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I’m not about to get into this right now. I see your point and accept it, but I’m not gonna be forced to change mine. I have better things to do today
That's fine.

Since ratings don't tell the full story, I will wait for your explanation on how Simeon is CTTA3000 and USATT 2550 and Jason Louie is CTTA2550 and USATT 2350 despite Simeon being the worse player, with an ample amount of matches played in both systems, whenever you are ready to "get into it".
 
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That's fine.

Since ratings don't tell the full story, I will wait for your explanation on how Simeon is CTTA3000 and USATT 2550 and Jason Louie is CTTA2550 and USATT 2350 despite Simeon being the worse player, with an ample amount of matches played in both systems, whenever you are ready to "get into it".
okay then bro
 
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Dismissive comments like this achieve nothing. For someone who started playing serious table tennis in April 2023 and is a beginning level player, you seem to think you know a lot about high level table tennis, yet every time the very obvious flaws in your opinions are pointed out, you just dismiss the conversation instead of being able to provide any substance to elaborate on your opinion.

You don't have to agree with people but if you can't say anything beyond "this is my opinion, I'm not changing it or explaining it" you aren't contributing anything useful to discussion. If you provide any useful elaboration ("ratings don't always tell the full story" does not count as useful), we still might not agree but at least you provided something to advance the discussion.

And when your opinion is that a 2350/2550 player is better than a 2550/3000 player, it is definitely on your side to explain why that is in any way valid.
 
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...And Eugene is basically retired at this point so Idk why they won’t give his spot to a young player like Simeon Martin or Jason Louie
Eugene is still one of my favorite players to watch. Always wanted to see an in form Eugene vs Kanak, but don't think it ever happened. I'd take prime Eugene over Kanak at his best (so far), but would expect a close and highly entertaining match.
 
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Eugene is still one of my favorite players to watch. Always wanted to see an in form Eugene vs Kanak, but don't think it ever happened. I'd take prime Eugene over Kanak at his best (so far), but would expect a close and highly entertaining match.
Prime Eugene IMHO was before the new plastic ball so it is harder to compare. I don't think his game is as effective with the new ball and both players are US Open champions around the 2800 level in their primes and struggle notoriously with Hugo. It will be a good match for sure, but I am biased to my American citizen.
 
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Prime Eugene IMHO was before the new plastic ball so it is harder to compare. I don't think his game is as effective with the new ball and both players are US Open champions around the 2800 level in their primes and struggle notoriously with Hugo. It will be a good match for sure, but I am biased to my American citizen.
I don't think either one has shown he can handle elite power like Hugo has, but Kanak might have a better shot to get there because his quickness gives him more options away from the table. Eugene is long past the point where that might happen for him. Judging from his play in MLTT, his level has dropped quite a lot in the past year or two, and I doubt he has much chance against Kanak if they meet in this tournament.
 
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ITTF Pan American Cup — is an annual table tennis competition held in South and North America since 2017. Its program includes tournaments for men and women in singles. Only 24 players (16 invited players and 8 players selected through the qualifying stage) can participate in the final part of each tournament, with no more than 2 players from one association.

Since its inception, the tournament has been recognized as a qualifying competition for the Table Tennis World Cup.

The competition is organized by the efforts of the relevant Table Tennis Federation under the leadership of ITTF AMERICAS. The tournament is held under the auspices of International Table Tennis Federation (ITTF).

History

Until 2017, the Latin American Table Tennis Cup and 2013 ITTF North American Cup were run by Latin American Table Tennis Union and Northern American Table Tennis Union as a completely separate competition: the winners of the respective men's and women's singles at each tournament qualified for the corresponding stage of the World Cup.
In 2017, the 2017 ITTF-Panam Cup was held for the first time in San José, Costa Rica as a joint effort between the two organizations. The first winners of the tournament were Brazilian Tsuboi Gustavo and American Zhang Lily. At the same time, the World Cup qualification situation remained in effect: each continent was eligible to be represented in both the Men's and Women's World Cups, according to "Regulation 2.2: The winner of each Continental Cup, as well as the second and third-placed players from Asia and Europe, and the best player from a continent, with the exception of the winner of the Panama Cup, shall qualify, for a total of ten players." Thus, if a player from North America won the Men's Singles in San Jose, the highest-placed player from Latin America would also qualify. The same was true for the Women's Singles.
From 2017 to 2024, the tournament was limited to 16 players, in accordance with the qualification rules. A tournament game system with 2 stages was also used: a group of 4 players and 2 players advancing to the second stage, which was held according to the playoff system, with 3rd place being played for.
Since 2019, the management of the competition has been transferred to ITTF AMERICAS, and since then the qualification for the World Cups has been joint.
From 2021 to 2023, no tournaments were held due to the coronavirus epidemic and the suspension of the World Cups in singles.
In 2025, the number of players up to 24 and the number of days of the event (+2 days) were added.
The tournament's record holders are Brazilian Hugo Calderano (3 victories in men's singles) and Puerto Rican Adriana Díaz (2 victories in women's singles).
 
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Prime Eugene IMHO was before the new plastic ball so it is harder to compare. I don't think his game is as effective with the new ball and both players are US Open champions around the 2800 level in their primes and struggle notoriously with Hugo. It will be a good match for sure, but I am biased to my American citizen.

You mean Eugene is downhill??? No way
 
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I was wondering where Sally Moyland was. Apparently, she's playing the Feeder Cappadocia.

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I don't think either one has shown he can handle elite power like Hugo has, but Kanak might have a better shot to get there because his quickness gives him more options away from the table. Eugene is long past the point where that might happen for him. Judging from his play in MLTT, his level has dropped quite a lot in the past year or two, and I doubt he has much chance against Kanak if they meet in this tournament.



Eugene's level definitely has dropped in the last year or two, but he is still very good.
 
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You said he doesn't play in MLTT. Now you want i will count how many matches
Whe I said he doesn't play, I mean he doesn't play that many matches. Not that he isn't on a roster or has never played. It's okay, I will start writing for hairsplitters.
 
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Whe I said he doesn't play, I mean he doesn't play that many matches. Not that he isn't on a roster or has never played. It's okay, I will start writing for hairsplitters.

If you say he doesn't play in MLTT it doesn't mean he doesn't play in MLTT? I am not fluent in English but this sentence looks pretty simple ...
 
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