Difference between Viscaria and Viscaria SALC

[MarekD]

Please, what is the difference between blade Viscaria and Viscaria salc? Which one is better in your opinion?

 

[pedro.dantas]

I never used any of them, but SALC is certainly more stiff, direct and faster, while ALC is softer, bit slower and has higher arc.
Keep in mind that normal version viscaria is already quite fast and stiff

 

[MarekD]

What information are you basing this on? If you haven't tested both blades?

I need more information from people who have tried both blades.

 

[Lazer]

I interpret Pedro’s answer as regarding the composite layers effect om a blade. Not the Viscaria in specific.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Airoc]

SALC is certainly more stiff, direct and faster, while ALC is softer, bit slower and has higher arc.

In direct comparison of two blades with the same weight and the same rubbers this is as accurate as it is compact. If someone wants to give percentage ratings of the isolated factors, go ahead.

But all that does not make one "better" than the other, that depends on what you want to do with it.

 

[SFF_lib]

SALC in general - lower arc, longer trajectory, higher speed close to table, lower ceiling away from table.

 

[MarekD]

I never used any of them, but SALC is certainly more stiff, direct and faster, while ALC is softer, bit slower and has higher arc.

What do you mean by the word "stiff" you mean harder?
I have information that SALC is harder, more flexible and kicks more, not stiffer.

 

[MarekD]

In direct comparison of two blades with the same weight and the same rubbers this is as accurate as it is compact. If someone wants to give percentage ratings of the isolated factors, go ahead.

But all that does not make one "better" than the other, that depends on what you want to do with it.

Yes, sorry for the poorly chosen question. It really doesn't matter if it's better or worse, I'm more interested in the subjective differences between the blades.

 

[MarekD]

There can also be a comparison with Fan Zhendong SALC. It's more or less the same.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Please, what is the difference between blade Viscaria and Viscaria salc? Which one is better in your opinion?

as many said, it all depends what you want.
Super is faster, some players who changed didn't like it, some did. and they using similar rubber combinations.

SALC is faster, lower arc in general.
good or not, is all relative to the player.

 

[Federal_Agent]

I have the both, so my perception:

Speed - SuperVis > Vis
Arc - Vis > SuperVis
Deep - SuperVis > Vis
Flexibility - Vis > SuperVis
Hardness - SuperVis > Vis
Hold - Vis > SuperVis

Very similar feeling because the diferences are small

 

[ttarc]

A comparison of all Fan Zhendong blades can be found here: https://ttgearlab.com/2023/06/05/butterfly-fan-zhendong-series-lab-test/

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I have the both, so my perception:

Speed - SuperVis > Vis
Arc - Vis > SuperVis
Deep - SuperVis > Vis
Flexibility - Vis > SuperVis
Hardness - SuperVis > Vis
Hold - Vis > SuperVis

Very similar feeling because the diferences are small

Definitely

 

[NextLevel]

I have the both, so my perception:

Speed - SuperVis > Vis
Arc - Vis > SuperVis
Deep - SuperVis > Vis
Flexibility - Vis > SuperVis
Hardness - SuperVis > Vis
Hold - Vis > SuperVis

Very similar feeling because the diferences are small

I agree with all this, it is basically a faster blade (slightly) that feels largely the same. That is the main appeal, if you want a slightly faster blade that feels like a Viscaria, this is the way to go but it has quite a few of the problems of a slightly faster blade but the fact that even with those problems, it feels largely the same is the main appeal. This blade would appeal most to people who find rubbersbliek Dignics 05 ot 09c a bit too controlled on a Viscaria and want something with a bit more pop to compensate.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I agree with all this, it is basically a faster blade (slightly) that feels largely the same. That is the main appeal, if you want a slightly faster blade that feels like a Viscaria, this is the way to go but it has quite a few of the problems of a slightly faster blade but the fact that even with those problems, it feels largely the same is the main appeal. This blade would appeal most to people who find rubbersbliek Dignics 05 ot 09c a bit too controlled on a Viscaria and want something with a bit more pop to compensate.

I would argue that Super Vis, with it's drastically reduced vibrations compared to traditional Vis, has a pretty different feeling because of that.

 

[NextLevel]

I would argue that Super Vis, with it's drastically reduced vibrations compared to traditional Vis, has a pretty different feeling because of that.

Well such things are subjective but I actually feel that because the Super Viscaria is not that much thicker, for me feels less stiff and the vibrations are in a surprisingly high range that it is surprisingly flexible for a blade that gets the ball moving as easily as it does. Speaking as an owner of two of them. For the ones I play with, I don't feel the drastically reduce vibrations. I do know that the ball doesn't do quite what I wish it would do sometimes in terms of arc.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Well such things are subjective but I actually feel that because the Super Viscaria is not that much thicker, for me feels less stiff and the vibrations are in a surprisingly high range that it is surprisingly flexible for a blade that gets the ball moving as easily as it does. Speaking as an owner of two of them. For the ones I play with, I don't feel the drastically reduce vibrations. I do know that the ball doesn't do quite what I wish it would do sometimes in terms of arc.

Wonder if it could be just a difference in the individual blades though Butterfly is usually pretty consistent on this. The SV that I had was noticeably stiffer and more muted in vibrations than the Viscaria and FZD ALC that I have used extensively, and this assessment of the SV was agreed with by two other 2400+ power attackers who currently and have long used a Viscaria and Timo Boll ALC. However, another SV that I borrowed seemed less stiff and muted than mine though still more than the Viscaria and FZD ALC. Same rubbers on both. Not sure if the second one was lighter.

Both SVs had drastically lower arc than Viscaria.

 

[NextLevel]

The SALC seems a bit soft, but Butterfly from their specs will tell you that the blade was designed to be thinner and more flexible than the Viscaria. Whether it actually turned out that way, who knows, they designed it to be faster and everyone agrees it is. Some people also say it is somewhat softer and the speed is a bit of trampoline compared to the Viscaria. But in the end, I think all in all, most people do agree that it is a faster Viscaria, which is was the goal.

Wonder if it could be just a difference in the individual blades though Butterfly is usually pretty consistent on this. The SV that I had was noticeably stiffer and more muted in vibrations than the Viscaria and FZD ALC that I have used extensively, and this assessment of the SV was agreed with by two other 2400+ power attackers who currently and have long used a Viscaria and Timo Boll ALC. However, another SV that I borrowed seemed less stiff and muted than mine though still more than the Viscaria and FZD ALC. Same rubbers on both. Not sure if the second one was lighter.

Both SVs had drastically lower arc than Viscaria.

 

[zeio]

Viscaria SALC with 40+ ABS ball actually plays kind of like the Viscaria with 38mm celluloid ball back in the 90s. Ahead of its time.

 

[BobFL]

Don't want to hijack the thread. Just to share my experience with alc vs. salc tech. I play with both FZDALC and FZDSALC. I guess I am in a minority who thinks that SALC is actually less bouncy, and yes....slower that ALC. It is also less crispy on contact, more muted. The exception is when you hit hard and at that point you can hear that BEAUTIFUL alc-click. ALC sounds a bit hollow on hard hits and the block. SALC feels super solid and gives that sense of high security. The sweet spot is HUGE. No weird vibrations if you hit with outer part of the head. It is super consistent.

I use D05 2.1. And I also agree with ZEIO that FZDSALC plays ahead of its time.