If you are the CNT boss, what would you do?

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i actually have you on ignore, so not sure what you typed before

but here is someone I respect a lot.




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if you think aging in the CNT is the same as any other countries, then you are a special kind indeed.

never the less, are you trying to answer for zeio? he is a big kid now, let him answer my questions himself, i am sure he can handle it.

btw, sweeping everything is kindof norm for the past how many decades? have you been under a rock this whole time?


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Liu Guoliang and Li Sun have been involved in coaching the main players of the team before Qin Zhijian became Ma Long's coach. They look their age, a little on the chubby side.
Ma Lin is just 4 years younger than QZJ "officially", some say he's 2 years younger in reality but he doesn't look drastically different compared to his playing days.
KLH was coach of the Chinese women's team for many years before the gambling controversy struck him down. He was always glowing and he looked eternally young. I used to think "What's this guy's skincare routine like?" whenever I watched CNT women's team competitions. He looked radiant.

There are other coaches who have been involved for many years in the national team set-up like Chen Zhenjiang, Liu Heng and they're not looking like age is doing a number on them.

I've mentioned at least 6 coaches now. Even Wang Hao looks fitter since becoming a coach compared to when he was a player. That makes it 7.

But of course, You'd reference QZJ with no attention paid to his genetics, lifestyle outside coaching and other variables - not like you know much about these things obviously, but that's neither here and there- and use him nefariously as the poster boy of your unsubstantiated "fast aging curve" of CNT coaches, ignoring virtually all other coaches of the team who do not fit your hypothesis.

You've perfected the art of cherry picking and strawmanning. I think you need to pick up a book on logical fallacies. Doesn't look good on you buddy.

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Silly me, calling that an hypothesis. Balderdash, hogwash or drivel would be more befitting.
 
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Silly me, calling that an hypothesis. Balderdash, hogwash or drivel would be more befitting.
And btw, to whom it may concern, These are not insults to your person. Cos I know there's a bit of a barrier to language appraisal and some confusion in that noggin. Sorry, I can't help you with that.
 
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SYS or WMY would get her down 4-2 at worst. No big deal.
Overconfidence is always the biggest enemy of oneself. Just look up how it turned out for Sato at WTTC 2017 and 2019. Like for Felix, Hashimoto's early exit at Zennihon Takkyu 2025 should not be swept under the rug and her win at WTT CT Taiyuan 2025 should be treated with caution. Luckily, this was not WTT Champions.

HIGHLIGHTS | ELIZABETA SAMARA VS HAN YING | CCB Top 16 Europe Cup 2025 Final
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAWV4WPRio
 
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Overconfidence is always the biggest enemy of oneself. Just look up how it turned out for Sato at WTTC 2017 and 2019. Like for Felix, Hashimoto's early exit at Zennihon Takkyu 2025 should not be swept under the rug and her win at WTT CT Taiyuan 2025 should be treated with caution. Luckily, this was not WTT Champions.

HIGHLIGHTS | ELIZABETA SAMARA VS HAN YING | CCB Top 16 Europe Cup 2025 Final
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAWV4WPRio
No one's denying her talent. She can beat the top players once in a while. But I doubt if she can beat them at their best at the biggest competitions. Beating small fries is all good and well. She's supposed to beat them anyway by virtue of ranking. Beating ZYL is no small feat though, that should be acknowledged.
 
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Same old problem for WCQ. One event only and still the same problem.

World Cup 2025
MS SF
Calderano 4-3 WCQ (12, -5, -6, -7, 7, 5, 10)

It comes down to WCQ, LJK and LGY, but the latter two are on the way out, so the real concern is WCQ (losing to Moregard at Paris 2024), which is not surprising as I cautioned ahead of Paris 2024.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/everything-about-wcq.33067/post-507707
His MT record in the Paris 2024 cycle is really shaky. Once we look past WTTC 2023 and Asian Games 2022, his MS record is also inconsistent at best. Given that he is just 1 year younger than FZD in reality, if he has trouble holding his own now, there is no telling that in the next few years he will run into the problems that FZD faces right now.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/world-cup-2024.33476/post-455274
Not weak per se, but rather not as strong as it appears.

Togami and Tanaka have mentioned how it was easier than they thought to hold rallies with WCQ in interviews after WTTC 2021 and ATTC 2023, respectively.

WCT has also talked about how he was overwhelmed by WCQ in 3rd ball and speed in the first 2 games before finding his way around them after Asian Games 2022. Tieba users even teased WCQ for having trouble to keep up with WCT in rallies.

As I pointed out last week, he becomes more vulnerable if you manage to find a way around his serve. AJH did just that in the group match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mUbHX6FGgs
 
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@zeio, what's your opinion, how far in the future is the time when we will have to have weight categories like in martial arts ;-)))
Hmm, that's hard to tell. In both boxing and weightlifting, reduction in weight categories is the current trend.

IOC confirms qualification criteria and weight classes for Paris 2024 Olympics
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1121360/ioc-paris-2024-qualification-weights

Beleaguered Olympic boxing has a new look in Paris: Gender parity, but the smallest field in decades
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...st-field-in-decades/articleshow/111870257.cms

📢 Big News in Olympic Weightlifting! 🏋️‍♂️🌍
https://www.reddit.com/r/weightlifting/comments/1h82esh/big_news_in_olympic_weightlifting/

IWF to reduce number of weight categories from June 2025 after proposal from Innovation Commission
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/othe...-new-categories-full-list/article68954906.ece
 
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Same old problem for WCQ. One event only and still the same problem.

World Cup 2025
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Calderano 4-3 WCQ (12, -5, -6, -7, 7, 5, 10)



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At his current form I think he will still be picked for Men’s Doubles, Mixed Doubles and Mixed Teams for LA2028 Olympics.

Still way too early to say who better at Mixed Doubles Wang/Sun or Lin/Kuai.

The question mark right now is Men’s Singles. Depends if the younger players are like ML or FZD quality. ML will definitely not be at LA2028 but maybe FZD might come out of retirement for that if Lin and WCQ are not consistent enough and the younger players are not better than FZD.

Both Lin and WCQ right now are too inconsistent. Lin so far losing to Harimoto the last couple of times they played and WCQ losing to European players or Calderano.
 
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WCQ losses. probably record for CNT/WR no1 player

2024 x 5
2025 x 1

Year EventName Player A Player B Sub-Event Round Games Result Winner
2024WTT Champions, Frankfurt (GER)WANG Chuqin (CHN)KALLBERG Anton (SWE)MSMain DrawR160 - 38:11 5:11 6:11KALLBERG Anton
2024Asian Championships, Astana (KAZ)WANG Chuqin (CHN)OH Junsung (KOR)MSMain DrawQuarterFinal1 - 38:11 11:2 8:11 6:11OH Junsung
2024Asian Championships, Astana (KAZ)WANG Chuqin (CHN)FARAJI Benyamin (IRI)MTMain DrawQuarterFinal2 - 38:11 11:3 11:9 11:13 9:11FARAJI Benyamin
2024China Smash, Beijing (CHN)WANG Chuqin (CHN)LIND Anders (DEN)MSMain DrawR321 - 311:13 11:9 6:11 7:11LIND Anders
2024Olympic Games, Paris (FRA)WANG Chuqin (CHN)MOREGARD Truls (SWE)MSMain DrawR322 - 410:12 7:11 11:5 11:7 9:11 6:11MOREGARD Truls
 
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CNT losing record 2024 onwards (WCQ/LSD/LJK, CNT top 3 singles player)

Year EventName Player A Player B Sub-Event Round Games Result Winner
2024WTT Contender, Taiyuan (CHN)LEBRUN Alexis (FRA)LIN Shidong (CHN)MSMain DrawR163 - 112:10 6:11 11:7 11:4LEBRUN Alexis
2024Singapore Smash, Singapore (SGP)LIN Shidong (CHN)BOLL Timo (GER)MSMain DrawR161 - 37:11 8:11 11:5 10:12BOLL Timo
2024WTT Finals Men, Doha (QAT)LIN Shidong (CHN)QIU Dang (GER)MSMain DrawR162 - 39:11 8:11 11:7 11:2 8:11QIU Dang
2024WTT Finals, Fukuoka (JPN)HARIMOTO Tomokazu (JPN)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)MSMain DrawR163 - 111:7 11:6 9:11 12:10HARIMOTO Tomokazu
2024WTT Champions, Montpellier (FRA)DUDA Benedikt (GER)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)MSMain DrawQuarterFinal3 - 011:9 11:9 11:7DUDA Benedikt
2024Asian Championships, Astana (KAZ)ALAMIYAN Noshad (IRI)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)MSMain DrawR323 - 015:13 11:9 15:13ALAMIYAN Noshad
2024Asian Championships, Astana (KAZ)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)HUANG Yan-Cheng (TPE)MTMain DrawFinal2 - 311:7 7:11 11:1 9:11 11:13HUANG Yan-Cheng
2024Asian Championships, Astana (KAZ)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)AN Jaehyun (KOR)MTMain DrawSemiFinal0 - 37:11 11:13 1:11AN Jaehyun
2024WTT Champions, Macao (MAC)QIU Dang (GER)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)MSMain DrawQuarterFinal3 - 22:11 8:11 12:10 11:5 11:5QIU Dang
2024WTT Champions, Chongqing (CHN)CALDERANO Hugo (BRA)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)MSMain DrawQuarterFinal3 - 211:6 11:8 11:13 8:11 11:6CALDERANO Hugo
2024Saudi Smash, Jeddah (KSA)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)ALAMIYAN Noshad (IRI)MSMain DrawR322 - 314:12 6:11 11:8 9:11 5:11ALAMIYAN Noshad
2024ITTF World Cup, Macao (MAC)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)KALLBERG Anton (SWE)MSMain DrawR163 - 411:3 8:11 5:11 6:11 11:8 11:9 6:11KALLBERG Anton
2024WTT Finals Men, Doha (QAT)QIU Dang (GER)LIANG Jingkun (CHN)MSMain DrawQuarterFinal3 - 22:11 14:12 6:11 11:9 11:6QIU Dang
 
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WCQ losses. probably record for CNT/WR no1 player

2024 x 5
2025 x 1

Year EventName Player A Player B Sub-Event Round Games Result Winner
2024WTT Champions, Frankfurt (GER)WANG Chuqin (CHN)KALLBERG Anton (SWE)MSMain DrawR160 - 38:11 5:11 6:11KALLBERG Anton
2024Asian Championships, Astana (KAZ)WANG Chuqin (CHN)OH Junsung (KOR)MSMain DrawQuarterFinal1 - 38:11 11:2 8:11 6:11OH Junsung
2024Asian Championships, Astana (KAZ)WANG Chuqin (CHN)FARAJI Benyamin (IRI)MTMain DrawQuarterFinal2 - 38:11 11:3 11:9 11:13 9:11FARAJI Benyamin
2024China Smash, Beijing (CHN)WANG Chuqin (CHN)LIND Anders (DEN)MSMain DrawR321 - 311:13 11:9 6:11 7:11LIND Anders
2024Olympic Games, Paris (FRA)WANG Chuqin (CHN)MOREGARD Truls (SWE)MSMain DrawR322 - 410:12 7:11 11:5 11:7 9:11 6:11MOREGARD Truls
How does WCQ compare to ML, FZD and XX when they were rank 1 in terms of how many losses so far. WCQ seems to lose to players he is expected to win too frequently now for a former No1 player now No2 player? I don’t know if ML, FZD and XX ever experienced the same thing as what WCQ is experiencing now. The only thing that is different is that ML or FZD never suffered an early R32 exit in Mens Singles at an Olympics.

Is WCQ R32 exit the earliest a player from China has been out in Men Singles post 2000 Olympics as thats where they started to get much better at Table Tennis but from 2008 till 2024 thats where their dominance really kicked in if we are talking about Olympics.
 
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Is WCQ R32 exit the earliest a player from China has been out in Men Singles post 2000 Olympics as thats where they started to get much better at Table Tennis but from 2008 till 2024 thats where their dominance really kicked in if we are talking about Olympics.
呂林/Lu Lin, a doubles specialist (1992 MD Olympic champion/1996 MD Silver medalist with Wang Tao), is the worst-ever in CNT's Olympic history. Didn't advance out of group stage in Barcelona 1992. But in terms of single elimination format which started in Athens 2004, WCQ is the worst.

They started to get better at Atlanta 1996 with LGL (1996 MS/MD Olympic champion) and KLH (1996 MD Olympic champion and 2000 MS Olympic champion, lost to KTS in MS R16/R1 of main draw in 1996, always had difficulty playing him).
 
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I don't think WCQ should feel too bad about this one. That's the best I've seen Hugo play, especially his short game.
Hugo was indeed on fire.
LSD didn't loose much in the past 4 months + 12 month period
WCQ and LJK has loss way too much for any CNT main player

LSD has loss his 4th.
LJK 11,
WCQ 6
 
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