Ovtcharov alc vs fzd alc vs boll alc or any blade recommendation

[the_dev1311]

I usually like to serve with tons of spin push and attack when I see the opportunity. Like a controlled attacker but I want my blade to be powerful and have a very good spin capability. Feel free to recommend!

 

[joshmak10]

Can’t go wrong with FZD ALC

 

[TTLOVE]

fzd alc and boll alc and any other outer alc from butterfly are basically the same blade (freitas and maze escluded) .
I played with both and with the innerforce alc I was able to generate most of the times more spin than with zhang jike alc/viscaria. Ovtcharov is a little bit stiffier than innnerforce alc but still it has more woodier feeling than outer alc on soft shots.

 

[SFF_lib]

Why not Lin GaoYuan ALC the softest Butterfly ALC ever made. Will give you lots of spin and control

 

[NetProphet]

I usually like to serve with tons of spin push and attack when I see the opportunity. Like a controlled attacker but I want my blade to be powerful and have a very good spin capability. Feel free to recommend!

If you're going from all wood to a blade with carbon I would recommend looking at Innerforce ALC first.

The Harimoto and Ovtcharov are Innerforce blades, THE FZD and Boll are Outerforce.
Difference is where the carbon layer is placed, as the names suggest, Outerforce has it under the outside ply, Innerforce its under two plies, closer to the core.
Innerforce having 2 layers of wood before the carbon are a bit easier to adjust to.
I've played the Harimoto and FZD ALC and the Innerforce was way more suited to me, you will notice the difference.

Question is what do you want for your game. I think you need to define that before anyone can recommend one over the other

 

[John_]

Why not Lin GaoYuan ALC the softest Butterfly ALC ever made. Will give you lots of spin and control

Out of production years now. He has his own company.

 

[the_dev1311]

If you're going from all wood to a blade with carbon I would recommend looking at Innerforce ALC first.

The Harimoto and Ovtcharov are Innerforce blades, THE FZD and Bool are Outerforce.
Difference is where the carbon layer is placed, as the names suggest, Outerforce has it under the outside ply, Innerforce its under two plies, closer to the core.
Innerforce having 2 layers of wood before the carbon are a bit easier to adjust to.
I've played the Harimoto and FZD ALC and the Innerforce was way more suited to me, you will notice the difference.

Question is what do you want for your game. I think you need to define that before anyone can recommend one over the other

I want a killer amount of spin on my serve, but good power in my smashes. The problem I mostly have is topspin against a chopper however I tried my friend yinhe t11 s and I felt the power of the balsa carbon but all the balls went flat. I want this blade to be a long time investment as table tennis is my professional sport, so I'm going for a butterfly blade.

 

[Topspinslinger]

Inner type blades generate more spin, I'd recommend Innerforce layer ALC in straight.

 

[NetProphet]

I want a killer amount of spin on my serve,

That's going to be determined by serve practice

but good power in my smashes.

What are you defining as a smash?
Do you mean flat smashes? Or are you referring to topspin loops here?

The problem I mostly have is topspin against a chopper however I tried my friend yinhe t11 s and I felt the power of the balsa carbon but all the balls went flat. I want this blade to be a long time investment as table tennis is my professional sport, so I'm going for a butterfly blade.

Professional?
How are you struggling with topspin V backspin balls if you're professional.
I don't understand how you are professional and using Stiga AC with G1...
Topspin v Backspin is more to do with your technique than anything else.

I think Innerforce can represent a long term investment for sure but any new blade will take quite a while to get used to so don't expect miracles from it.
I believe the 2 outer wood plies give enough feel to assist you while the carbon can be felt when hitting more powerful shots.

 

[NDH]

The answer to your questions depends in part on your ability.

The 3 blades you mention are all incredibly similar.

The Ovtcharov ALC, whilst an inner carbon blade, feels MUCH closer to the TB ALC than the Harimoto does.

The FZD ALC, TB ALC and O ALC will all feel virtually the same to most people, so go with the player you like the most.

Weaker players who want to be able to hit those YouTube worthy shots will often need faster equipment to compensate for their technique - But that doesn't mean it's the right decision if they want to improve.

So without knowing your level, it's hard to advise properly.

But in essence....

If you want to hit fast shots with little effort, go with the TB ALC and a fast rubber.

Avoid Dignics 09C as that requires good technique to get the speed out of the rubber, and go for something like a Tenergy 05 or Dignics 05 which will give you a lot of spin and speed.

If you want to improve and get better, go with an inner force blade (Harimoto, Innerforce ALC, Ovtcharov) and work on consistency and spin in the attack.

Outright speed very rarely wins points at the amateur level, it's all about the consistent spin attack.

 

[SFF_lib]

Out of production years now. He has his own company.

Yes I know but can still find used LGY ALC

 

[the_dev1311]

That's going to be determined by serve practice

What are you defining as a smash?
Do you mean flat smashes? Or are you referring to topspin loops here?

Professional?
How are you struggling with topspin V backspin balls if you're professional.
I don't understand how you are professional and using Stiga AC with G1...
Topspin v Backspin is more to do with your technique than anything else.

I think Innerforce can represent a long term investment for sure but any new blade will take quite a while to get used to so don't expect miracles from it.
I believe the 2 outer wood plies give enough feel to assist you while the carbon can be felt when hitting more powerful shots.

By "professional sport" I mean table tennis is the sport which I play seriously. However, I don't struggle a lot in the backspin topspin. After 2 to 3 receives the balls resists the topspin and goes into the net. And I meant flat smashes

I might not be extremely good at table tennis but assuming I'm an amateur is just petty. I haven't changed my blades due to a break I took for about 8 months.

 

[the_dev1311]

The answer to your questions depends in part on your ability.

The 3 blades you mention are all incredibly similar.

The Ovtcharov ALC, whilst an inner carbon blade, feels MUCH closer to the TB ALC than the Harimoto does.

The FZD ALC, TB ALC and O ALC will all feel virtually the same to most people, so go with the player you like the most.

Weaker players who want to be able to hit those YouTube worthy shots will often need faster equipment to compensate for their technique - But that doesn't mean it's the right decision if they want to improve.

So without knowing your level, it's hard to advise properly.

But in essence....

If you want to hit fast shots with little effort, go with the TB ALC and a fast rubber.

Avoid Dignics 09C as that requires good technique to get the speed out of the rubber, and go for something like a Tenergy 05 or Dignics 05 which will give you a lot of spin and speed.

If you want to improve and get better, go with an inner force blade (Harimoto, Innerforce ALC, Ovtcharov) and work on consistency and spin in the attack.

Outright speed very rarely wins points at the amateur level, it's all about the consistent spin attack.

I'm a runner up district champion in India and I have played state (next is national)

 

[Amayzde]

Out of these 3, the best one is probably Boll ALC that fits your description. But there is a few options to consider.

Are you a forehand or backhand player? Forehand = Boll ALC; backhand = Viscaria/FZD ALC
Do you play close or away from the table? Close is Boll/FZD ALC; away = Ovtcharov ALC

2 other options I would consider are Boll ZLF (might be obsolute soon) or Innerforce ZLC. Both ar good for controlled attacks, as wel as directness with higher power, and have the great spin potential you desire. Which one you pick depends on your style. If you play close with shorter stokes then the Boll ZLF will be for you. If you play a little further with bigger strokes then the IF ZLC will be more suitable.

Also, I'd like to mention that the IF ZLC is better at getting the first attack in (in my opinion). Its good at attacking those barely attackable half long balls. It allows you to attack more on the top of the ball, while the Boll ZLF you will have to lift a bit more.

 

[NetProphet]

By "professional sport" I mean table tennis is the sport which I play seriously. However, I don't struggle a lot in the backspin topspin. After 2 to 3 receives the balls resists the topspin and goes into the net. And I meant flat smashes

I might not be extremely good at table tennis but assuming I'm an amateur is just petty. I haven't changed my blades due to a break I took for about 8 months.

Dude, there's nothing petty about assuming you're an amateur.
We're all amateurs.
I'm not looking for silly argument so if you call yourself professional that's fine by me but it's absolutely misleading and will confuse anyone about your actual playing level and it's ridiculous to say professional and then post basic questions.

So again, we're all amateurs. Why not leave it at that and describe your actual level properly so people can give you more useful comments

 

[the_dev1311]

Dude, there's nothing petty about assuming you're an amateur.
We're all amateurs.
I'm not looking for a silly argument so if you want to call yourself professional that's fine by me but it's absolutely misleading and will confuse anyone about your actual playing level and it's ridiculous to say professional and then post basic questions.

So again, we're all amateurs. Why not leave it at that and describe your actual level properly so people can give you more useful comments

That's true. The only reason I haven't mentioned my level is that in India we don't have leagues or the point system. I'm a semi prof who has been the district runner up and played state. In India, after state there is national then international.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

That's true. The only reason I haven't mentioned my level is that in India we don't have leagues or the point system. I'm a semi prof who has been the district runner up and played state. In India, after state there is national then international.

A district runner up doesn't mean much. You aren't a semi professional nor a professional. If you want any sort of useful recommendation then post a video of your match but saying you like to have "a ton of spin on your serves and killer smashes" doesn't really describe a real style whatsoever, so any recommendations here will be useless until more useful information is provided.

 

[sebi]

Go for an innerforce blade, does not have to be butterfly. Ovtcharov ALC isa really good in between blade with good spin and good speed, very close to viscaria type blades. But equipment will only help so far if any, if the technique is bad. Rather invest in good coaching.

 

[NDH]

I'm a runner up district champion in India and I have played state (next is national)

I think there is a slight language barrier, or at least an understanding of the terminology used here.

Saying it's your professional sport to most of us here sounds like you are VERY good - Too good to be asking relatively basic questions about equipment to a bunch of online players.

What it looks like you mean is that it's your "main" sport - The sport you play the most?

Also, I have no concept of how good a runner up in a district championship is - Is there any video of you playing online?

Ultimately, I think the advice you've been given is pretty good, and I'm not sure it would change much if we saw you play.

Good luck!

 

[dingyibvs]

I think there is a slight language barrier, or at least an understanding of the terminology used here.

Saying it's your professional sport to most of us here sounds like you are VERY good - Too good to be asking relatively basic questions about equipment to a bunch of online players.

What it looks like you mean is that it's your "main" sport - The sport you play the most?

Also, I have no concept of how good a runner up in a district championship is - Is there any video of you playing online?

Ultimately, I think the advice you've been given is pretty good, and I'm not sure it would change much if we saw you play.

Good luck!

Yeah, professional to me means playing TT is your primary job. A semi-pro would be someone who makes regular earnings playing TT (could be through sponsorships), but it isn't the primary job (most semi-pro are coaches).