Finally grasped the essence of table tennis biomechanical principle Chinese style! (Chain reaction of power from the ground) (UPDATED AGAIN)

[Gozo Zyreruna]

This story reminded me of my childhood. When I was at school, my father and I would go behind the school every evening to play ping pong (I thought it was table tennis, but it was ping pong) on iron tables set up outside. I was able to quickly adapt to my opponents, and I also read Anatoly Amelin's book and learned the technique from the pictures, hitting a big tennis ball against the wall of the school. There were a lot of players, and over time I began to beat everyone there and considered myself a very strong player. But one day I got to a place where amateurs were playing with professional equipment and they simply destroyed me 3-0 without a chance. At that time, I was already a first-year student at the university. I was shocked. I bought professional rackets and began to train hard. After 2 years, I was able to take 2nd place at a tournament, and a year later I was consistently beating all the amateurs in that club. Now I understand that I am far from being the strongest player in our clubs and I have a lot to learn. And there will always be someone who will beat me 3-0 without a chance.
I got the impression that you just haven't reached the place where everyone will take you out 3-0....

 

[StreamOfWater]

Update on my technique progress:

progress.mp4

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In-game loop (training) (normal speed):

normalspeed.mp4

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In-game loop (training) (slowed)

slowed.mp4

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[ThePongCommenter]

Update on my technique progress:

progress.mp4

drive.google.com

In-game loop (training) (normal speed):

normalspeed.mp4

drive.google.com

In-game loop (training) (slowed)

slowed.mp4

drive.google.com

The shadow strokes you are doing are completely unrealistic and unsustainable if you were using a real ball. The "in-game loop" is also unrealistic, as your partner basically spoon-fed you a ball that you could have done anything with. Do you have video of you doing this 10, 20, 30 times in a row?

 

[NextLevel]

The shadow strokes you are doing are completely unrealistic and unsustainable if you were using a real ball. The "in-game loop" is also unrealistic, as your partner basically spoon-fed you a ball that you could have done anything with. Do you have video of you doing this 10, 20, 30 times in a row?

Honestly, it is better than I expected. Nothing special but at least, he hits a real ball. I agree that table tennis game speed is too challenging to prepare the way he does, but he might have a path.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Honestly, it is better than I expected. Nothing special but at least, he hits a real ball. I agree that table tennis game speed is too challenging to prepare the way he does, but he might have a path.

Yeah, the thing I would caution against is drilling in unsustainable technique early on so that is why I would like to see what happens when he has to reposition to get to the ball either laterally or in-and-out or how he recovers for a second ball and then see what elements could be kept and what should be changed going forward.

 

[NextLevel]

Yeah, the thing I would caution against is drilling in unsustainable technique early on so that is why I would like to see what happens when he has to reposition to get to the ball either laterally or in-and-out or how he recovers for a second ball and then see what elements could be kept and what should be changed going forward.

That's more about shot selection isn't it?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

That's more about shot selection isn't it?

My hunch based off reading this thread is that he tries to do this stroke on every ball

 

[NextLevel]

My hunch based off reading this thread is that he tries to do this stroke on every ball

Well, if he does, he will learn from match play that this is not wise. Trying to win matches is the experience that teaches best.

 

[longle]

I felt him completety. When I first obsessed with TT, I was exactly like him. Doing shadow forehand copying Ma Lin in the kitchen, in 2012

now my form after countless matches loses and training

It took me 12 years to nearly "grasbed" the essence of the power generation, maybe I will never be able to understand it fully lol. But with dedication you may get there much sooner than I am, so keep it up @StreamOfWater

 

[StreamOfWater]

The shadow strokes you are doing are completely unrealistic and unsustainable if you were using a real ball. The "in-game loop" is also unrealistic, as your partner basically spoon-fed you a ball that you could have done anything with. Do you have video of you doing this 10, 20, 30 times in a row?

How and why is it unsustainable/unrealistic? May you please elaborate? Thank you in advance. I indeed got spoon-fed that shot, however, isn't that how one is supposed to start to engrave habits and get a feeling for it? Already managed to execute a few times during a game, so I do not see how this is unrealistic. I am still developing it, so I will send another update when I'll make some more progress - actions speak louder than words after all

 

[StreamOfWater]

I felt him completety. When I first obsessed with TT, I was exactly like him. Doing shadow forehand copying Ma Lin in the kitchen, in 2012

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now my form after countless matches loses and training
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It took me 12 years to nearly "grasbed" the essence of the power generation, maybe I will never be able to understand it fully lol. But with dedication you may get there much sooner than I am, so keep it up @StreamOfWater

Haha 😂
Seems like we are almost on the same page. Although I am not "copying" blatantly and in empty way. I actually been observing and analysing why and how it should be done - feeling of explosivess, timing, correct use of the body. The stroke looks pretty clean already, tested also, so I am having difficulty understanding how it's unsustainable and unrealistic, as someone said above

 

[StreamOfWater]

My hunch based off reading this thread is that he tries to do this stroke on every ball

I'd love to 😂 Unfortunately that's practically impossible

 

[longle]

Haha 😂
Seems like we are almost on the same page. Although I am not "copying" blatantly and in empty way. I actually been observing and analysing why and how it should be done - feeling of explosivess, timing, correct use of the body. The stroke looks pretty clean already, tested also, so I am having difficulty understanding how it's unsustainable and unrealistic, as someone said above

because you may understand the basics, but in real matches it does not work like that, it requires "skills"

you only gain skills through training sessions (to gain muscle memory and reflexes) and real matches (to gain experience and anticipation)

 

[StreamOfWater]

because you may understand the basics, but in real matches it does not work like that, it requires "skills"

you only gain skills through training sessions (to gain muscle memory and reflexes) and real matches (to gain experience and anticipation)

Well, I completely agree on it - an actual game is way different than that of a usual training session. But all does it need is just adaptation, no? It will come with more training and extensive match play, I mean I haven't even been playing for 2 years

 

[longle]

Well, I completely agree on it - an actual game is way different than that of a usual training session. But all does it need is just adaptation, no? It will come with more training and extensive match play, I mean I haven't even been playing for 2 years

yes, when you understand the concept, adapting into training will be faster - leads to better match play

 

[Tyce]

Don't let the pessimistic comments throw you off. You found something that works for you, helps you train something regularly off the table and keeps you motivated.
How well this applies to the table is pretty much irrelevant if you have realistic expectations.
I applaud your discipline and taking the effort to share it with us.

 

[StreamOfWater]

Don't let the pessimistic comments throw you off. You found something that works for you, helps you train something regularly off the table and keeps you motivated.
How well this applies to the table is pretty much irrelevant if you have realistic expectations.
I applaud your discipline and taking the effort to share it with us.

Much love 🙏

 

[StreamOfWater]

why don't you show a rally instead of a single stroke?

if your ambition is to become a strong player there are other things that may need work too.
being photogenic doesn't win points on its own

Yes, you're right, need to work on many things, however, I found this to be my main concern for now. I am obviously not ready yet, I takes time to engrave a technique, but I will keep this thread updated and your comment in mind - I'll record one in the future 👍

 

[Egon]

Hey! @StreamOfWater ! When you work with the shadow, you do not transfer the center of gravity to the left leg at the end of the movement. At the same time, everything looks more organic in the game. Also, your movement is now more suitable for a topspin on reverse rotation - at the beginning of the movement, the hand is low. To work on the top rotation, your hand should be raised higher at the beginning of the movement. Also try to work your legs more - don't stand still, but move a little. During such trainings, I naturally start moving forward

 

[StreamOfWater]

Thank you for the tips and feedback, I'll keep it in mind 👍 @Egon