What is the most important area to jump from 1900 to 2100?

[Zezima]

Hello, your opponent is playing very slowly.
You have plenty of opportunities to counterattack.
When you serve with a slice backhand, you hit the first backhand topspin well.
I think your opponent doesn't like shots with a lot of spin. Again, I think he's slow. If you counterattack his body or his backhand, I think you'd beat him.
Best regards.

Maybe it looks that way in the video but in the actual game I could only react to block or wasn't in a good position to loop so I had to play a weak ball back. If you think he is slow then I am even slower xD (atleast on that day) No matter how shiet he was standing to the ball he still tried to do an active stroke any time which I can't seem to do with my equipment.

 

[SleepyMaster]

I think shot quality is 2400-2500?? You both seem to be playing at a noticeably higher quality shots than the top players in our area. But there are also a quite a few errors. So i dont know how the results would be. Is there any rating system in Ukraine?

In our area, the top serious players only really get to about 2400. The hobby players who are just playing for fun peak around 2100

Btw i also often play with a Ukrainian guy here who is about 2200. I think he gives Victor a good challenge as well usually

Yeah, we have ranking system, but it is very different from usatt. It gives you ranking points from 0-75, and tourneys are like 0-5/0-10/0-15/0-25 and 25+ and so on. This players are about 70 ranking points, so pretty high rated.

Adam Bobrow was making a few videos with Anastasia that living and coaching in US, it’s a sister of one of this players

 

[TensorBackhand]

I did about 200 balls of receives today. After that I decided to try a new drill to work on counterloop. I just had my friend loop a ball out of his hand. After the set of counterloops, I tried a drill where I did 1 push first and then a counterloop. I didn't get a good video angle today because I didn't have my tripod with me.

 

[NextLevel]

I did about 200 balls of receives today. After that I decided to try a new drill to work on counterloop. I just had my friend loop a ball out of his hand. After the set of counterloops, I tried a drill where I did 1 push first and then a counterloop. I didn't get a good video angle today because I didn't have my tripod with me.

If this training method works, you will have taught me something new.

 

[TensorBackhand]

If this training method works, you will have taught me something new.

Well I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. I just try to identify areas where I can potentially win a few more points. If you won 3 more points each game, you'd be like 150 rating higher. Then after identifying an area where I think I could win a few more points (serve, 3rd ball, receive, counter), I just try to think of how to efficiently practice a lot of repetitions.

The only issue with looping the ball out of your hand is that its hard to get the same amount of spin that a real loop gets.

 

[NextLevel]

Well I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. I just try to identify areas where I can potentially win a few more points. If you won 3 more points each game, you'd be like 150 rating higher. Then after identifying an area where I think I could win a few more points (serve, 3rd ball, receive, counter), I just try to think of how to efficiently practice a lot of repetitions.

The only issue with looping the ball out of your hand is that its hard to get the same amount of spin that a real loop gets.

It is when a lower rated player than you does it. When a coach does it, the difference in level and game understanding compensates.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

I did about 200 balls of receives today. After that I decided to try a new drill to work on counterloop. I just had my friend loop a ball out of his hand. After the set of counterloops, I tried a drill where I did 1 push first and then a counterloop. I didn't get a good video angle today because I didn't have my tripod with me.

I think your FH counterloop is too big. you should make it more compact. when the ball is fast you don't have time to make such a big swing. also to increase the %, just borrow the speed of the incoming ball and try to control the ball with your own spin using your wrist. focus more on having on maintaining a correct stance and on the right timing, and start with the racket higher.

 

[Grumms]

What rank you estimate this players would be according to usatt? I did trained with one of them

There are so many unforced errors that whereever you click on the nav bar, you see no point being played, only people picking up the ball. Very annoying game to watch. They want to play stronger than they are, taking to much risk. But I think they are still very good.

 

[SleepyMaster]

There are so many unforced errors that whereever you click on the nav bar, you see no point being played, only people picking up the ball. Very annoying game to watch. They want to play stronger than they are, taking to much risk. But I think they are still very good.

Yes, this is table tennis, it’s not always about fancy shots, but anyway you should take risks if you wont to win at high level. And obviously they were stressing out a lot.
Actually, during the game, one of the players was telling that the bounce from the table are very different from what he used to - that’s why he making those unforced errors in his opinion. This player, that was unsatisfied with the quality of the bounce, was winning Simon Gauzy when they were cadets or under 19, I don’t remember exact age tbh.

 

[SleepyMaster]

I did about 200 balls of receives today. After that I decided to try a new drill to work on counterloop. I just had my friend loop a ball out of his hand. After the set of counterloops, I tried a drill where I did 1 push first and then a counterloop. I didn't get a good video angle today because I didn't have my tripod with me.

The quality of the feed from your guy is kinda low, not as spinny or fast enought. I think with such a quality you working not as much on counter looping rather on looping weak returns.

 

[songdavid98]

Maybe they can counterloop balls that are at 40 km/h and 80rps. But if you loop the ball at 80km/h and 150 rps, everything they know becomes useless.

The guy feeding you needs to double the speed or double the spin. Otherwise, what you are learning will become useless against people who loop hard.

 

[TensorBackhand]

The quality of the feed from your guy is kinda low, not as spinny or fast enought. I think with such a quality you working not as much on counter looping rather on looping weak returns.

The guy feeding you needs to double the speed or double the spin. Otherwise, what you are learning will become useless against people who loop hard.

Yes, I did mention in previous post that it's hard to generate enough spin looping out of your hand.

But I don't mind practicing counter-attack against a weaker loop. In a real match, I would usually block against a hard loop. I would really only want to counter-attack against a weak loop where I sense a opportunity.

 

[NextLevel]

Yes, I did mention in previous post that it's hard to generate enough spin looping out of your hand.

But I don't mind practicing counter-attack against a weaker loop. In a real match, I would usually block against a hard loop. I would really only want to counter-attack against a weak loop where I sense a opportunity.

Push your limits a bit, in matches you have less time and dont know where the ball is going so challenging yourself with stressful things helps. Might also mitigate the quality gap a bit.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Another really good drill I started doing when I am with a slightly lower ranked partner is that we play a full match except he does every serve.

Them i either loop his serve or push short. I tried today with a 1700 guy and lost first 2 games. Then won 3 straight games including 11-0 game. I feel this drill is quite useful

 

[NextLevel]

Another really good drill I started doing when I am with a slightly lower ranked partner is that we play a full match except he does every serve.

Them i either loop his serve or push short. I tried today with a 1700 guy and lost first 2 games. Then won 3 straight games including 11-0 game. I feel this drill is quite useful

The game is not quite as good as you think it is especially as a best of 5 unless the player serves well above his level. If it was a game to 11 and you alternated with you doing all serves the next game and then receiving all serves, it would be a bit more useful because against a lower rated player, it is hard for them to maintain enough serve variation to keep you on your toes. By game 3, you know what they are going to do before they do it so best of 5 is too little pressure. So if you really want to test yourself rather than just practice against someone's serves, find a scoring format that puts more pressure on you.

 

[TensorBackhand]

The game is not quite as good as you think it is especially as a best of 5 unless the player serves well above his level. If it was a game to 11 and you alternated with you doing all serves the next game and then receiving all serves, it would be a bit more useful because against a lower rated player, it is hard for them to maintain enough serve variation to keep you on your toes. By game 3, you know what they are going to do before they do it so best of 5 is too little pressure. So if you really want to test yourself rather than just practice against someone's serves, find a scoring format that puts more pressure on you.

Maybe later down the road i'll think about more pressure. I'm really just trying to setup lots and lots of repetitions for me.

Today I did 2 matches against 2 lower players. I felt like it's a good exercise to just get my body used to attacking.

After these 2 matches, I played a match against a genuinely good 2000 player. I was returning his serve very well, either looping his long serves or pushing his short serves quite well. So I felt that the drills really got me in a good mode for playing high level players.

 

[TensorBackhand]

The game is not quite as good as you think it is especially as a best of 5 unless the player serves well above his level. If it was a game to 11 and you alternated with you doing all serves the next game and then receiving all serves, it would be a bit more useful because against a lower rated player, it is hard for them to maintain enough serve variation to keep you on your toes. By game 3, you know what they are going to do before they do it so best of 5 is too little pressure. So if you really want to test yourself rather than just practice against someone's serves, find a scoring format that puts more pressure on you.

Today I did the same training match drill, my slightly lower level opponent does all the serves in a best of 5 match and I try to either attack or push short. Except this time I gave up a 0-6 headstart in each game and played out the match.

 

[TensorBackhand]

How to deal with the monotony and boredom of long multiball training?

I have been doing almost exclusively multiball training sessions where I just try to loop opponents serve. I did some 3rd ball practice as well. But after hundreds of balls, it gets pretty monotonous and boring.

How do you deal with that?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

How to deal with the monotony and boredom of long multiball training?

I have been doing almost exclusively multiball training sessions where I just try to loop opponents serve. I did some 3rd ball practice as well. But after hundreds of balls, it gets pretty monotonous and boring.

How do you deal with that?

well, as per your videos, you just use many balls, but it is really a single ball training - it isn't fair to multiballs that you call that multiball training.

solution - get a quality feeder, so you can expect a quality training session.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

How to deal with the monotony and boredom of long multiball training?

I have been doing almost exclusively multiball training sessions where I just try to loop opponents serve. I did some 3rd ball practice as well. But after hundreds of balls, it gets pretty monotonous and boring.

How do you deal with that?

Serve receive is not a multiball drill lol

If you dont like repetition you dont like table tennis training