Videos from my Training Session

[Zezima]

I filmed myself training with a Long Pips Player. He is currently ~1200RC I am around ~1500RC.
Did some Drills with the aim to "Hit" the Ball more instead of slow only brushing stroke with the topsheet. That was my goal atleast. My other goal was to keep the racket high up but that task I failed a bit I think.

For those who have never seen me play in an actual Match (because I play way different and way more passive atleast)

24/25 RR 5. vs FRAS1

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Here are the 10 Videos. I tried to keep them short since mostlikely I am doing the same mistake anyway and noone is interested in watching a Drill for +5Minutes.

Training 02/2025

Training vom 27.02.2025 mit unserem (langen) Noppen Vereinsspieler

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• My own Notes:
  • Try to keep Racket at chest height after each shot.
  • Try to hit the Ball more + forwards
  • Attack long Balls
  • Tighten Wrist (do not keep it too loose) when doing Backhand Topspin + Don´t end the stroke with the Racket Point showing to the left -> Instead stop when the Point shows to the opposite Backhand side (right)
  • Move First before hitting with either BH or FH Topspin

 

[Lazer]

Tighten Wrist (do not keep it too loose) when doing Backhand Topspin + Don´t end the stroke with the Racket Point showing to the left -> Instead stop when the Point shows to the opposite Backhand side (right)

You should keep it loose, it makes it easier to do "micro adjustments" before hitting the ball...
Its much easier to hit a hard shot with a looser wrist.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Nash77]

Disclaimer - I don't have much experience ( a lot less then you) and my theoretical knowledge is somewhat limited.

With that said - To me it's extremely clear that for some reason you're hitting VERY slow, high, and "safe". If that's how you're playing in practice (when you should really be aggressive, pushing the limits and trying things out) it's natural you'll play even more passive in real games. I see no "snap" in your shots, you seem to just play with very gentle way of hitting, almost like you're trying to pass the ball easy to the other player.

I can write a lot more but IMO it's very simple and sums up to a few words :
You can use MUCH more speed, snap, more legs power, more aggressive.

Take everything I say with a grain of salt because I'm relatively new the game but I've been playing with advanced players for a while now.

 

[Zezima]

Disclaimer - I don't have much experience ( a lot less then you) and my theoretical knowledge is somewhat limited.

With that said - To me it's extremely clear that for some reason you're hitting VERY slow, high, and "safe". If that's how you're playing in practice (when you should really be aggressive, pushing the limits and trying things out) it's natural you'll play even more passive in real games. I see no "snap" in your shots, you seem to just play with very gentle way of hitting, almost like you're trying to pass the ball easy to the other player.

I can write a lot more but IMO it's very simple and sums up to a few words :
You can use MUCH more speed, snap, more legs power, more aggressive.

Take everything I say with a grain of salt because I'm relatively new the game but I've been playing with advanced players for a while now.

As I said I was training for safety till now. Made a bad habit because I wanted to be more safe when looping backspin balls. And now I want to start going for more power. I think I already hit faster than what I am used to. Maybe you just watched the first Video which was a warmup.

This video should be better and where I loop more agressive:

 

[Zezima]

just randomly had this game on my feed

I guess overall the ball gets faster if your opponent also plays faster? Here in my Videos I get slowish balls but I still see and understand now that I can go even faster than that. Still I think slowly increasing is better for control. Will try to increase a bit more each Session and see if its controlable

 

[blahness]

The main issues i can see are:

BH hip rotation is nonexistent. Without this you are forced to use the arm for the movement. You are basically only hinging on your hips which leads to leaning back after the shot. With hip rotation you can get a lot more explosive with the BH.

FH hip rotation looks good but it is not a pure enough force transfer because you have a bit too much arm movement which disrupts this transfer of force.

 

[SFF_lib]

I've watched your match videos.

To improve agility keep your heels off the ground. You're quite tall sometimes it can be a disadvantage as you don't move as fast as smaller people.

 

[SFF_lib]

I filmed myself training with a Long Pips Player. He is currently ~1200RC I am around ~1500RC.
Did some Drills with the aim to "Hit" the Ball more instead of slow only brushing stroke with the topsheet. That was my goal atleast. My other goal was to keep the racket high up but that task I failed a bit I think.

For those who have never seen me play in an actual Match (because I play way different and way more passive atleast)

24/25 RR 5. vs FRAS1

Share your videos with friends, family, and the world

www.youtube.com

Here are the 10 Videos. I tried to keep them short since mostlikely I am doing the same mistake anyway and noone is interested in watching a Drill for +5Minutes.

Training 02/2025

Training vom 27.02.2025 mit unserem (langen) Noppen Vereinsspieler

www.youtube.com

• My own Notes:
  • Try to keep Racket at chest height after each shot.
  • Try to hit the Ball more + forwards
  • Attack long Balls
  • Tighten Wrist (do not keep it too loose) when doing Backhand Topspin + Don´t end the stroke with the Racket Point showing to the left -> Instead stop when the Point shows to the opposite Backhand side (right)
  • Move First before hitting with either BH or FH Topspin

Another thing I notice you often push long.

Try to vary short touch and long push. Short game makes a tremendous difference.

 

[Zezima]

The main issues i can see are:

BH hip rotation is nonexistent. Without this you are forced to use the arm for the movement. You are basically only hinging on your hips which leads to leaning back after the shot. With hip rotation you can get a lot more explosive with the BH.

FH hip rotation looks good but it is not a pure enough force transfer because you have a bit too much arm movement which disrupts this transfer of force.

That is too advanced I think. I don´t even see most pros use their hips. I am happy if I can just not do any mistakes while looping don't train enough to have a bazooka bh. I should not lean too much back I guess it happens mostly on a long backspin ball? It´s fine if I double jump backwards after the stroke need to watch it again.

Yeah FH I am working on it not every shot is clean but the 6 or 7th Video demonstrates that I can do much better in matches.

 

[Zezima]

I've watched your match videos.

To improve agility keep your heels off the ground. You're quite tall sometimes it can be a disadvantage as you don't move as fast as smaller people.

In a Drill like that my footwork looks almost the same. You can´t compare it to my matches because its much slower going on there unless they smash. For me it seems like for most balls I seem to be right (I can hit a stroke) the quality just varies big time

 

[Zezima]

Another thing I notice you often push long.

Try to vary short touch and long push. Short game makes a tremendous difference.

That was the Drill if you mean that. You can watch the game against the better play ( vs Ess ~1700RC) and tell me if you like my short receive.

 

[dingyibvs]

In a Drill like that my footwork looks almost the same. You can´t compare it to my matches because its much slower going on there unless they smash. For me it seems like for most balls I seem to be right (I can hit a stroke) the quality just varies big time

That's absolutely not the case! The thing that popped at me the most is how your feet are glued to the ground in your FH drills. You don't move unless you have to move. You actually move fairly well in your BH drills, which may be why you seem to be about to counter with your BH mid-rally much more often than with your FH.

In the video @SFF_lib posted those balls are all pretty close together, yet the player moves his feet for every shot. That's what you need to do in your practice as well. You don't need to loop nearly as fast as he does, but you need to move your feet for every shot!

 

[Zezima]

That's absolutely not the case! The thing that popped at me the most is how your feet are glued to the ground in your FH drills. You don't move unless you have to move. You actually move fairly well in your BH drills, which may be why you seem to be about to counter with your BH mid-rally much more often than with your FH.

In the video @SFF_lib posted those balls are all pretty close together, yet the player moves his feet for every shot. That's what you need to do in your practice as well. You don't need to loop nearly as fast as he does, but you need to move your feet for every shot!

I don't know its getting too abstract now. Can you show me some timestamps where I should have moved but I am staying glued on the ground? Are we talking about the Vids 5+ or the previous ones?

On that day I was focusing more on hitting the ball more. Today I was focusing again on multiball and anticipation (multiball I dont know what kind of ball I will get entire table) was just one of the Drills.

The goal of the training session was not hitting balls at a fast rate. It was more about getting good quality forward shots compared to how I hit in the matches. Especially with the FH. With my Bh the goal was to keep the racket high for now. It's hard to work on 10+ things at the same time.

Next time I can upload a few Drills that focus heavily on footwork.

 

[dingyibvs]

I don't know its getting too abstract now. Can you show me some timestamps where I should have moved but I am staying glued on the ground? Are we talking about the Vids 5+ or the previous ones?

On that day I was focusing more on hitting the ball more. Today I was focusing again on multiball and anticipation (multiball I dont know what kind of ball I will get entire table) was just one of the Drills.

The goal of the training session was not hitting balls at a fast rate. It was more about getting good quality forward shots compared to how I hit in the matches. Especially with the FH. With my Bh the goal was to keep the racket high for now. It's hard to work on 10+ things at the same time.

Next time I can upload a few Drills that focus heavily on footwork.

I'm talking about your training video, starting with thr first one with the FH loops. Every drill should be a footwork drill. No timestamps needed, you should've moved your feet with every shot. Every. Single. Shot.

 

[blahness]

That is too advanced I think. I don´t even see most pros use their hips. I am happy if I can just not do any mistakes while looping don't train enough to have a bazooka bh. I should not lean too much back I guess it happens mostly on a long backspin ball? It´s fine if I double jump backwards after the stroke need to watch it again.

Yeah FH I am working on it not every shot is clean but the 6 or 7th Video demonstrates that I can do much better in matches.

With BH the weight transfer + hip rotation is a very small rotation (maybe only 45 deg max) which is why it is not very evident. But it is for sure present especially in modern players (for eg old gen players like Samsonov dont use it basically). Imo it helps a lot with stability and consistency too, because the body is always more stable than the arm. And saves a huge amount of backswing time because using the arm for backswing is much slower. Also this frees up your arm to adjust to the incoming ball so you can be more stable.

If you lean back any time you lose the aggressive stance already so if ppl counter your opening loop with higher quality you are already in trouble. Because to be aggressive you need to be above the ball which is a forward lean posture.

FH i feel the issue is you either have a big movement loop which requires a lot of setup time or you have a minimal movement block which is too low quality and can be pounced on. That is why having a cleaner stroke with less arm actually helps a lot because it reduces your setup time drastically, making it possible for you to activate your powerful FH on more balls. The other thing is to have a better quality block. Instead of just putting the racket there you can actually guide the ball and direct it forward/down and this can be quite devastating against weaker opening loops. If you do that, you again turn the tables against the person who opened up first, and then just pounce on their weaker return.

 

[blahness]

I watched a bit of the training6 video on serve receive. You do a 1 step lunge for receives of short balls. Usually the more correct way is to use 3 quick steps (right, left and then right) instead of 1. This allows you to more precisely adjust to the ball as you are moving towards it, taking advantage of the additional information during the ball flight. Also prevents you from being surprised for eg if serve turns out to be fast long, after the 1st step you can use the 2nd and 3rd step to go backwards to be in good position to loop the ball.

 

[Zezima]

I'm talking about your training video, starting with thr first one with the FH loops. Every drill should be a footwork drill. No timestamps needed, you should've moved your feet with every shot. Every. Single. Shot.

That's a warmup. Even pros focus on feeling and weight shifting and don't move around. That's a bit harsh. As I said it depends on what my goal in each Drill was.

Again watch after Video 5. I think where I really have to move for the balls.

 

[Zezima]

I watched a bit of the training6 video on serve receive. You do a 1 step lunge for receives of short balls. Usually the more correct way is to use 3 quick steps (right, left and then right) instead of 1. This allows you to more precisely adjust to the ball as you are moving towards it, taking advantage of the additional information during the ball flight. Also prevents you from being surprised for eg if serve turns out to be fast long, after the 1st step you can use the 2nd and 3rd step to go backwards to be in good position to loop the ball.

I have seen a few other Pro players that don't do it. They for sure got a reason aswell. The correct way is the one you can return comfortable short if you want short and loop if you want to. If that works then why do additional steps to exhaust you and waste your time further.

Also it feels like you focus on stuff that is for my current development not important at all. Eg. Hip rotation bh topspin which I haven't even seen ML do it. Or 3 steps for a short serve when we can reach the same ball easier. There is no steps formula that works for everyone for each ball. Everyone has to find it for themselves. My forehand short receive works for me.
You can go back and watch my receive in the ess game.

Also I won't confuse myself any further and will try out just hitting the right side(for me as a righty) a little bit and loop it forward. I will try to find a comfortable pace that is good enough to return for me. Gotta find someone who can do preferable both sidespin serves to get really comfortable with that.

 

[blahness]

I have seen a few other Pro players that don't do it. They for sure got a reason aswell. The correct way is the one you can return comfortable short if you want short and loop if you want to. If that works then why do additional steps to exhaust you and waste your time further.

Also it feels like you focus on stuff that is for my current development not important at all. Eg. Hip rotation bh topspin which I haven't even seen ML do it. Or 3 steps for a short serve when we can reach the same ball easier. There is no steps formula that works for everyone for each ball. Everyone has to find it for themselves. My forehand short receive works for me.
You can go back and watch my receive in the ess game.

Also I won't confuse myself any further and will try out just hitting the right side(for me as a righty) a little bit and loop it forward. I will try to find a comfortable pace that is good enough to return for me. Gotta find someone who can do preferable both sidespin serves to get really comfortable with that.

Ok sure...

 

[Zezima]

Ok sure...

Don't get me wrong. I didn't want to sound offended in any way. But right now those are not my big problems that cause me not to win games/lose me points. I can keep a short serve short. But in that Drill he said just don't push the same all the time. So I varied a bit. My partner wanted to attack with his pips against different types of pushes. But he is struggling and mostly hitting it out.

I do agree with you guys that I need to work on quality strokes and faster arm and so on. I guess we don't have to discuss any further since I already got a lot of points to work on that will take many years even.

I will update my progress in the match thread.

For me the biggest 3 points is:
Recovery with a high bat stance
Loop more forwards and with a faster compact stroke.
Loop all long serves

If I manage to keep the racket high automatically I will be doing less mistakes looping it up and out.

Thanks all for the feedbacks.
Might use this thread or another one some months later to update any progress.