ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025, 4/14-20

[NextLevel]

Kanak crushes Cifuentes 1, 4, 4, and 3. With 44 points won to 12 lost, he'll probably only have to split games with Dang Qiu to advance.

I don't think Kanak has beaten Qiu before. But of course, he only has to split games unless Qiu beats Cifuentes even worse.

 

[Dr Evil]

I don't think Kanak has beaten Qiu before. But of course, he only has to split games unless Qiu beats Cifuentes even worse.

Unless he's sick or injured, Cifuentes is almost sure to play a lot better. Probably not enough to win a game from Qiu but 12 points is not a high bar to clear. Still a big ask for Kanak to advance, but possible.

 

[NextLevel]

Youtueba chats: Uda overrated... Uda daydreaming...

 

[JackJohnson]

Youtueba chats: Uda overrated... Uda daydreaming...

This is unexpected from Eugene Wang but he did nearly beat Kanak Jha in the final of Pan America earlier this year.

 

[NextLevel]

Over the Hill MLTT player Wang Eugene reminding us why I said it was really silly to talk about MLTT players in terms of age instead of skill level. All the arguments I made about Kou Lei could be applied to him as well.

 

[joshmak10]

Serving controversy between HYZ and El beiali

 

[JackJohnson]

Serving controversy between HYZ and El beiali

Near the end 2 times TTR is showing video footage of Elbeiali serves. Has he been the one who is serving illegally by hiding the ball or has HYZ also done the same but didn’t get caught out? Did I miss a part where they also reviewed footage of HYZ serves when TTR was used?

 

[joshmak10]

Near the end 2 times TTR is showing video footage of Elbeiali serves. Has he been the one who is serving illegally by hiding the ball or has HYZ also done the same but didn’t get caught out? Did I miss a part where they also reviewed footage of HYZ serves when TTR was used?

I only saw Elbeiali gettig TTR. And to me his serves that were TTRed were blatantly illegal. HYZ serves was far less illegal to me

 

[zeio]

LOL
Chiang Peng-Lung (?) to the referee (?): 他在吵什麼?/What's he fussing about?

LIVE! | T1 | Group Stage Day 1 | ITTF Men's and Women's World Cup Macao 2025 | Session 1 (M)
https://youtu.be/z8HmifvDdMY?t=20789

Grp8 M1
Lind 1-3 Feng Yi-Hsin (-8, 6, -3, -9)

 

[Asgerje]

It seems to me that nobody knows how the ttr system works, not even the umpires.

 

[yamagata]

It will be an interesting event, and also good to have a tournament with another format compared to WTT series, however, I am confused. Will the players that wins in Macao be considered best in the world? Or the ones that wins in Doha in May? Or the ones that won WTT finals in Fukuoka? Or the ones topping the WTT ranking? Or the ones that won in the last Olympics since it was less then a year ago?

 

[piligrim]

Over the Hill MLTT player Wang Eugene reminding us why I said it was really silly to talk about MLTT players in terms of age instead of skill level. All the arguments I made about Kou Lei could be applied to him as well.

Uda not consistent

 

[Shine]

It will be an interesting event, and also good to have a tournament with another format compared to WTT series, however, I am confused. Will the players that wins in Macao be considered best in the world? Or the ones that wins in Doha in May? Or the ones that won WTT finals in Fukuoka? Or the ones topping the WTT ranking? Or the ones that won in the last Olympics since it was less then a year ago?

" Best in the world" is a subjective label, and people have all kinds of illusory imaginations of what to expect from a player tagged as the best among his/her peers.

These competitions are different ones obviously, and each of them has different histories and pedigrees behind them.
WTT ranking is a ranking system that assesses how well a player has played over the last one year as a function of how many tournaments he/she has been.

World Cup in Macao is an exclusive meeting of the best regional players from the continental cups, and is generally regarded as the 3rd in the hierarchy of championships behind the WTTC and Olympics. It is held every year.

The World Table Tennis Championships as the name suggests is a prestigious tournament to determine the "world champion" in different disciplines of the sport. It's open to a very big field, runs for roughly 2 weeks, and is held once every two years. It's the number 2 in the hierarchy behind the Olympics.

The Olympics is the most coveted and treasured competition mostly because it's held once in four years, and the worldwide draw, prestige and national pride is unmatched.

The WTT Finals formerly known as the WTGF is a tourney usually held at the end of the year, and brings together the top 16 players who accumulated the most points in the WTT circuit over the year. It's probably number 4 in terms of how table tennis aficionados rate TT tournaments.

 

[piligrim]

" Best in the world" is a subjective label, and people have all kinds of illusory imaginations of what to expect from a player tagged as the best among his/her peers.

These competitions are different ones obviously, and each of them has different histories and pedigrees behind them.
WTT ranking is a ranking system that assesses how well a player has played over the last one year as a function of how many tournaments he/she has been.

World Cup in Macao is an exclusive meeting of the best regional players from the continental cups, and is generally regarded as the 3rd in the hierarchy of championships behind the WTTC and Olympics. It is held every year.

The World Table Tennis Championships as the name suggests is a prestigious tournament to determine the "world champion" in different disciplines of the sport. It's open to a very big field, runs for roughly 2 weeks, and is held once every two years. It's the number 2 in the hierarchy behind the Olympics.

The Olympics is the most coveted and treasured competition mostly because it's held once in four years, and the worldwide draw, prestige and national pride is unmatched.

The WTT Finals formerly known as the WTGF is a tourney usually held at the end of the year, and brings together the top 16 players who accumulated the most points in the WTT circuit over the year. It's probably number 4 in terms of how table tennis aficionados rate TT tournaments.

Thank you chatgpt ))

 

[backspacer]

In badminton and tennis you get fancy video proof for everyone to see when someone uses the hawkeye and here you just get the awkward wait until the umpire puts on the headset, explains to the tech team why the call was made and shares the result with the umpire?

 

[NextLevel]

Nice, we got another serve controversy at Anders Lind‘s match which’s been going on for like 5 minutes now

We have TTR here so serve controversies are good.

 

[Robin0910]

It’s do dumb they only have a camera from 1 angle. The problem with hiding serves is mostly between right and left handed players anyway

 

[Robin0910]

they really should do something about the continental ranking system. It hurts to watch how the male Australian players have been underperforming so far… a bunch of other players would‘ve deserved to qualify instead of them… and these are not top 20 players they’re playing against, except Oh

correction, Nicholas Lum is faring quite well!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It will be an interesting event, and also good to have a tournament with another format compared to WTT series, however, I am confused. Will the players that wins in Macao be considered best in the world? Or the ones that wins in Doha in May? Or the ones that won WTT finals in Fukuoka? Or the ones topping the WTT ranking? Or the ones that won in the last Olympics since it was less then a year ago?

you have raised a very important question, table tennis is indeed very confusing for fans who come from other sports.

In the past you have the 3 majors - olympic gold, world championship champion, and world cup winner.
There was finals before too, world tour/pro tour finals, and now it is just called WTT finals
The previous finals wasn't as serious, since it was mostly few countries playing and winning (think of 6 to 9 Chinese players of 16 players taking part).
WTT ranking is just world number 1 per se, and there is some other stats like - how many days/week, at world number 1. Ranking number 1 only gives you seeding, and other than glory, there is no monetary or ranking point value in it.

Now today, ITTF and WTT are separated (even though WTT is a subsidiary, the marketing/event/IT staff are not the same people).
ITTF is World Cup/World Champ/Mixed Team world cup etc
WTT now has Finals, Smash, Champions
Finals at one stage was supposed to replaced the world cup.

now each of these have fancy points, so if you were to use "ranking points" and the winners of each event to see what is important.... here is goes:

OG 2000
Smash 2000
World Champ 2000
Finals 1500
World Cup 1500
Champions 1000

note, OG is every 4 years, World Champ individuals is every 2 years. The others are every year, with Smash having 4 and Champions 6 per year.

 

[NextLevel]

you have raised a very important question, table tennis is indeed very confusing for fans who come from other sports.

In the past you have the 3 majors - olympic gold, world championship champion, and world cup winner.
There was finals before too, world tour/pro tour finals, and now it is just called WTT finals
The previous finals wasn't as serious, since it was mostly few countries playing and winning (think of 6 to 9 Chinese players of 16 players taking part).
WTT ranking is just world number 1 per se, and there is some other stats like - how many days/week, at world number 1. Ranking number 1 only gives you seeding, and other than glory, there is no monetary or ranking point value in it.

Now today, ITTF and WTT are separated (even though WTT is a subsidiary, the marketing/event/IT staff are not the same people).
ITTF is World Cup/World Champ/Mixed Team world cup etc
WTT now has Finals, Smash, Champions
Finals at one stage was supposed to replaced the world cup.

now each of these have fancy points, so if you were to use "ranking points" and the winners of each event to see what is important.... here is goes:

OG 2000
Smash 2000
World Champ 2000
Finals 1500
World Cup 1500
Champions 1000

note, OG is every 4 years, World Champ individuals is every 2 years. The others are every year, with Smash having 4 and Champions 6 per year.

Yeah the WTTC is not for ranking what it used to be. Very much a shame IMHO, but let us see how it goes.