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Yesterday I played with my Treiber FI setup with Battle 39 on FH and Yinhe Super Kim LP 1.1 on BH. First real test for me with this setup and playing LP competitively.

Overal pleasant experience with this setup, still adjusting to LP but I already felt quite comfortable.

As for the Battle 3 39, I like it a lot. I have adjusted well to it and it's gonna be my main stay FH rubber. However, the 39 on the Treiber blade is harder then I'd prefer to play with, with the Treiber being a quite hard blade by itself.

Therefore I will be putting the sheet of B3 39 on my Butterfly BalsaCarbo blade and discard the B3 40 I have on that, as that will never be of a comfortable hardness even after break in. I will be glueing a sheet of B3 38 to my Treiber blade and see what that brings!
 
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Another session later and even though it was quite warm, there was not too much humidity and the rubber behaved like on the first day I tried it. Still not sticky but at least playable with a good range of rotation/speed combinations.

I can only imagine how the sticky versions of this rubber would benefit my game even more.
 
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Another session later and even though it was quite warm, there was not too much humidity and the rubber behaved like on the first day I tried it. Still not sticky but at least playable with a good range of rotation/speed combinations.

I can only imagine how the sticky versions of this rubber would benefit my game even more.
This rubber is not very sticky....and this is the best advantage of the rubber.......( Slap my forehead meme).


And I played with sieger pk50 too..


Battle 3 39 is not spin sensitive like Hurricane 3 National
Battle 3 is not playin well with limba outer ply blades because the level of tension in the rubber is weak...
Battle 3 has more than OK spin but less than Battle 2 National.
The biggest advantage is the semi sticky topsheet, your opponent see wall on your forehand : Blocking and counter shots is like piece of cake, when you have enough time, topspin is like bullet.
Control when you try to force an active topspin game is average because the rubber has weak material penetration but we talk about 25$ rubber.
If I need better ball penetration I will buy Dignics 09 c. If I need more spin I will buy Hurricane 3 National.
If I need cheap better offensive forehand rubber I will buy Battle 2 National.
The feeling of the rubber is weak. You are playing with cardboard on your forehand but this is normal.... You want that feeling buy expensive rubber....
But this is game is all about short game, blocking, counter smash and this rubber has 11/10 in this category
 

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that is comparing two different worlds. It will be way easier, since the hardness of G09c is much higher than Battle 3's sponge.
OK, let's say 39d, which is about 52 ESN or 42 BTY like G09c. Glayzer has very elastic top sheet, which grabs ball really well, likely not the best for powerful topspin to topspin rallies but works well in over the table and close to the table game.
 
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This rubber is not very sticky....and this is the best advantage of the rubber.......( Slap my forehead meme).
If you can lift a ball with it, i would call it sticky enough. Perhaps your experience differs from the others in the thread. Tomorrow my DHS 301Z will be delivered with a 39 and 40 degree version of Battle 3. I will try the 39° version first and see if it is more sticky than the old 38° version i got on my W968
The feeling of the rubber is weak. You are playing with cardboard on your forehand but this is normal.... You want that feeling buy expensive rubber....
Unfortunately it really feels like wet cardboard, when hitting the ball. It is a worlds difference to other similar hard rubbers like PK50, Rakza Z or even Genextion.

But this is game is all about short game, blocking, counter smash and this rubber has 11/10 in this category
My game is more about short game and looping, but nearly no counter smashing nor blocking. I experience the Battle 3 to be able to generate a wide gammut of balls from very spinny high arc to pretty straight and piercing power loops. The short game is also pretty nice.

If it wasn't for that weird feeling, i think i would be in love with the rubber. For now i just like that it encourages active play and that i can play it very intuitively.
 
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If you can lift a ball with it, i would call it sticky enough. Perhaps your experience differs from the others in the thread. Tomorrow my DHS 301Z will be delivered with a 39 and 40 degree version of Battle 3. I will try the 39° version first and see if it is more sticky than the old 38° version i got on my W968

Unfortunately it really feels like wet cardboard, when hitting the ball. It is a worlds difference to other similar hard rubbers like PK50, Rakza Z or even Genextion.


My game is more about short game and looping, but nearly no counter smashing nor blocking. I experience the Battle 3 to be able to generate a wide gammut of balls from very spinny high arc to pretty straight and piercing power loops. The short game is also pretty nice.

If it wasn't for that weird feeling, i think i would be in love with the rubber. For now i just like that it encourages active play and that i can play it very intuitively.
Yeah sieger pk50 is lively rubber but very spin sensitive
If you need looping rubbers battle 3 is not one of the rubbers
 
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Yeah sieger pk50 is lively rubber but very spin sensitive
If you need looping rubbers battle 3 is not one of the rubbers
tbh, your assessment of the rubber is pretty much the opposite of Dario Grds review. He says that the rubber is good for looping and spinning and rather average for smashes and blocks.
 
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Mk hybrid pro, k3, mxd, bluestorm Pro, tenergy 05.....i can name more than 10 rubbers better in looping game but nothing is better than counter smashing with B3 and this rubber is unstoppable. B3 looping is not gentle, you are not playing soft it is more like power looping..it means I used 100% my power to get the best from rubber and then the ball has maybe the highest ceilling but still opponent can block you.
 
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After a session of mainly Matchplay with the H301z + H39 Battle 3 I am a bit disappointed. Short game is magnificent, looping from half distance is also pretty good, but that's it.
I did not find the courage to loop close table with it and resorted to win games by serve receive and short game primarily.

The feeling is still like wet cardboard.

I will give this setup a few more tries, but right now it feels like a Rakza Z EH with worse feeling and higher throw
 
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Has anyone tried it with Falco booster?
Since my main sheet got bubbled up and I bought 2 more from @harty I boosted a new one with FTL mainly so it sticks to the glue (since out of the packet it peels off the glue like it's nothing, glue stays on the wood). And that issue was solved immediately, the rubber didn't come off my racket just by looking at it, in fact, the glue held excellent.
The FTL did dome the rubber, but didn't have that much effect to be honest.
Now I gave it a layer of Seamoon and the difference is night and day. Seamoon is the way to go. Before I used Winion booster and that works too, but Seamoon is more aggressive.



So new sheet of B3 @40 deg, cut to Cybershape 48g with the FTL boost. That is stupid light. That's like H3 national blue sponge light. So on normal racket that would be around 46-7g.

So now I add a layer of Seamoon too and after glueing it will be around 50-51g but that is still fantastic.

So I tried a few things recently since the bubbled up B3 and summer break kind of teases me of trying shit out.
First it was Xuperman Powerplay-X pro. Had glue layer, smelled bad, so I assumed it was factory boosted and perhaps it is, but not enough. I'd probably give it 2 layer of light seamoon out of the pack. Is it a good rubber? Well kind of. I kind of like it and hate it at the same time. It's not dead slow but not particularly spinny either. After some Seamoon it must be pretty good tho. I might try that out later. Not that light tbh, around 52-54g so... Topsheet feels pretty good and durable but not that elastic. Serves are like meeeeeeeh.

Tried RZEH again. Dang my 2nd black sheet of RZEH is so terrible. Even on the Sanwei PBO blade it's slow. Like light hit is fine, but once you start hitting fracking hard it's dead. And it has a very high release angle. I hate that it arcs everything. I want razor sharp angles, I need to feel the top of the net. I want the ball kissing the top of the net and also kissing the end white line. With RZEH, no chance... Maybe some softener booser would help it. Also heavy, 55g on normal blade. It is irredeemable.

Piny Fang Cui, blue sponge. I think it's made by Double Fish despite the fact that the company is registered to Tianjin, which is 729 manufacturing site too (RITC, the T is for Tianjin). But it smells like Double Fish rubber. The tophseet is very nice in fact. The sponge is very nice. It sucks booster like a dried-up Nun in the Sahara after a good old 3-4 days of UV shock therapy. It's fast, it has spin as well but it has 60g weight boosted on a Cybershape. Oh good old Hurrican 3 Turbo Blue memories. So in fact I recommend this but only with like V11 on the backhand or something light.

Sanwei National Target (new), this is a pretty nice rubber too. Not that spinny, but very stable, very slow on light contact due to stickiness and because the sponge is kind of soft and eats the ball well it is fast once it hits down on the blade. It's light too so 50g-ish on Cybershape that is totally cool. I have nothing bad to say, and it's just a good out of the packet rubber, it ticks all boxes and more. Is it the best at anything? Not really, but it is good enough.

Yasaka Rising Dragon 2, light, pored sponge, good speed, semi-sticky, bit bouncy, not particularly spinny. Eh... Dunno I didn't like it much to be honest. I can use it, it's light, it's good enough, but literally has no outstanding qualities. I would probably recommend it to people wanting to try sticky rubbers for the first time.

Loki Arthur China 40deg, again good weight, sticky, pored sponge, good speed, sticky, bit bouncy and decent spin. LAC 40deg kind of shouts at me that it's so similar to Rising Dragon 2. If someone told me Loki makes both I would not be surprised. They are not the same but so similar that I don't even care to make to distinguish. Also LAC durability is a huge question mark. It can bubble up in hours.

B3 still has that awesome serve advantage that so far I never seen. Maybe normal Tenergy has that too but B3 doesn't have the receiving disadvantage at the same time. Maybe I can do more magic with D05 or T05H to Mantra Pro XH or maybe with some of the previously mentioned rubbers that I cannot do with B3, but I can't serve with them like I can with B3 and a good serve that is returned in the net or high or wide etc is awesome since maybe I don't need so much magic with B3, I can smash higher balls that need less magic or just sit back and enjoy my opponent burn. Not to say B3 is worse at quick attack than the previous, it is not. But maybe needs more effort and more correct technique. If you have a good swing B3 is great. If you don't well then it's into the maybe territory.
B3 topsheet quality for me is the best I had so far. It is very strong, it doesn't slip. Most of these rubbers if you hit very thinly without impact the stickiness turns into grease. So with these rubbers you need impact or else you just hear the rubber squeak and ball goes into the bottom of the net.
Granted I use seamless balls, maybe DHS is better. But B3 doesn't do that, so it allows rubbing the ball and hitting it dead on.
kinda agree with the tacky surface has some deep relationship with the topsheet, I noticed that the more I boost my H3, the stickier it becomes.
This is tricky since I also think if one uses Seamoon or Winion (I never tried Kailin or Dianchi) the topsheet kind of melts together and gets more sticky. I don't have a better way to say than melts together.
If you boost ESN hybrid with FTL the stickiness will be gone. Boosting ESN hybrid feels futile (or needs special booster)
 
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Woah it's rare to see something truly different when it comes to TT rubber but two different layers of hardness in the same sponge?

This is very intriguing stuff!
Moreover the inner sponge can be either softer or harder than outer. It's very puzzling.
B3 ranked No. 1 in revision.net
Not many review yet + initial wow effect.
 
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