Nittaku manufacturing process video

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Hello,

I just found this video about nittaku's manufacturing process in case hasn't been posted before


These types of videos makes me wonder, where are all that stuff that's been manufactured and not sold go anyway? I know this apply to any business but I mean, the EJs must be what keeps those numbers up because I can't imagine all those premium blades made day by day be sold in a given year.
 
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Kinda misleading to start with hinoki wood and not show a blade that uses hinoki wood? The interesting part to me is how the layers are put together, but I guess they were not allowed to show that.
My exact thought!

Thanks souch for posting this, I found it absolutely fascinating 😍😍

The obvious omission of the gluing and pressing processes was a disappointment. I've seen other videos like this from various manufacturers which show some of the presses at work, and a couple which show the gluing assembly, but none of them tell you the clamping pressures, the glue recipes, or demonstrate the actual full bonding times -- as you pointed out, they don't display this info 'cause they can't -- that's where a *lot* of the playing feel comes from, and it's some of the most important IP they have.

I was also really wanting to see their timber drying processes -- it takes two years of careful, humidity controlled storage to air-dry a crown cut timber slab... But that video showed them processing the entire tree boul straight into quarter sawn one-ply panels, (Drool!!) ...but then they cut straight to drum sanding the Hinoki boards, and then to CNC routing of different glued multi-ply panels!!! 🤯🤯 Hello? WTF? Whatwasasthatabout??

How long do they dry their green Hinoki panels for? Do they air-dry or kiln dry their timber? What's the RH and temp of their drying room if air dried? What's the kiln times and drying temperature settings if it's kiln dried?? What about the processing of their medials and outers? Do they get in koto, limba and ayous logs from Africa and process those in house as well? And what are the drying conditions for those? Talk about a bloody cock-tease of a video. They left out so much of the good stuff. 😭😭😭

Oh the luxury of buying and purpose processing an entire felled log at once!! I'm SO jealous!!! I would give my left nut to have that kind of capacity, or to do the kind of volumes that make such processes possible. You wanna know how much time I need to spend inspecting boards to find the right density timber??? Don't ask 😂😂😂😂😂

On the plus side, I loved that they still do so much by hand, and they still hand-sand the blade edges individually. Butterfly do their edge sanding by industrial machine, in stacks of ten or more blades at a time. Nittaku's way is better IMO. They also seem to be using PVA to attach their handle scales to the blades, and the low viscosity suggests it's a type 1 glue, but it's so hard to say from the video. (No manufacturing videos of them making dying and assembling the handle scales I note 🤣🤣 I reckon that's done via a third party manufacturer in a dedicated factory, just like Haitian do. That process ain't quite as pretty to look at.)

They also only showed them doing their flatness and QA checks at packaging -- there would have to be additional QA checks all the way down the line -- especially after pressing, to see if there was any internal collapses in the core woods (maybe they use vacuum presses? 🤷🏻) Also no mention of sealing the blades, just the labelling (and man I really need one of those labelling machines!) They put the blades into non-airtight boxes, so they would have to seal the blades as well I imagine, otherwise they'd start moving like Beyonce the second the blades hit any high or low humidity air.

Thanks again for posting this --- I gotta say I have a newfound respect for Nittaku gear on seeing their manufacturing processes in a bit more detail. Their blades have always been pretty good IMO but that video clearly demonstrates to me exactly why that is. Put simply, they care. Every worker there was moving slowly, carefully and deliberately, through every stage. No focus on through-put or speed or productivity, just a total focus on the end product itself, and carefully executing the task currently before them... They are people after my own heart!! 😍😍 Really love the way they go about it... Respect! 😎👍
 
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What do you think they're doing at 12:36? (checking for gaps?) And what they're measuring at 12:45? (flatness?)
Yes to both.

Because of how the grain is oriented, the corners of the handle on many older Viscaria would shrink years later as the wood dries and even pry away (cupping) from the body of the blade when the weather gets really dry for an extended period, especially during winter. So the new handle design with the different grain orientation is a good change.

And those DHS measurement tools are available for sale, if you feel like being ripped off, that is.

https://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/dhs-tt-rubber-thickness-measurement-double-standard
http://www.sunnywise.com.hk/dhs_test_double.htm
http://www.sunnywise.com.hk/dhs.htm
 
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What do you think they're doing at 12:36? (checking for gaps?) And what they're measuring at 12:45? (flatness?)
@ 12.36: They're using a thin film of plastic to check for gaps in between the playing surface and the handle scales.

If you don't sand the bottom of your handle scale's perfectly flat every time, you can get slightly high corners. Ditto if you don't use enough glue or use the wrong amount of clamping force when attaching the handle scale to the blade.

@12.45: Yes, they're checking the blade for flatness. The dual-sided digital calliper they're using is the same device that ITTF officials use to measure flatness of a blade during official competition.

Under ITTF regulations you can only have up to a 0.3mm convex curve to a blade's playing surface, or a 0.2mm concave curve. Any more than that and technically the blade won't pass muster at ITTF comp.



NB: ITTF Regulations about the flatness of a blade are a sick joke.

Every time I tell my woodworking mates I have to maintain a 0.2mm cupping tolerance level on every product I make, over its entire operating life, they just laugh their arses off at me. :rolleyes: They know that's literally impossible, and so do I.

ALL WOOD MOVES TO SOME DEGREE -- unsealed wood can literally expand well over half a millimetre just by taking it from indoors to outdoors on a humid day. Keep it there for an hour and it can expand twice that amount very easily.

God help you if you play with really sweaty hands... your blade can start the game with legal flatness, but be totally illegal fifteen points later.

Quick straw poll: how many people here keep their blade in a hermetically sealed, constant humidity environment both between points during a game, as well as in their kit-bag between games, on the way home in the car, and in their storage cupboard at home between matches.

Anyone? Does anybody here at all do that?

Because that's what it takes to sufficiently stop an all-wood blade wood expanding / contracting / moving / cupping / doming with changes in humidity, to the ITTF's satisfaction.... Either that, or encase the entire blade in solid epoxy.

Maintaining ITTF flatness tolerance levels over the life of a blade is literally impossible - wood simply doesn't work that way. Why in God's name they continue to measure it at comps is just beyond me. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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@zeio, @Wakkibatty , you guys sure know your stuff.

I find it curious they perform these checks at the end. Presumably if a blade doesn't meet the flatness test it gets discarded -- and all that other stuff they've already done (stamping the logo for one example) is wasted?

Not sure what they'd do with gaps in the blade handle. At least that sounds like it can be remedied.
 
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No doubt the ITTF tolerances are a complete joke. Back in early 2010s, we used to laugh at the hilarious stories about the VOC test that was mandatory for top divisions in local competitions and how they would get false positives from an empty ENEZ box (which was later replaced by ELIZE and then Mini-RAE Lite) all the time because of the ridiculously low tolerance (±10% of the threshold which was tightened each year from 2008-2011 -> 1, 2, 3 where they even stated ahead of WTTC 2009 that their aim was 0 ppm).

Back at WTTC 2012, they had to re-calibrate the device every morning...

https://documents.ittf.sport/system/files?file=documents/20120401_EC_Dortmund_minutes.pdf
12. Any other business: the Executive Committee noted that:
12.1 Mini-RAE:
 The day of the voluntary tests at these World Championships, there had
been some strange VOC results.

 The testing was stopped and a meeting had been held with the
manufacturers regarding proper calibration.
 New calibration was required each morning for the mini-RAE machines
according to the manual.
 
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These types of videos makes me wonder, where are all that stuff that's been manufactured and not sold go anyway? I know this apply to any business but I mean, the EJs must be what keeps those numbers up because I can't imagine all those premium blades made day by day be sold in a given year.
the market is huge in Asia
it is often semi pros change blades every 2 or 3 months.
just that market alone is probably more than the EJ market of the west.
A player would need 5 to 10 (same) blades a year.
 
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the market is huge in Asia
it is often semi pros change blades every 2 or 3 months.
just that market alone is probably more than the EJ market of the west.
A player would need 5 to 10 (same) blades a year.

Why? I mean why do they deem it necessary?
 
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.Quick straw poll: how many people here keep their blade in a hermetically sealed, constant humidity environment both between points during a game, as well as in their kit-bag between games, on the way home in the car, and in their storage cupboard at home between matches.

Anyone? Does anybody here at all do that?
FU for waking up my OCD
Now I will putt my blades in the humidity controlled closet next to my Spanish guitar.

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Wonder if laminated wood will react so much. Maybe when going from a relative humidity of 30% to lets say 80%
I’m even not that careful with my guitar cause normally it doesn’t matter that much
 
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FU for waking up my OCD
Now I will putt my blades in the humidity controlled closet next to my Spanish guitar.

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Wonder if laminated wood will react so much. Maybe when going from a relative humidity of 30% to lets say 80%
I’m even not that careful with my guitar cause normally it doesn’t matter that much
The reaction differs from species to species, and will vary depending on how much and how well it's sealed. Laminated blades move less, but it depends on their composition... If there's a lot of low density woods in there, it's much harder to keep them straight. Kiri in particular can move like a mofo.

My point is more about the 0.2mm minimum tolerance than anything else. That is just such a ridiculously small amount. The ITTF justifies it by saying they're trying to stop people cheating, which is just the biggest load of complete BS I ever heard.

The ITTF don't mandate blades be sealed, and AFAIK, they don't mandate the RH of the room they measure flatness in, nor do they mandate the RH of the blade storage conditions at comps. They therefore can't and won't guarantee that a blade will stay legally straight while it's in the possession of match officials, yet they still maintain it's cheating. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
 
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Why? I mean do they deem it necessary?
If you seal a blade too thoroughly, you change its playing feel. The more sealant there is on a blade, the faster it gets. This means that the sealant on tem is always very thin, and easily compromised

For this reason, if your hand's sweat a lot then the blade isn't going to last very long. The sweat makes the wood swell, and that typically warps the blade (it also softens a lot of different wood glues). Water damaged Kiri can move so much that under ITTF rules it's basically a pretzel, so they often change them after a few months.

I had a 240mm X 900 X 6mm Kiri board in my workshop once that became water damaged. In the space of a few hours, one side of the damn thing curved over two inches out of true! It went from a flat timber plank to a skateboard half pipe in the course of an afternoon 🤣🤣🤣
 
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