Continuous Backhand Looping against block - rhythm trigger

[ZFT]

The Rhythm of flowing with the incoming ball so your body is in the correct position and you can hit at the correct timing.

My trigger for continuous forehand looping is relaxing with my follow thru until the ball is physically blocked which acts as the trigger to start the motion back to and then from my right hip and then executing my fh looping stroke again. The better the training partner at being able to down-block the more flowing it feels. Now that I have the trigger correct I’ve broken through to be able to be quite consistent with partners that can only active/kick block.

I haven’t found the same trigger or rhythm for continuous backhand looping after opening against push.

I’m hoping I have articulated myself properly and I can get some advice on how others have overcome.

In my mind I feel this is a super advanced topic but I’m hopeful in reality this skill could be something intermediate level have been able to figure out or there is a coaching shortcut that I can work on.

 

[lodro]

yes rhytm is good but can also be dangerous by getting you into a bit of a trance and one won't be able to react fast enough to a change of pace and placement from the opposition.

Good for training and creating muscle memory though.

 

[Dr Evil]

For continuous looping against block, I start the backswing at the peak of the bounce for contact during the early descent.

 

[Zezima]

There is a video about this but basically you don't backswing immediately but backswing with the flow of the incoming ball and just before it gets into your hitzone you accelerate. So basically the key point here is not to backswing too early.

 

[ZFT]

There is a video about this but basically you don't backswing immediately but backswing with the flow of the incoming ball and just before it gets into your hitzone you accelerate. So basically the key point here is not to backswing too early.

Yes correct, it’s good I could get the point of my issue across 😀

What is your trigger to start your backswing not too early?

 

[ZFT]

yes rhytm is good but can also be dangerous by getting you into a bit of a trance and one won't be able to react fast enough to a change of pace and placement from the opposition.

Good for training and creating muscle memory though.

I disagree with this as recognising the rhythm of the incoming ball, whether it is fast or slow or the varied placement is the key for consistency in training or in matches.

Muscle memory is the opposite of recognising rhythm - shadow play with no ball is my understanding of building muscle memory.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

The Rhythm of flowing with the incoming ball so your body is in the correct position and you can hit at the correct timing.

My trigger for continuous forehand looping is relaxing with my follow thru until the ball is physically blocked which acts as the trigger to start the motion back to and then from my right hip and then executing my fh looping stroke again. The better the training partner at being able to down-block the more flowing it feels. Now that I have the trigger correct I’ve broken through to be able to be quite consistent with partners that can only active/kick block.

I haven’t found the same trigger or rhythm for continuous backhand looping after opening against push.

I’m hoping I have articulated myself properly and I can get some advice on how others have overcome.

In my mind I feel this is a super advanced topic but I’m hopeful in reality this skill could be something intermediate level have been able to figure out or there is a coaching shortcut that I can work on.

Use your feet as a trigger.
I call it to step into position, to find that trigger point.
even if it is the same spot, to do the trigger from 1) feet, by stepping onto the position you need, 2) lower your balance and get behind the path of the ball, 3) strike.

if you can trigger 1) feet correctly, your backhand will have no problem

 

[lodro]

I disagree with this as recognising the rhythm of the incoming ball, whether it is fast or slow or the varied placement is the key for consistency in training or in matches.

Muscle memory is the opposite of recognising rhythm - shadow play with no ball is my understanding of building muscle memory.

Suit yourself 😁 😁 😁

 

[blahness]

Most important for me is reaching the backswing position with the body and legs. Hand can just follow the body and be relaxed. And then just wait for ball to come to the optimal hitting position and you start the forward swing. The faster and more accurately you reach the backswing position with the body, the more accurate the timing will be. But, of course it is easier said than done.

I'm a lot better at this on the BH than I am on the FH. I can almost play 3/4 table with just BH at this point lol, not that it helps me in any way. I need to train my FH footwork and loop more ugh.

On this, imo the trigger for BH is the left hip - similar to FH with the right hip. That is what I feel.

 

[ZFT]

@blahness I think this is the reply I have been waiting for, although there have been excellent points made about the later timing, bounce point and the feet as the trigger points from @Zezima @Dr Evil @Tony's Table Tennis.

I think using the hip as the trigger will naturally function as helping to hit the ball later.

I’m super motivated now to put in the hard work at my next training session!

 

[Zezima]

Yes correct, it’s good I could get the point of my issue across 😀

What is your trigger to start your backswing not too early?

I think I move first with the legs. Then wait till the ball has landed on my side of the table. Here you need to see if the ball lands very close to the white line or not. If the ball doesnt land close to the white line then its easy my backswing starts when the ball hits my side of the table.

If you start your backswing even before that then you usually dont position yourself for the incoming ball with the legs and also because you are ready already you might tend to hit the ball way in front of you

Not sure if that's what you were asking.

 

[lodro]

Not sure if that's what you were asking.

He is not really asking , he is telling 😂

 

[ZFT]

He is not really asking , he is telling 😂

Don’t feed this troll guys.

Zero input of value so far.. I hope you can at least be helpful with a justification of why/why not and not become lodro, son of Igor

 

[NetProphet]

He is not really asking , he is telling 😂

No he's not. You just can't handle it when someone doesn't agree with you and what you've said it post 2 is categorically incorrect.
Recognising the 'rhythm' (as the OP is attempting to explain his understanding of this) of the incoming ball is exactly what enables you to react to differing speeds. Muscle memory helps to ensure correct execution of said shot.

 

[ZFT]

I think I move first with the legs. Then wait till the ball has landed on my side of the table. Here you need to see if the ball lands very close to the white line or not. If the ball doesnt land close to the white line then its easy my backswing starts when the ball hits my side of the table.

If you start your backswing even before that then you usually dont position yourself for the incoming ball with the legs and also because you are ready already you might tend to hit the ball way in front of you

Not sure if that's what you were asking.

Yeah this is very helpful and I think this is my problem. On reflection I do feel I focus on the backswing too early and it gets stuck and lose power like it has been already expended, especially with a shorter landing ball and I end up reaching out

 

[lodro]

You just can't handle it when someone doesn't agree with you and what you've said it post 2 is categorically incorrect.

No problem here with the "handling". 🙂 If you actually read post #2 it starts with me saying """"yes rhythm is good"""". What i likely failed to explain properly is the difference between doing things during training, multi-ball, robot etc. and the actual match-play.

btw. I can't be Igor's son because I am older than he is 😂

 

[NetProphet]

No problem here with the "handling". 🙂 If you actually read post #2 it starts with me saying """"yes rhythm is good"""". What i likely failed to explain properly is the difference between doing things during training, multi-ball, robot etc. and the actual match-play.

btw. I can't be Igor's son because I am older than he is 😂

I don't know who called you Igor's son but that's a good one 😂
Maybe he's your son?? 😉

 

[lodro]

I don't know who called you Igor's son but that's a good one 😂
Maybe he's your son?? 😉

I honestly could not say, I have traveled a lot and been in many countries and met a lot of nice girls and............................. 😁

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

No problem here with the "handling". 🙂 If you actually read post #2 it starts with me saying """"yes rhythm is good"""". What i likely failed to explain properly is the difference between doing things during training, multi-ball, robot etc. and the actual match-play.

btw. I can't be Igor's son because I am older than he is 😂

igor, son of lodro

 

[ZFT]

I implemented hitting later, is it normal to have the ball disappear under your line of sight at the very last moment? At impact?