Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[mattlamperouge]

So i ordered some products including a couple Telson 100, kirin 1 & 3 Telson China & Speed. I will share my thoughts once i test them.

I got some info: Kirin rubbers will be their main value non sticky line suitable for backhand. For now they have stock of kirin 1 & 3 both red & black. T3 SPEED discontinued, T3 carbon only small quantities / remaining stock.
TELSON 100 is their top line grippy rubber for BH with great response & feedback from professional/advanced players.
ARTHUR SERIES will stay, marketed to advanced players.

Also apparently Rxton 9 & Telson 100 Sell quite well & are basically sold out as soon as they are produced. 🤔🤪

 

[TensorBackhand]

So i ordered some products including a couple Telson 100, kirin 1 & 3 Telson China & Speed. I will share my thoughts once i test them.

I got some info: Kirin rubbers will be their main value non sticky line suitable for backhand. For now they have stock of kirin 1 & 3 both red & black. T3 SPEED discontinued, T3 carbon only small quantities / remaining stock.
TELSON 100 is their top line grippy rubber for BH with great response & feedback from professional/advanced players.
ARTHUR SERIES will stay, marketed to advanced players.

Also apparently Rxton 9 & Telson 100 Sell quite well & are basically sold out as soon as they are produced. 🤔🤪

So does that mean Kirin series is their replacement for T3? Does it use the same or similar topsheet? (sounds like it)

Telson 100 sounds cool. Would like to get a sheet on a big sale.

Glad arthur is staying. Arthur China and Asia are both excellent. But again, if Arthur is for advanced players, what is the purpose of Rxton 7?

 

[turbozed]

So i ordered some products including a couple Telson 100, kirin 1 & 3 Telson China & Speed. I will share my thoughts once i test them.

I got some info: Kirin rubbers will be their main value non sticky line suitable for backhand. For now they have stock of kirin 1 & 3 both red & black. T3 SPEED discontinued, T3 carbon only small quantities / remaining stock.
TELSON 100 is their top line grippy rubber for BH with great response & feedback from professional/advanced players.
ARTHUR SERIES will stay, marketed to advanced players.

Also apparently Rxton 9 & Telson 100 Sell quite well & are basically sold out as soon as they are produced. 🤔🤪

Happy that LAC is staying. My FH rubber for the near future. One sheet is at 60+ hours and looking fresh still. Somehow it's both grippy and fast at the same time. Really catches the ball and shoots it out to where I want it to go.

I've gotten lucky with no bubbling issues from the bad batches last year. Given how Loki fixed the weak glue issue on the Rxton 3 Blue, I'm confident in ordering new batches of LAC.

 

[mattlamperouge]

So does that mean Kirin series is their replacement for T3? Does it use the same or similar topsheet? (sounds like it)

Telson 100 sounds cool. Would like to get a sheet on a big sale.

Glad arthur is staying. Arthur China and Asia are both excellent. But again, if Arthur is for advanced players, what is the purpose of Rxton 7?

I Dont know if kirin has same topsheet as T3, lets wait for some reviews & will share mine. They are designed as value rubbers for the BH anyway. When i asked about kirin 5 "close" retail price to Telson 100 & if they compete with each other i got a definite "Of course not" since telson 100 is made for pro/advanced players 😅

About Rxton 7 competing with arthur line i didnt get a clear answer since it isnt produced yet but it should be a great performing sticky rubber based on early tests🫡

 

[TT Lover]

So i ordered some products including a couple Telson 100, kirin 1 & 3 Telson China & Speed. I will share my thoughts once i test them.

I got some info: Kirin rubbers will be their main value non sticky line suitable for backhand. For now they have stock of kirin 1 & 3 both red & black. T3 SPEED discontinued, T3 carbon only small quantities / remaining stock.
TELSON 100 is their top line grippy rubber for BH with great response & feedback from professional/advanced players.
ARTHUR SERIES will stay, marketed to advanced players.

Also apparently Rxton 9 & Telson 100 Sell quite well & are basically sold out as soon as they are produced. 🤔🤪

Does Rxton 9 is also for advance players and play good spinny game same as Arthur China.

Thank you sir.
Best regards,

 

[mattlamperouge]

Does Rxton 9 is also for advance players and play good spinny game same as Arthur China.

Thank you sir.
Best regards,

Well its their flagship... there is a lot of opinions, Rxton 9 its a great rubber (i like it very much my personal FH rubber for quite some time now & still great) They market it as their Top line FH (Hurricane 3 National BS alternative) its fast with great spin.
Arthur china its also a great rubber, they share some characteristics. Sponge on R9 its denser, it takes boost quite well if needed. Great durability

 

[TensorBackhand]

Well its their flagship... there is a lot of opinions, Rxton 9 its a great rubber (i like it very much my personal FH rubber for quite some time now & still great) They market it as their Top line FH (Hurricane 3 National BS alternative) its fast with great spin.
Arthur china its also a great rubber, they share some characteristics. Sponge on R9 its denser, it takes boost quite well if needed. Great durability

How would you rate Rxton 9 and LAC and H3 for speed?

 

[mattlamperouge]

How would you rate Rxton 9 and LAC and H3 for speed?

Both rubbers i think are Fast & dynamic. low impacts have control and if you can hit & activate the sponge they can get great topend speed..to compare them it needs to be a boosted H3.
LAC maybe a bit more bounce for blocks? Im not using it now for quite some time so its all based on memory. When i hit with my dad's bat i can use it no problem both on FH & BH minimal adjustment...
Im used to R9 and like it more for serves & touch plays.

 

[netdriver]

@mattlamperouge how does R9 compare to battle 2 blue sponge?

 

[mattlamperouge]

@mattlamperouge how does R9 compare to battle 2 blue sponge?

Should have similar characteristics i assume...i used battle 2 a long time ago on a friends racket, at the time i used commercial boosted H3 and felt comparable first impression but i was returning to the game so it isnt a good reference.

 

[Attitude]

For me they are quite close. R9 feels a bit more dynamic and easier to engage. Throw and arc is a bit higher from the R9.

That is the main reason im currently struggling ti decide whether im gonna stick with R9 or xuperman for the upcoming season.
Probably gonna test the non pro xuperman version again and decide on that experience.

 

[TensorBackhand]

For me they are quite close. R9 feels a bit more dynamic and easier to engage. Throw and arc is a bit higher from the R9.

That is the main reason im currently struggling ti decide whether im gonna stick with R9 or xuperman for the upcoming season.
Probably gonna test the non pro xuperman version again and decide on that experience.

What does "dynamic" mean? Like its a bit bouncier?

 

[Attitude]

What does "dynamic" mean? Like its a bit bouncier?

Yes among other things.
More dynamic means the rubber is easier to engage and is more lively.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Yes among other things.
More dynamic means the rubber is easier to engage and is more lively.

In that case Rxton 9 must be very fast. I think LAC itself is already quite fast, nearly as fast as Jupiter 3.

Rxton 9 may be as fast as Jupiter 3.

 

[Leno]

I finally put my rxton 9 on for the last week and had a few sessions with it.

Honestly this rubber is really nice in how it actually protects your throw and arc. Only way I can describe it, that it feels really smooth for the power/spin you put in. The throw is not necessary that high and flexible compared to H3, but way more dynamic as Attitude said, and easier to use. The second bounce is really fast and high.

This rubber has good spin and speed quality. I must say that the only limit compared to H3 would be the topend for spin and power. But honestly how many of us can actually engage the topend of H3.
This might be the better choice for the most of us.

 

[Attitude]

In that case Rxton 9 must be very fast. I think LAC itself is already quite fast, nearly as fast as Jupiter 3.

Rxton 9 may be as fast as Jupiter 3.

Why would that be the case?
The comparison above was about H3 Battle 2 bs and R9.
Im quite sure i can outspeed LAC with full force but LAC is overall easier to engage.
I dont remember quite much about my J3 experience so i cant judge on that.

 

[Attitude]

I finally put my rxton 9 on for the last week and had a few sessions with it.

Honestly this rubber is really nice in how it actually protects your throw and arc. Only way I can describe it, that it feels really smooth for the power/spin you put in. The throw is not necessary that high and flexible compared to H3, but way more dynamic as Attitude said, and easier to use. The second bounce is really fast and high.

This rubber has good spin and speed quality. I must say that the only limit compared to H3 would be the topend for spin and power. But honestly how many of us can actually engage the topend of H3.
This might be the better choice for the most of us.

I might add that R9 is cheaper (at least now its price got reduced) and more durable.

 

[latej]

In that case Rxton 9 must be very fast. I think LAC itself is already quite fast, nearly as fast as Jupiter 3.

Rxton 9 may be as fast as Jupiter 3.

From another perspective... Regardless if I use R9, H3, DFVP, STN, it happens regularly that my opponents complain about the SLOWNESS of the rubber, and how it breaks their rhytm, and what a s... that is... and so on...

So, it is a set of rubbers, which are similar to each other in this aspect... And they would describe it as SLOW if one word is allowed... And there are others set of rubbers, where the speed (you seem to be looking for) is much more easily accessible... The difference between the sets is so much bigger than the difference inside the set... ;-)

 

[mattlamperouge]

From another perspective... Regardless if I use R9, H3, DFVP, STN, it happens regularly that my opponents complain about the SLOWNESS of the rubber, and how it breaks their rhytm, and what a s... that is... and so on...

So, it is a set of rubbers, which are similar to each other in this aspect... And they would describe it as SLOW if one word is allowed... And there are others set of rubbers, where the speed (you seem to be looking for) is much more easily accessible... The difference between the sets is so much bigger than the difference inside the set... ;-)

I get what you mean, i experienced similar reactions, i think maybe players are used to the average arc or bounce etc of some rubbers even if a drive its really fast, if you can adapt your rhytm blocking is possible.

I think some mentioned Rxton 9 has a bit more regular bounce than H3.

 

[latej]

I get what you mean, i experienced similar reactions, i think maybe players are used to the average arc or bounce etc of some rubbers even if a drive its really fast, if you can adapt your rhytm blocking is possible.

I think some mentioned Rxton 9 has a bit more regular bounce than H3.

I think I tried to express that of course we can speak about diffs. between various chinese dense sponge rubbers, actually it is kind of interesting for me, but we need to be clear that these diffs. in behavior are miniscule in comparison to the differences between these rubbers (chinese dense sponge) and ESN rubbers.

Just so that someone doesn't search for speed where none is to be found... ;-)

Anyway, back to topic, I'm playing with the STN now, and soon I'll switch to R9. My training partner is very good and he'll recognize the diffs. I certainly hope he'll say/confirm that I produce more spin with R9 (because I feel I can't harm him with STN), but that remains to be seen... in couple of weeks...