1-ply Hinoki with sticky rubber?

[Lazer]

In my mind forfeits the purpose of a good feeling. Just got a Nittaku Miyabi and it feels as expected blazingly fast so what is a good sloooow rubber for it, inverted of course and what happens if I put a sticky rubber on it?

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

T05 fx

 

[Lazer]

T05 fx

No F…n way, just look at what it did to you.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

In my mind forfeits the purpose of a good feeling. Just got a Nittaku Miyabi and it feels as expected blazingly fast so what is a good sloooow rubber for it, inverted of course and what happens if I put a sticky rubber on it?

Cheers
K-zr

Elderly players need to use elderly compatible equipment, don't be a hero and use product designed for 19 year old elite / collegiate athletes.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

No F…n way, just look at what it did to you.

Cheers
L-zr

Happiness is when a little touch and the rubber does the rest for you. Driving a daddy type Toyota Camry automatic gear car can also be fun, you don't need a six speed manual WRX STI.

 

[Lazer]

Happiness is when a little touch and the rubber does the rest for you. Driving a daddy type Toyota Camry automatic gear car can also be fun, you don't need a six speed manual WRX STI.View attachment 30510

I used to have a player with a similar attitude in one of my clubs. He came dragging along a primo carb with T05 on both sides. It was enough to put a little pressure on him and he hits ball long…
Don’t what happened but he disappeared… I tried to tell him but he just wouldn’t listen…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Lazer]

It’s not a loopers blade, topspin drives shall be OK though. (A loop to me as when the spin rate is higher than the speed). I think it’s wrong to classify everything else than flat hits as loops.
In my world a drive always has a small degree of top spin.

So I’m thinking something online with Mark V 1.5. Thin so you get close to the wood for Hinoki feel. Or something similar.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

It’s not a loopers blade, topspin drives shall be OK though. (A loop to me as when the spin rate is higher than the speed). I think it’s wrong to classify everything else than flat hits as loops.
In my world a drive always has a small degree of top spin.

What is the difference between 'topspin' and 'loop' in table tennis?

Sometimes you hear people call an attacking shot a ‘topspin’. Other times you hear people call an attacking shot a ‘loop’. Are they different? If so, how? Essentially we are talking about this same thing. Almost all attacking shots will have an element of topspin. Some will have lots of topspin...

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This is Sensei Tom Loziak's view on loop vs drive. See if his view matches yours or not.

So I’m thinking something online with Mark V 1.5. Thin so you get close to the wood for Hinoki feel. Or something similar.

Cheers
L-zr

Mark V should work. I used Butterfly Flextra and it worked wonderfully as a looping rubber. However, after six sessions I notice my shoulder getting sore. It is then I realized I cannot live without tensor. Non-tensor = more strength use = more joint soreness = more downtime = less fun. Ol'skool non-tensor grippy rubber is a looper's delight though.

The reels below: I was using Butterfly Flextra on both sides.

 

[Lazer]

I take a more traditional view. These days they call everything a loop I can not agree with this. Most modern loops are to me topspin drives.

I don’t see much topspin in your attempts. If you used a slower and a little more bendy blade it will help you in your progress…

Your technique doesn’t match the blade. You need short movements and you need to hit the ball earlier. On FH you have a tendency to wait until the ball is low. This is good for a high topspin hit but you have the wrong blade for this.

Your blade has an extreme catapult, so you don’t need a long swing and the earlier you hit the ball the more pressure you put your opponent under.

One more thing Tenergy works best hitting through the rubber so if you can handle it, an excellent match for your blade but I know I can’t.

If you want to use it, shorten you movements , hit the ball early just like an old School jap style.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Haraold]

The Bluestar Series might be too fast for a single ply,but on my 5ply hinoki it is an awsome FH rubber.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Just got a Nittaku Miyabi and it feels as expected blazingly fast so what is a good sloooow rubber for it, inverted of course and what happens if I put a sticky rubber on it?

I use 1-ply hinoki blades with Chinese rubber and I LOVE the feeling. I've also tried Rasanter R45 on it and it didn't feel nearly as good. I could see Mark V being a good choice, but I'd really encourage you to try Chinese rubbers. Chinese rubbers really let you grab the ball for a long time and "throw" the ball where you want it. The control is incredible and the spin makes a very curvy arc. It feels amazing for looping behind the table, and you can create fast spinny shots from 10-15 feet back. I can't recommend it enough.

I don't think Chinese rubber "dampens" the feeling of the wood -- if anything it enhances the feeling. I use 2.2mm thickness on both sides, with hardness of 40-41 degrees.

If you're very precise, you can even do these "false loops" where you hit the ball so lightly that your hand comes in front of the ball. It's very confusing for the opponents because it looks like you're hitting the ball with your elbow.

Personally I like Skyline 2, but I know this is not everyone's favorite. Hurricane 3 (blue sponge) also feels amazing. So does Xu Xin's new rubber, Xuperman Powerplay-X.

Give it a try, I am curious to see what you think!

 

[Haraold]

I would try a Tensor,tacky and especially a Hybrid.
You have at least one of each lying around @Lazer from knowing your EJ-Virus.
What i can say is on the BTY KIso Hinoki V the Bluestar is a dream,and I was afraid of the 52.5 esn shore.
And I consider the A1 a Hybrid,plays softer as i thought,and has a grippier surface as the Bluegrip series.

 

[Haraold]

I use 1-ply hinoki blades with Chinese rubber and I LOVE the feeling. I've also tried Rasanter R45 on it and it didn't feel nearly as good. Chinese rubbers really let you grab the ball for a long time and "throw" the ball where you want it. The control is unreal. Absolutely incredible for looping behind the table. I can't recommend it enough.

If you're very precise, you can even do these "false loops" where you hit the ball so lightly that your hand comes in front of the ball. Very confusing for the opponents because it looks like you're hitting the ball with your elbow.

Personally I have really come to like Skyline 2, but I know this is not everyone's favorite. Hurricane 3 (blue sponge) also feels amazing. So does Xu Xin's new rubber, Xuperman Powerplay-X.

Give it a try, I am curious to see what you think!

is the Skyline 2 still as tacky as it was?some of the DHS Rubbers,don´t seem to have the tackiness they once had.
I only played the Skyline from a Clubmade on a Re-Impact Custom made Blade flared but with propeller graded at 30% or so.
It was a blast in Spinplay,but it was really tacky,the new hurricanes have lost that i suppose.
Geospin Tacky might be the most tacky rubber i have seen,you use double inverted @greenbeanmachine ?

 

[greenbeanmachine]

I would try a Tensor,tacky and especially a Hybrid.

This would be amazing if you can control it. I imagine it's nice on 5-ply, but for 1-ply it may be too fast. I've tried Tibhar Hybrid K3 and Dignics 09c on 1-ply hinoki and couldn't control it at all.

is the Skyline 2 still as tacky as it was?

Unfortunately no but I still really like it and haven't found anything better. I can pick up the ball with it and hold it for 5-10 seconds. Tacky enough, I think. But I would still prefer tackier.

It was a blast in Spinplay, but it was really tacky, the new hurricanes have lost that i suppose.

Yeah I wish they were still really tacky

Geospin Tacky might be the most tacky rubber i have seen, you use double inverted @greenbeanmachine ?

Yes, I use double inverted. I've never tried Geospin Tacky -- would you recommend it?

 

[Haraold]

This would be amazing if you can control it. I imagine it's nice on 5-ply, but for 1-ply it may be too fast. I've tried Tibhar Hybrid K3 and Dignics 09c on 1-ply hinoki and couldn't control it at all.


Unfortunately no but I still really like it and haven't found anything better. I can pick up the ball with it and hold it for 5-10 seconds. Tacky enough, I think. But I would still prefer tackier.


Yeah I wish they were still really tacky


Yes, I use double inverted. I've never tried Geospin Tacky -- would you recommend it?

well the Geospin i have played one a few sessions,but i clubmate of mine loves it (And Stiga Neos Tacky),and when i first saw this kind of tack,i told him jokingly he should use the Speedglue on the blade and sponge not the other way around,lol.
I paused TT for a long time but was not bad in my youth,played Landesliga and was s Bavarion champ,then got to south german then german national championship.
But that was in the 90s,then came maturity or Sex,Drugs and Rock´n roll and i paused almost for 25 years,started again when corona hit the world,during corona lol.
SO it was a Tough time for all of us,and then you think about mortality and what you love and then TT came back into my life,i love the sport still.
sry for making a whole book about me in your question,but i have never played much equipment that a lot of you guys played during my break.
So i can´t really tell if its as viable,but it is cheap and he said its still as tacky and cheap.
I myself have as funny as it sounds problems with sticky rubbers,cause i mess up my dwelltime and release.But i know the feeleing if you hit the ball as Heavy TS or SIdetopspin,nd boy you get lots of spin with it,
But i was more of a Powerspinplayer with more forward motion and good rotation but precision and speed was more important for me,well i will upload a friendly match soon against an Old ANti Player ,then we can get tpps or the usual you are old now play accordingly,lol.

He also Swears by the Stiga Neos Tacky!!,and hast at least 50 of them at home new,so he can play it till the end of time.Maybe this is also a rubber you might like if you can get your hands on via ebay or old stocks.
Oh man,sry @Lazer for derailing.

 

[General_Specific]

I have been trying out a Miyabi with Sieger PK50 on the forehand. It works because the throw angle is high. Low throw angle rubbers don't work on this type of blade. It does not matter if it is tacky or non-tacky, that's personal preference. For example, Hurricane 2 won't work well but Hurricane 3 could work.

 

[skibiditoilet]

I use 1-ply hinoki blades with Chinese rubber and I LOVE the feeling. I've also tried Rasanter R45 on it and it didn't feel nearly as good. I could see Mark V being a good choice, but I'd really encourage you to try Chinese rubbers. Chinese rubbers really let you grab the ball for a long time and "throw" the ball where you want it. The control is incredible and the spin makes a very curvy arc. It feels amazing for looping behind the table, and you can create fast spinny shots from 10-15 feet back. I can't recommend it enough.

I don't think Chinese rubber "dampens" the feeling of the wood -- if anything it enhances the feeling. I use 2.2mm thickness on both sides, with hardness of 40-41 degrees.

If you're very precise, you can even do these "false loops" where you hit the ball so lightly that your hand comes in front of the ball. It's very confusing for the opponents because it looks like you're hitting the ball with your elbow.

Personally I like Skyline 2, but I know this is not everyone's favorite. Hurricane 3 (blue sponge) also feels amazing. So does Xu Xin's new rubber, Xuperman Powerplay-X.

Give it a try, I am curious to see what you think!

chinese rubbers are ok with hinoki if you are using two rubbers. (with rpb)
if it is just a one sided racket, i really didn't enjoy chinese rubbers on it. tpb was terrible.

also a lot of koreans do the false loop lol, so much dwell time that you finish your movement before the ball even touches the table

 

[Lazer]

I would try a Tensor,tacky and especially a Hybrid.
You have at least one of each lying around @Lazer from knowing your EJ-Virus.
What i can say is on the BTY KIso Hinoki V the Bluestar is a dream,and I was afraid of the 52.5 esn shore.
And I consider the A1 a Hybrid,plays softer as i thought,and has a grippier surface as the Bluegrip series.

Too fast for me.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Lazer]

chinese rubbers are ok with hinoki if you are using two rubbers. (with rpb)
if it is just a one sided racket, i really didn't enjoy chinese rubbers on it. tpb was terrible.

also a lot of koreans do the false loop lol, so much dwell time that you finish your movement before the ball even touches the table

I got all 3 types, handshake, c-pen and a Nittaku excellent j-pen also 9mm. I have Rakza7 on the j-pen and it’s a rocket. I woulk like something slower on the others. Chinese untacky is fine I guess, and I like it thin to get the best feel for the wood. I need rubbers on both sides even on the j-pen…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Haraold]

Too fast for me.

Cheers
L-zr

well i would try a Hybrid,you play the Tibhar hybrid,what about the fx?or maybe those new Vega pro or korea about 42,5 shore is your thing?have you tried Bluegrip and Acuda s2 already?I would also try the Factive or Rozena if you want to stabilize or prioritise consistency with it,i wouldn´t go back to the old Mark V or that generation.the new Entry level tensors are that generation for the polyball,but that is just my opinion.