ITTF WTTC Finals Doha 2025, 5/17-25

[baotran]

It all boils down to perspective. What you said can easily be valid from the french pov also, are the koreans better at studying players than the french? How so? Since the ruy/joo and oh sang eun era, korea men's team hasnt break through yet. They didnt produce a lebrun or a harimoto, so I really dont see how exactly it was a "mistake"

Exchanging knowledge and being suspicious of your opponent are both different POV's if you ask me

The swedes, persson waldner etc, put cameras in the chinese camp just to irritate them. The camera's didnt record anything.

So a laid back chinese player could say " im better than them, let them record me all they want"

and a suspicious one would say " those f***ers, I wont play my best in practice so they dont evaluate me"

Can you try and guess which one of the two chinese falls straight into the mind trap???


I analysed too much, all am saying is, the practice you mentioned was not a crucial or deciding factor.

If indeed there is a case like that then the french coaches and lebrun brothers are not smart enough to assess such a situation...but you are smart enough?

I would say studying players and producing players are two different things. The later based on how smoothly the TT system of that country works, while the former is about the depth of the TT team with decent coaches and players. Even Korea have not produced any player at the Grand Slam tier, their team is still strong enough to effectively study anyone, plus their coaches are very experience in doing these analyzing things. Remember JYS? He gave Ma Long and Zhang Jike hard times in 2016 olympics.
In contrast, French TT has a "good" system (not sure if I can say this). They can produce top players like Gatien, Legout, Lebrun Brothers, etc. But they do not have a "collective" nation team as Korean. You can't tell a player like Gauzy or Lebesson to simulate their rivals so that Lebrun's brothers can adapt with. However Korean team can do this since they have a strong team, wide range of players and they know how to "obey" their coaches. So the problem is not how smart you are, it is about how strong your team is.

 

[Persistence TT]

Ahem...

ML wasn't "anything special" back in late 2000s to early 2010s when he kept losing to Boll and Samsonov early on at World Cup 2008, World Cup 2009 (also lost to Oh Sangeun in the groups before winning the 3rd place match) and WTTC 2010. Not to mention his losses to Kishikawa in the MT F at ATTC 2009 and Chan Kazuhiro at World Team Cup 2010.

WLQ lost to Boll at World Cup 2002, Schlager at WTTC 2003 and Boll and Chiang Peng-Lung in the group stage at World Cup 2004.

MLin lost to JSH at WTTC 2003, Waldner at Athens 2004 and almost lost to Korbel (2-3 -> 4-3) at WTTC 2005.

WH lost to Chen Weixing at WTTC 2003, RSM at Athens 2004 and Maze at WTTC 2005.

Your memory is selective. Ma long was the man after 2008. Thoses loses u mention didnt happen at his peak years or mature years however u want to call it

Wang hao after 2004 simply didnt lose against non chinese players. If you want to compare please do it right. Lets count how many losses and how often in an olympic cycle has FZD LJK LGY WCQ .

And...the JYS example is false they invited him to play in the CSL after the rio olympics

 

[yamagata]

Jang played so well in the last three sets, Truls outsmarted him during the first four games with smart placement, with his usual unfocused stretch that cost him a game, he then became solid as a rock and seemed to have an answer for everything. Only for Truls to let go of all thought and just start to blast balls all over the place at 2-6 in the decider. Most of them where successful, unfortunate for Jang who could not have done better I guess. I will definately call him Lucky Luke after this. Lucky enough to beat Togami, whose shoulders becomes bigger for every year and now he has reached his final level? I guess Togami takes down Truls.

 

[baotran]

Jang played so well in the last three sets, Truls outsmarted him during the first four games with smart placement, with his usual unfocused stretch that cost him a game, he then became solid as a rock and seemed to have an answer for everything. Only for Truls to let go of all thought and just start to blast balls all over the place at 2-6 in the decider. Most of them where successful, unfortunate for Jang who could not have done better I guess. I will definately call him Lucky Luke after this. Lucky enough to beat Togami, whose shoulders becomes bigger for every year and now he has reached his final level? I guess Togami takes down Truls.

Let's wait. Even Truls is running out of tricks and shows precise pattern of his game, no one can say anything in these kinds of big events. Truls has good mentality, so if his oponent is not much stronger than him, or having some mental issues (like Wang in olympics), he still has some chances.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

AJH has been "hiding" his shoulder issue and finally revealed it last night. (The risqué images look like they came out of a love hotel...)

谁没有伤呢，安宰贤原来一直有伤没有对外说 (Who doesn't have injuries? It turns out that AJH has been injured but never told anyone about it)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9734334850
ugvhgvv 怎么这几场都是伤员拼到最后取胜，果然意志力和拼命的加成是最可怕的
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端20楼2025-05-23 15:23回复
(How come it's the injured players that came out victorious in the end for these few matches? Sure enough, the combination of willpower and all-out is the most terrifying)

wrong translation

AJH did tell the coaches + medical staff.
the chinese text is saying, "he didn't tell outsiders"
but the english is "never told anyone".
that is a bit misleading

 

[zeio]

I would say studying players and producing players are two different things. The later based on how smoothly the TT system of that country works, while the former is about the depth of the TT team with decent coaches and players. Even Korea have not produced any player at the Grand Slam tier, their team is still strong enough to effectively study anyone, plus their coaches are very experience in doing these analyzing things. Remember JYS? He gave Ma Long and Zhang Jike hard times in 2016 olympics.
In contrast, French TT has a "good" system (not sure if I can say this). They can produce top players like Gatien, Legout, Lebrun Brothers, etc. But they do not have a "collective" nation team as Korean. You can't tell a player like Gauzy or Lebesson to simulate their rivals so that Lebrun's brothers can adapt with. However Korean team can do this since they have a strong team, wide range of players and they know how to "obey" their coaches. So the problem is not how smart you are, it is about how strong your team is.

It's a given Molin will definitely not do it, let alone the players.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/europe-top-16-cup-2025.36587/post-510323

它急了啊: 看了日本那边对莫林的采访，他本人最反对中国式封训，几乎跟中国沾边的方式都反对，主张自由散养，强调灵光一现，到底灵不灵就不知道了，那些吹他封训的肯定不懂球
2025-2-24 12:20回复
(I read Molin's interview in Japan. He is most opposed to the Chinese style of closed training, and is against almost anything that has to do with China. He advocates free range and emphasizes flash of inspiration. Whether it works or not is unknown, but those who praise his closed training definitely don't understand table tennis)

 

[yamagata]

Let's wait. Even Truls is running out of tricks and shows precise pattern of his game, no one can say anything in these kinds of big events. Truls has good mentality, so if his oponent is not much stronger than him, or having some mental issues (like Wang in olympics), he still has some chances.

In swedish TV inverview Truls admitted that he really wants to keep his style with chop blocks and weird spins, but if it is less effective his style will become more mainstream I guess. But his straight backhand punches are a nice trick to pull from time to time. It will definately be interesting to see if Truls can move Togami enough to be successful with them.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

all the abuse and retirement calling from tieba users on Mima Ito....

well Mima may not be a top 3 or world champion material, she may have a lot of flaws and limitations in her playing style, she is still a top player in the world and feared by many.

At only 24 years old, other than fighting chinese players, she also had to fight the huge influx of Japanese talents, the constant media spotlight, and then a lot of social media bullying for most of her adult years.

well deserve win. Never easy beating a top Chinese and WR4 in a WTTC
but next match is up against WR1. It won't be easy, but this shows you, if you a top level player, you are a top level player and fans against or for, both need to respect players.

sport is not about top 3 only, it is about many other players too and that is something that tieba users needs to accept. And I am sure these tieba users, are not top 3 or top 10 in the world in they respected careers.... yet they deem eligible to look down on others, especially a world top 10 players.

 

[zeio]

Your memory is selective. Ma long was the man after 2008. Thoses loses u mention didnt happen at his peak years or mature years however u want to call it

Wang hao after 2004 simply didnt lose against non chinese players. If you want to compare please do it right. Lets count how many losses and how often in an olympic cycle has FZD LJK LGY WCQ .

And...the JYS example is false they invited him to play in the CSL after the rio olympics

And LSD, who just turned 20 years old, is at his peak? You may argue the case for WCQ, who is actually 2 years older than his official age, is in his peak years.

 

[Janard]

WMY's BH topspin seems extra strong today...?

 

[NextLevel]

WMY's BH topspin seems extra strong today...?

They prepped her after the last match obviously. If you can attack someone's strength, it is the best way to make them fall apart

 

[CallMeZaddy]

When did WMY start using FZD ALC? She's no longer using inspira plus

 

[NextLevel]

Let's wait. Even Truls is running out of tricks and shows precise pattern of his game, no one can say anything in these kinds of big events. Truls has good mentality, so if his oponent is not much stronger than him, or having some mental issues (like Wang in olympics), he still has some chances.

Truls is also a bit injured but he still has one of the best and most underestimated forehands in the world. Movement and anticipation are amongst the very best as well. Let's see how it goes.

 

[NextLevel]

When did WMY start using FZD ALC? She's no longer using inspira plus

When she realized that there is no point using inferior equipment if you want to stay at the top. Only two brands consistently win titles. The rest are at best handle changes of the real brands.

 

[Janard]

They prepped her after the last match obviously. If you can attack someone's strength, it is the best way to make them fall apart

It just feels like Miwa couldn't match/contain WMY's spin much to rally today, even after three games.

Also, interesting timeout from the Harimotos.

 

[CallMeZaddy]

CXT 4-0 Hayata, now WMY 4-0 harimoto? Japan just can't compete

 

[NextLevel]

Your memory is selective. Ma long was the man after 2008. Thoses loses u mention didnt happen at his peak years or mature years however u want to call it

Wang hao after 2004 simply didnt lose against non chinese players. If you want to compare please do it right. Lets count how many losses and how often in an olympic cycle has FZD LJK LGY WCQ .

And...the JYS example is false they invited him to play in the CSL after the rio olympics

So Wang Hao losing in 2005 tomorrow Michael Maze makes Maze a Chinese player now? Really?

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

WMY's BH is just too good .... super stable, super spin.

 

[NextLevel]

CXT 4-0 Hayata, now WMY 4-0 harimoto? Japan just can't compete

Mima Ito 4-1 WY, Hayata 4-2 XS, what are you watching?

 

[zeio]

WS QF
T1 WMY (2) 4-0 Harimoto (5) (-5, -8, -9, -5)
A healthy WMY is a different player.