ready to reveal its potential.

 

[mattlamperouge]

No sorry. I haven't tried this one. Thank you for sharing

My bad! I saw you mention it in a couple of threads, so I assumed you tested the rubber. 😅☺️

 

[mocker88]

My bad! I saw you mention it in a couple of threads, so I assumed you tested the rubber. 😅☺️

Ah yes I did. It was only what I read and heard about this one.

 

[JustANoob]

How does Loki Arthur China feel away from the table?

 

[TensorBackhand]

How does Loki Arthur China feel away from the table?

Hard, quite linear, but it has enough power to play well from away from the table.

 

[Attitude]

How does Loki Arthur China feel away from the table?

Hardly depends on your blade, technique and power.

For example it feels really fast but still controllable with my Vsea, and i can do almost everything on fh with it. For bh it is too slow for higher level gameplay. Usually ppl can block and even counter my bh openings too ez, and i have to perform serious strokes to hit decent quality shots.

On outer ALC it even gets too fast, arc too flat so there come some unforced errors up, from time to time. On bh however i almost have the same feeling i have with it on fh on the Vsea. Flips and openings become really dangerous. Way faster with nearly perfect arc and way deeper into the table.

So for me it feels great from away from the table because i usually can hit as hard as i want and i get almost everything back on the table with great amounts of spin and speed.
But yeah, it depends^^

 

[Emin]

Rxton 9 arrived today.




Looks very cool and quite high quality
sealed package like the H3 Neo.
glue layer on the back with a plastic sheet on it, like H3 Neo.
Total weight 95g with entire packaging,
with the sheet on the back 71, without 69g.

I will probably apply 1 boost this evening and next one tomorrow morning.
After that we will see.
I should take the plastic sheet on top off as well for boosting right? it makes sense to me but this one chinese former national guy did it with it still on so I am not quite sure

It will most likely go on my Ebony topply, inner zlc blade.

Looks promising, I am a little excited.
I got it for 29 Euros, will update once i get to test it.

PS: I got a Battle 3 as well, might take some time to test it but thats something as well
( Got way too many black rubbers now, anyone got ideas?)

 

[TensorBackhand]

Rxton 9 arrived today.

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Looks very cool and quite high quality
sealed package like the H3 Neo.
glue layer on the back with a plastic sheet on it, like H3 Neo.
Total weight 95g with entire packaging,
with the sheet on the back 71, without 69g.

I will probably apply 1 boost this evening and next one tomorrow morning.
After that we will see.
I should take the plastic sheet on top off as well for boosting right? it makes sense to me but this one chinese former national guy did it with it still on so I am not quite sure

It will most likely go on my Ebony topply, inner zlc blade.

Looks promising, I am a little excited.
I got it for 29 Euros, will update once i get to test it.

PS: I got a Battle 3 as well, might take some time to test it but thats something as well
( Got way too many black rubbers now, anyone got ideas?)

They say Rxton 9 is already factory boosted. You should've tested it unboosted first to see how well the factory boost is.