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Who said close calls?


"Simon Gauzy tests much higher rated opponent while making highlight reel shots but utlimately loses a close match"

Seems like a consistent headline for much of Gauzy's career it seems.


This is the comment that started everything lol.
 
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Nobody is debating that Gauzy is in better form, though probably too little too late, in 2024. Do you have many more examples of this spanning the last ten years of his career, which is what was originally stated by turbozed?
I think you are misunderstanding and looking for examples of upsets.
Gauzy has had loads of matches like last night but no, I can't name the opponent, the tournament and the year for you.
Convenient you might say😉 and ok, I get you.
But yes I've seen Gauzy in scenarios like last night many times, where he looks like he could do it 😁and doesn't! ☹️
That's what I'm agreeing with and that's why the initial statement made sense to me! I don't have any further to my case, I don't think we disagree about his overall level in the past 10 yrs. 🤷
 
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If you watched the match last night, at 10-10 in the 3rd and having won the previous set, Gauzy was so close to taking the lead. He looked capable of it and if he'd done it, it had the makings of an upset.
So no, not sarcastically choosing to make it seem ridiculous, but looking at statement ("Simon Gauzy tests much higher rated opponent while making highlight reel shots but utlimately loses a close match") immediately after experiencing the match and remembering this experience with Gauzy many times before - it makes perfect sense.
While you deliberately exaggerate and misconstrue things for your amusement I'll laugh along too.
Reading the score of last night's match as 1-3 it doesn't look close but if you actually watched it then you can see the point clearly
But this is his teammate Felix and in the last 1 year - as an apt career description, we need to hear it happening over his career not just recently to LJK or Felix or Alexis. For some reason losses to players like Milosz Redzminski ( an awesome player by the way) get forgotten because they don't fit the narrative.
 
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I think you are misunderstanding and looking for examples of upsets.
Gauzy has had loads of matches like last night but no, I can't name the opponent, the tournament and the year for you.
Convenient you might say😉 and ok, I get you.
But yes I've seen Gauzy in scenarios like last night many times, where he looks like he could do it 😁and doesn't! ☹️
That's what I'm agreeing with and that's why the initial statement made sense to me! I don't have any further to my case, I don't think we disagree about his overall level in the past 10 yrs. 🤷
I am not misunderstanding but maybe you are. I am asking for examples spanning his entire career not just 2-3 examples from the last year. I'm not asking or expecting anyone to dig up the TT history books to prove their point but I do find it interesting you insist there are loads of examples throughout his career but can't think of any off the top of your head besides the ones from the last year that everyone has already agreed on.
 
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So where is your list of the situations that he has supposedly had that I am not remembering because my memory is poor?
Who said your memory is so poor?
Since your so keen to argue on this, you're telling me that last nights match didn't remind you of many previous scenarios with Gauzy? Like seriously?
You haven't seen him play brilliantly and so almost get to a commanding position, like last night, only to valiantly fall short?
Then ask yourself what have you been watching your while life.
Because that match last night is something that Gauzy has done so often before, but just short at crunch time.
 
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Harimoto lost the match at 12/12 in the fourth set. Then he made a tactical error by first giving a very good diagonal serve (he almost surprised Aruna) only to top spin back diagonally. Had he opted for a parallel/straight shot here the match could have gone to him. If there were statistics, I would say that Harimoto is one of the players who plays the game diagonally far too much instead of regularly playing balls parallel.
You keep bringing up this parallel vs diagonal thing, but you are a good enough player to know that playing the parallel places demands on your anticipation while playing the diagonal reduces those demands. His footwork is not good enough to adjust to consistently playing on the parallel. I could be completely wrong, but that is my opinion.
 
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"Simon Gauzy tests much higher rated opponent while making highlight reel shots but utlimately loses a close match"

Seems like a consistent headline for much of Gauzy's career it seems.


This is the comment that started everything lol.
And again, you're deciding to deliberately not understand, or misinterpret. A close call doesn't have to mean 9-3 up in the 5th and lose.
You can say whatever you want to say but the fact is he was a point from a 2-1 lead. That's close. Close to getting a foot in the door. Close to applying the pressure that might cause the upset.
Its old and cold now because you know the score but watching the game live, you didn't know what way it was gonna go!!
 
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Who said your memory is so poor?
Since your so keen to argue on this, you're telling me that last nights match didn't remind you of many previous scenarios with Gauzy? Like seriously?
You haven't seen him play brilliantly and almost do get tons commanding position like last night only to valiantly fall short?
Then ask yourself what have you been watching your while life.
Because that match last night is exactly what Gauzy has done so often before, just short at crunch time.
Again, as a career description, as opposed to the last one year or so (which even then requires selective memory), can you please substantiate your claim with said matches, or just agree that it is okay for people who disagree to also have a reasonable case?
 
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And again, in your deciding to deliberately decide to not understand, a close call doesn't have to mean 9-3 up in the 5th and lose.
You can say whatever you want to say but the fact is he was a point from a 2-1 lead. That's close. Close to getting a foot in the door. Close to applying the pressure that might cause the upset.
Its old and cold now because you know the score but watching the game live, you didn't know what way it was gonna go!!
Let me ask you a question in good faith. It might help to contextualize how you view the game and how I do.

There have been many instances over the years of dominant Chinese players, lets say ML, ZJK, FZD, SYS, Chen Meng, WMY, you name it, getting pushed to a deciding 5th or 7th game by someone you didn't expect.

As the players come out of their timeouts at the start of the 5th or 7th game, did you truly believe there was a good chance for the upset to be complete, or did you deep down know that the Chinese player was likely going to end up winning the deciding game?

And in these instances, who usually won?
 
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Who said your memory is so poor?
Since your so keen to argue on this, you're telling me that last nights match didn't remind you of many previous scenarios with Gauzy? Like seriously?
You haven't seen him play brilliantly and almost do get tons commanding position like last night only to valiantly fall short?
Then ask yourself what have you been watching your while life.
Because that match last night is exactly what Gauzy has done so often before, just short at crunch time.
Without a list of matches, this discussion is pretty much blowing hot air repeatedly. It is weird how the people who disagree are listing matches and the people who agree just keep relying on pushing their narrative without any obligation to substantiate it with some match results.
 
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I am not misunderstanding but maybe you are. I am asking for examples spanning his entire career not just 2-3 examples from the last year. I'm not asking or expecting anyone to dig up the TT history books to prove their point but I do find it interesting you insist there are loads of examples throughout his career but can't think of any off the top of your head besides the ones from the last year that everyone has already agreed on.
No, you really just don't understand.
If you haven't seen enough matches of Gauzy that last night didn't remind you of anything then fair enough, you're in a position of ignorance meaning you don't know.
Asking me for examples from games where he looked good at 1-1, 2-1 etc stretching back yrs, no I can't give them.
But it doesn't mean I haven't watched him several times perform very similarly to last night and thought 'damn this guy is close'.
I'm not trying to change your mind btw, if you don't agree you don't agree but my mind is set, he has almost everything and I wish he could have had a bit more consistency more often and actually won things because I love watching him play!
 
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2024 ITTF World Team Table Tennis Championships Finals, Busan (KOR) Main Draw MT Final GAUZY Simon (FRA) MA Long (CHN) 1 - 3 MA Long

2021 Olympic Games, Tokyo (JPN) Main Draw MS R16 GAUZY Simon (FRA) MA Long (CHN) 1 - 4 MA Long
2019 Men's World Cup, Chengdu (CHN) Main Draw MS R16 GAUZY Simon (FRA) MA Long (CHN) 2 - 4 MA Long
2019 T2 Diamond Malaysia, Johor Bahru (MAS) Main Draw MS R16 GAUZY Simon (FRA) MA Long (CHN) 1 - 4 MA Long
2017 Men's World Cup, Liege (BEL) Position Draw MS 2 GAUZY Simon (FRA) MA Long (CHN) 2 - 4 MA Long


2020 ITTF World Tour Platinum Qatar Open, Doha (QAT) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) XU Xin (CHN) 3 - 4 XU Xin

2019 ITTF World Tour Platinum German Open, Bremen (GER) Main Draw MS R32 GAUZY Simon (FRA) XU Xin (CHN) 1 - 4 XU Xin
2019 World Table Tennis Championships, Budapest (HUN) Main Draw MS R32 GAUZY Simon (FRA) XU Xin (CHN) 4 - 2 GAUZY Simon
2018 World Tour, German Open, Bremen (GER) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) XU Xin (CHN) 2 - 4 XU Xin
2014 World Tour, Swedish Open, Stockholm (SWE) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) XU Xin (CHN) 1 - 4 XU Xin


2012 World Tour, Slovenia Open, Velenje (SLO) Main Draw MS R32 GAUZY Simon (FRA) ZHANG Jike (CHN) 2 - 4 ZHANG Jike


2021 Olympic Games, Tokyo (JPN) Main Draw MT QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) FAN Zhendong (CHN) 2 - 3 FAN Zhendong

2019 ITTF World Tour Swedish Open, Stockholm (SWE) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) FAN Zhendong (CHN) 0 - 4 FAN Zhendong
2016 World Tour, LAOX Japan Open, Tokyo (JPN) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) FAN Zhendong (CHN) 1 - 4 FAN Zhendong
2015 Men's World Cup, Halmstad (SWE) Main Draw MS R16 GAUZY Simon (FRA) FAN Zhendong (CHN) 0 - 4 FAN Zhendong
2012 World Junior Table Tennis Championships, Hyderabad (IND) Main Draw JBT GAUZY Simon (FRA) FAN Zhendong (CHN) 0 - 3 FAN Zhendong
 
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2024 WTT Champions, Macao (MAC) Main Draw MS R16 GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIANG Jingkun (CHN) 2 - 3 LIANG Jingkun

2024 WTT Champions, Chongqing (CHN) Main Draw MS R32 GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIANG Jingkun (CHN) 0 - 3 LIANG Jingkun
2024 WTT Champions, Incheon (KOR) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIANG Jingkun (CHN) 2 - 3 LIANG Jingkun
2022 Singapore Smash, Singapore (SGP) Main Draw MS R64 GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIANG Jingkun (CHN) 1 - 3 LIANG Jingkun
2021 WTT Contender, Novo Mesto (SLO) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIANG Jingkun (CHN) 1 - 3 LIANG Jingkun
2018 World Tour, China Open, Shenzhen (CHN) Main Draw MS R32 GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIANG Jingkun (CHN) 0 - 4 LIANG Jingkun


2017 World Tour, Austrian Open, Linz (AUT) Main Draw MS SemiFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIN Gaoyuan (CHN) 1 - 4 LIN Gaoyuan

2017 World Tour, Hungarian Open, Budapest (HUN) Main Draw MS R16 GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIN Gaoyuan (CHN) 1 - 4 LIN Gaoyuan
2011 World Junior Table Tennis Championships, Manama (BRN) Main Draw JBS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIN Gaoyuan (CHN) 1 - 4 LIN Gaoyuan
2009 World Junior Table Tennis Championships, Cartagena de Indias (COL) Main Draw JBS R32 GAUZY Simon (FRA) LIN Gaoyuan (CHN) 0 - 4 LIN Gaoyuan
 
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2023 WTT Contender, Amman (JOR) Main Draw MS R32 GAUZY Simon (FRA) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER) 0 - 3 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij

2022 WTT Contender, Lima (PER) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER) 1 - 3 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij
2017 Men's World Cup, Liege (BEL) Main Draw MS SemiFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER) 3 - 4 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij
2017 ITTF Europe Cup, Antibes (FRA) Qualification MS 1 GAUZY Simon (FRA) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER) 2 - 3 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij
2016 ITTF Europe Top 16 Cup, Gondomar (POR) Qualification MS 1 GAUZY Simon (FRA) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER) 0 - 3 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij
2015 ITTF European Table Tennis Championships, Ekaterinburg (RUS) Main Draw MT GAUZY Simon (FRA) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER) 0 - 3 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij
2015 ITTF Europe Top 16 Cup, Baku (AZE) Qualification MS 1 GAUZY Simon (FRA) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER) 1 - 3 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij
2014 World Tour, Russian Open, Ekaterinburg (RUS) Main Draw MS R32 GAUZY Simon (FRA) OVTCHAROV Dimitrij (GER) 2 - 4 OVTCHAROV Dimitrij


2019 ITTF European Championships, Nantes (FRA) Main Draw MT SemiFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) BOLL Timo (GER) 1 - 3 BOLL Timo

2017 World Tour, German Open, Magdeburg (GER) Main Draw MS R16 GAUZY Simon (FRA) BOLL Timo (GER) 1 - 4 BOLL Timo
2017 ITTF Europe Cup, Antibes (FRA) Main Draw MS QuarterFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) BOLL Timo (GER) 4 - 2 GAUZY Simon
2016 ITTF European Championships, Budapest (HUN) Main Draw MS SemiFinal GAUZY Simon (FRA) BOLL Timo (GER) 4 - 1 GAUZY Simon
2016 World Team Table Tennis Championships, Kuala Lumpur (MAS) Qualification MT GAUZY Simon (FRA) BOLL Timo (GER) 3 - 2 GAUZY Simon


Fared well against Boll prior to his late career resurgence, owned by Ovtcharov.
 
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you're in a position of ignorance meaning you don't know.
Asking me for examples from games where he looked good at 1-1, 2-1 etc stretching back yrs, no I can't give them.
Maybe you're in a position of ignorance and your understanding of the game is too basic to comprehend that these matches weren't as close as you thought they were. Or maybe not.

You are claiming that his career, stretching back years, was characterized by this feature, yet you can't give examples. But you just totally remember that is has happened a lot even though you can't think of any specific examples.
 
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Again, as a career description, as opposed to the last one year or so (which even then requires selective memory), can you please substantiate your claim with said matches, or just agree that it is okay for people who disagree to also have a reasonable case?
A reasonable case that Gauzy has never looked like someone with the potential to cause an upset. No.
Gauzy always has matches like last night, maybe you don't remember his WR 8 in 2017, I don't know how many finals, semis or qtrs he reached then but he wasn't a million miles away.
Anyway, I'm happy with my view on him so you just do you!
 
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Maybe you're in a position of ignorance and your understanding of the game is too basic to comprehend that these matches weren't as close as you thought they were. Or maybe not.

You are claiming that his career, stretching back years, was characterized by this feature, yet you can't give examples. But you just totally remember that is has happened a lot even though you can't think of any specific examples.
Sorry my overwhelming feeling on a player is such a problem for ya when I don't have the results almanac to hand in order to appease you, not!
Yes, what you say above is exactly it, I've seen his matches against so many stronger opponents where he's looked to be in with a shout cos of playing some amazing sets but then falls short. Just like last night.
And no I'm not gonna look for the yr it happened V Boll or Ovtcharov or any of the Chinese players. If you don't think
Maybe you're in a position of ignorance and your understanding of the game is too basic to comprehend that these matches weren't as close as you thought they were. Or maybe not.

You are claiming that his career, stretching back years, was characterized by this feature, yet you can't give examples. But you just totally remember that is has happened a lot even though you can't think of any specific examples.
No.
You just don't want to see why, when the record books will record 1-3, there was a point in last nights game where he was playing very well and was a point from taking a 2-1 lead. That's the story. So often close but not quite.
But keep going, it's great to see how much this bothers you and how much you just have to be right!!!
If you can't see the point at which last nights game was close then what's the point for you in writing? You obviously don't know what you're watching which is then compounded by not being able to reconcile how anyone ( who can see the point at which last nights match was close and exciting) can say after the result, there it goes again for Gauzy.
 
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Gauzy always has matches like last night
And yet you still can't provide any that aren't from the last year.
maybe you don't remember his WR 8 in 2017, I don't know how many finals, semis or qtrs he reached then but he wasn't a million miles away.

"Maybe you don't remember, oh also neither do I"
 
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Sorry my overwhelming feeling on a player is such a problem for ya when I don't have the results almanac to hand in order to appease you, not!
Yes, what you say above is exactly it, I've seen his matches against so many stronger opponents where he's looked to be in with a shout cos of playing some amazing sets but then falls short. Just like last night.
And no I'm not gonna look for the yr it happened V Boll or Ovtcharov or any of the Chinese players. If you don't think

No.
You just don't want to see why, when the record books will record 1-3, there was a point in last nights game where he was playing very well and was a point from taking a 2-1 lead. That's the story. So often close but not quite.
But keep going, it's great to see how much this bothers you and how much you just have to be right!!!
If you can't see the point at which last nights game was close then what's the point for you in writing? You obviously don't know what you're watching which is then compounded by not being able to reconcile how anyone ( who can see the point at which last nights match was close and exciting) can say after the result, there it goes again for Gauzy.
Your entire contribution to this thread is that a "results almanac" in fact exists for these matches where Gauzy threatened top players but came up just short all throughout his career not just last night against Felix, yet you are the one getting defensive when people ask you to provide said results almanac.
 
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And yet you still can't provide any that aren't from the last year.


"Maybe you don't remember, oh also neither do I"
I look fwd to being at the arena on Thursday/Friday so you can tell me how all those exciting 3-1 matches I watched were actually just dead rubbers! 😂
Anyway man, this is flogged this to death.
We don't agree on Gauzy.
 
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