First Hurricane attempt

[joshmak10]

Yeah, agree. I do the same way.
Falco or Kailin is very nice boosters. Kailin dries faster. I love both, so recommend try it.

Btw, talking about differences between d09c and h3. They both powerful hard rubbers. And because h3 not crazy tacky anymore the difference even smaller. But, h3 is much linear with more gears. And yes, it’ll need some time to adapt to the low thro angle of h3. H3 likes full hand swing and body movement. Hard to play passively. But when adapted it becomes addictive to play with h3. So much fun to put tremendous amount of spin against backspin balls. Or play very short game. Its very hard to play with something else after h3. Of course different rubbers can have some benefits here and there. But h3 is a king. You will miss a lot of h3 if switching back to other rubbers.

Totally agree, I can’t handle the rubbers that I used to play on my fh, like T05H and G1, after I started using boosted H3N blue

 

[omelet]

Just my 2 cents as I am a beginner with only 3 years experience, and you can see how horribly shoulder led strokes I have from searching for my videos in this forum (in games atleast. its better in predictable drills):

I started with unboosted hurricane on both sides.

Now, I wish I had listened to someone who said "you can't feel the sponge using Hurricane unless its heavily boosted."

Because I switched to Hurricane 8-80 on the backhand, and was shocked that I finally started to understand/feel strokes using only the topsheet (mostly upwards stroke), versus a lot of topsheet and a little bit of sponge, versus a medium amount of sponge, vs full sponge usage, versus hitting into the blade.

Because I used unboosted Hurricane and could not feel the sponge despite using the Stiga allround classic, which has the smallest sweet spot and tons of feel/vibrations, my strokes became 2 dimensional: super vertical with tons of spin but easily smashed by better level players, OR a smash using 100% force hitting into the wood.

And I found unboosted Hurricane short game control is almost automatic, which does not help develop touch. It seduces you into thinking you have great short game control.

I see this same problem with other players using very hard rubbers as beginners.

just my 2 cents.

 

[Migzkulit]

Use whatever blade you used until now. Speed is not an issue. Chinese kids play with normal 5 and 7 ply all wood and they're rapid.

Play it first with no booster, if you want more speed or feel like it's dead, put 2 layers. There's tons of tutorials, any of them will do.

As for what booster, seamoon is cheap, haifu national is expensive and not worth the extra money, plus if you buy the wrong one then it'll end up even worse, and the Chinese mainly use the Kailin booster.

Do what you want with this.

Peace✌️

Isnt the preference of boosters depend on province?

 

[John_]

Isnt the preference of boosters depend on province?

No, there's 3 booster versions of the haifu brand meant for the national teams.

- Yellow
- Black
- White

Yellow gives the most feeling, elasticity and makes the rubber easier to use. It's meant to be a booster that gives great elasticity, feel and enhances the rotation due to the elasticity. It's ceiling potential is lower than the other 2, but is of much better than any other normal booster on the market, from a quality and consistency standpoint, while not being slower that basic boosters. Can be used by everyone that appreciates great feedback from their rubber and isn't seeking too notch performance and speed. Consistency will increase and speed too, the main attraction of this booster is the feel and consistency that it provides.

Black hardens the rubber even more than it already is, destroys the feeling, lowers the throw angle and makes it a rocketship. It's meant for professionals and cannot be physically used effectively if you're not a proper national level player that can put considerable and consistent power into your shots. Every little mistake is punished.

White is a compromise. It's not as fast and hard to use like the black, and not as elastic and highly reactive as the yellow. It's meant for players that have a good level and have the ability to consistently put some force into their shots. It can be used by local players that need some more punch and venom in their shots, while not making the rubber that much harder to use.

I hope that helps.

 

[Master Capybara]

No, there's 3 booster versions of the haifu brand meant for the national teams.

- Yellow
- Black
- White

Yellow gives the most feeling, elasticity and makes the rubber easier to use. It's meant to be a booster that gives great elasticity, feel and enhances the rotation due to the elasticity. It's ceiling potential is lower than the other 2, but is of much better than any other normal booster on the market, from a quality and consistency standpoint, while not being slower that basic boosters. Can be used by everyone that appreciates great feedback from their rubber and isn't seeking too notch performance and speed. Consistency will increase and speed too, the main attraction of this booster is the feel and consistency that it provides.

Black hardens the rubber even more than it already is, destroys the feeling, lowers the throw angle and makes it a rocketship. It's meant for professionals and cannot be physically used effectively if you're not a proper national level player that can put considerable and consistent power into your shots. Every little mistake is punished.

White is a compromise. It's not as fast and hard to use like the black, and not as elastic and highly reactive as the yellow. It's meant for players that have a good level and have the ability to consistently put some force into their shots. It can be used by local players that need some more punch and venom in their shots, while not making the rubber that much harder to use.

I hope that helps.

Wrong. All boosters expand sponge, increase topshit tension. Black as well. There are no boosters that do opposite

 

[Migzkulit]

No i

No, there's 3 booster versions of the haifu brand meant for the national teams.

- Yellow
- Black
- White

Yellow gives the most feeling, elasticity and makes the rubber easier to use. It's meant to be a booster that gives great elasticity, feel and enhances the rotation due to the elasticity. It's ceiling potential is lower than the other 2, but is of much better than any other normal booster on the market, from a quality and consistency standpoint, while not being slower that basic boosters. Can be used by everyone that appreciates great feedback from their rubber and isn't seeking too notch performance and speed. Consistency will increase and speed too, the main attraction of this booster is the feel and consistency that it provides.

Black hardens the rubber even more than it already is, destroys the feeling, lowers the throw angle and makes it a rocketship. It's meant for professionals and cannot be physically used effectively if you're not a proper national level player that can put considerable and consistent power into your shots. Every little mistake is punished.

White is a compromise. It's not as fast and hard to use like the black, and not as elastic and highly reactive as the yellow. It's meant for players that have a good level and have the ability to consistently put some force into their shots. It can be used by local players that need some more punch and venom in their shots, while not making the rubber that much harder to use.

I hope that helps.

No i mean whether Kailin, Haifu or Dianchi

 

[greenbeanmachine]

to boost or not to boost?

Try first unboosted, and see how it feels. You can boost the rubber later, but you can't unboost it. Plus, NEO version is already boosted in the factory.

on what blade forehand is better to attach it? Inner or outer composition?

I think outer composition feels better with Chinese rubber, and inner composition feels better with ESN rubber.

Power will be better with the outer composition, and it has a "pop" feeling that you don't get with inner composition. Because of the Chinese rubber, you can still get quite a lot of spin with outer carbon. Viscaria is a very good choice -- much of the Chinese team uses Viscaria + Hurricane 3.

 

[Master Capybara]

Try first unboosted, and see how it feels. You can boost the rubber later, but you can't unboost it. Plus, NEO version is already boosted in the factory.


I think outer composition feels better with Chinese rubber, and inner composition feels better with ESN rubber.

Power will be better with the outer composition, and it has a "pop" feeling that you don't get with inner composition. Because of the Chinese rubber, you can still get quite a lot of spin with outer carbon. Viscaria is a very good choice -- much of the Chinese team uses Viscaria + Hurricane 3.

Opinion that Neo is factory boosted is popular but its not right. Here was a topic from the guy training in Shanghai. Neo has glue from the factory but almost everyone boosts there h3 neo in china.

As for inner vs outer. Remember that long 5 and it variants that used by half of the cnt (ML, WCQ, SYS, LSD, LJK etc) is inner blade. And all of them use h3 with 41-42+ degrees hardness. So there is no such dependence that outer suits better for chinese rubbers.

 

[dingyibvs]

I mean, you can try unboosted just as a baseline reference, but there's no point in using it unboosted IMO. Boosting will offer better feel and allow you to hit into the sponge easier, and that will be more or less permanent. The speed boost reduces over time, but IMO not that different from the deterioration in most other rubbers. The regular yellow booster doesn't give you that much of a speed boost anyway.

Without booster the feel is terrible, and it's almost impossible to really hit into the sponge, that's the main reason to use it IMO. For better players the speed boost is probably important too, but then you'd have to keep replacing the rubber once every couple weeks as at the level where you need that speed boost the continued softening with reboosting is probably not acceptable.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Without booster the feel is terrible, and it's almost impossible to really hit into the sponge, that's the main reason to use it IMO.

Without booster the touch and control is incredible. If you can't hit into the sponge you're probably just too weak. 39 degrees NEO sponge is not going to be difficult to hit into.

 

[John_]

Wrong. All boosters expand sponge, increase topshit tension. Black as well. There are no boosters that do opposite

Do I need to post test results again? Do some research before you say something you have no idea about.

I didn't say it doesn't expand it. It's a booster, obviously it expands the sponge. The difference is that the booster apart from expanding the sponge, it also hardens it.

 

[John_]

No i

No i mean whether Kailin, Haifu or Dianchi

Kailin is generally used by the Chinese amateurs because it gives a good effect and the actual booster is cheap for them.

National team members usually use haifu national variants. They could be custom made and tailored for different players, but I've no proof to back it up, I'm just guessing. I think haifu sponsors the national team like dhs, again, don't have any proof.

Dianchi is an older booster and considered a more secondary solution to the kailin.

There's a member here that made a few posts about hurricane 3 and boosting after a travel to China, can't remember his name.

If I find the original post that he made, I'll share it here.

 

[MrGeorge]

Kailin is generally used by the Chinese amateurs because it gives a good effect and the actual booster is cheap for them.

National team members usually use haifu national variants. They could be custom made and tailored for different players, but I've no proof to back it up, I'm just guessing. I think haifu sponsors the national team like dhs, again, don't have any proof.

Dianchi is an older booster and considered a more secondary solution to the kailin.

There's a member here that made a few posts about hurricane 3 and boosting after a travel to China, can't remember his name.

If I find the original post that he made, I'll share it here.

this is the post
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...bout-boosting-and-equipment-in-general.33957/

 

[Migzkulit]

Kailin is generally used by the Chinese amateurs because it gives a good effect and the actual booster is cheap for them.

National team members usually use haifu national variants. They could be custom made and tailored for different players, but I've no proof to back it up, I'm just guessing. I think haifu sponsors the national team like dhs, again, don't have any proof.

Dianchi is an older booster and considered a more secondary solution to the kailin.

There's a member here that made a few posts about hurricane 3 and boosting after a travel to China, can't remember his name.

If I find the original post that he made, I'll share it here.

If I remember, Kailin is more used in the Shanghai Province but in other provinces it may not be the same

 

[disaster3]

Hi, with regards to all experts who provide advice for someone who all TT life was playing tensor/esn rubbers, suggest trying H3Neo unboosted from the beginning is doomed to failure.

There is no expert knowledge required just characteristics of both type of rubbers tensor/esn vs Chinese one.

For someone who came from Dignics/tenergies especially rubbers unboosted h3 is like the brick, thrash only worth to throw to the basket immediately. For such person smooth transition to such rubbers is only possible when h3 will be boosted and have some kind of pace/tension to feel what it is playing for the first time. To get familiar with the characteristics and smoothly get used to it

I'm not an expert and I don't consider myself one either, but all you need is a bit of logical thinking, that's all.

 

[_ak]

Anyway I got 22 sheets of rubbers that I didn’t ordered - so nothing to boost for now and I don’t have any booster 🙄

Sell them 😁
Baby oil or lamp oil are easier to get than Seamoon

 

[SleepyMaster]

Sell them 😁
Baby oil or lamp oil are easier to get than Seamoon

I don’t think that it is okay to keep this order to myself. I don’t need it. And someone is spending about 800$ on it. I’m already called to a number that was on a delivery box - girl that picked up the phone was telling me - I will call you back - and it’s three days gone she didn’t call so I don’t know 🧐

You know maybe it’s my destiny to stay away from Chinese rubbers and boosters and D09c or k3 is enough to me🙃

 

[Musaab]

Don't , long time hurricane guy here , you can check my previous posts. If you boost it , you will never get the real sensation of a hurricane. Whats the point of wanting to try the other end of the spectrum and then before even try it, you try to modify it so that it revert back to the soft sponge stuff ?
it is different , it is fantastic as it is, if it is not fast because you don't do the right technique yet. We know it limitation, the very high ball on which even the best chinese just trun the blade to hit with the softer sponge

 

[John_]

this is the post
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...bout-boosting-and-equipment-in-general.33957/

Yep, thanks for finding it. Couldn't find it for the life of me.

 

[John_]

If I remember, Kailin is more used in the Shanghai Province but in other provinces it may not be the same

I don't know for sure. Everyone has their preferences and they may depend on what they can get their hands on.