United States Smash 2025, Las Vegas, 7/3-13

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Something inside buckled under after 66 in G1.
 
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Maybe. No one has a time machine. My point though is that everyone knew a smash was this month. Everyone came here and got the draw they were given. Months ago, we were told Uda had surpassed Togami, which has nothing to do with what Togami thinks of himself. We were told that Uda beating Duda was beating an opponent similar to Alexis Lebrun and that Togami losing to Lebrun showed that Uda had surpassed Togami.

Now they came to a Smash. Togami loses to Felix 2-3. Uda loses to Alexis 0-3. And rather than assign incomplete grades. Zeio the infallible has no amendments to make to his ledger.
Once again, Togami's case is different as a 5ch user puts it succinctly a few days ago. Uda and Tanaka are now on the reserve JNT and they have to deal with a lot of problems. Same for Sato and Hashimoto as they shared between the lines in their latest interviews.

https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1751682762/
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2025/07/06(日) 18:03:42.20ID:3oqyiedN
篠塚田中にスポンサーつかない理由はまさにそこ
世界志向が強くて準備しないといけないことが多い分支出も多い、なかなか企業がつかない
田中は本当はTリーグに留まりたくなく戸上みたいな活動がしたいのも溢れ出ちゃってる
せめて張本松島戸上より上の世間の期待値や評価値になれば変わるかもしれないがそれが見えない
だからTリーグに留まるとか、宇田みたいに実業団に入るとか、海外リーグに行くがWTTには出ないとか、何か妥協をしないとスポンサーはつかない
That's exactly why Shinozuka and Tanaka don't have sponsors. They have a strong global ambition and have to prepare a lot, so they have a lot of expenses, and it's hard to get companies to sponsor them.
Tanaka doesn't really want to stay in the T.League, and he's overflowing with the desire to do activities like Togami.
If he could at least be more highly expected and evaluated by the public than Harimoto, Matsushima, and Togami, things might change, but I can't see that happening.
So he won't get sponsors unless he compromises in some way, like staying in the T.League, joining a corporate team like Uda, or going to an overseas league but not playing in WTT.
 
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Do you think it was fair to give Harimoto a yellow card?

And now the umpire got a call wrong where he thought Harimoto serve was illegal and TTR showing it was a legal delivery. Is this bad umpiring?
 
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Just watching some replays, interesting that XP appears to have changed his BH a bit. He's playing with more aggression on that side now, with a bigger movement. Will be interesting to see how that pans out for him going forward.
 
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Do you think it was fair to give Harimoto a yellow card?

And now the umpire got a call wrong where he thought Harimoto serve was illegal and TTR showing it was a legal delivery. Is this bad umpiring?
Yellow card was entirely fair - Harimoto was trying to control the pace of a Quadri streak.

The umpires are making more calls in the Maverick Arena because there is TTR - players need to learn to challenge if they believe their tosses are good. Usually the umpires are right. Quadri has had this problem for years and he didn't even bother to challenge. Harimoto the ref was wrong about but got a hidden call right.

For me, the umpire did a great job. Others may differ.
 
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Xiang Peng celebrating a R32 win like he won a world championships lmaoo. Makes me wonder if he and sathyian have a history
Sathiyan was playing really well - Peng could really have lost that match. And this is a huge tournament for him.
 
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It's fun to poke infallible people.
Zeio lives in his own Bizarro world. I've come to accept that.
Know that you folks are fortunate to live on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, far from the table tennis cultural sphere.

A Tieba thread from 2025/7/4 on Togami's current status.

户上之前为什么会被称为“内战王”“张本克星”科普 (A guide on why Togami was called the "King of Civil War" and "Harimoto's Nemesis")
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9844637342?pid=152327788076&cid=0#152327788076
户上在巴黎周期就被说内战王全年备战张本了,全乒圈都在玩的梗,以前吧友爱说,连中国的一些乒乓球up主都调侃过,现在岁月史书成饭圈粉喊的也是搞笑。连水谷隼在解说户上张本比赛的时候都说过其他日男欠缺的是打出国门的能力。
被这么说是因为他本来就是靠jtta内战选拔制度弯道超车出来的,以前世排还不如宇田大登。户上在世排50开外的时候就很会打张本了,世排前十里对张本胜率最高。现在世排有些变动,之前哪怕是放到前20里,他对张本胜率也是最高的。
巴黎周期日本的选考,张本发挥很稳定基本次次进决赛,其他人进决赛的话就必打张本,所以会打张本优势就很大,户上就是靠着进决赛打张本必夺冠把比分跟其他人拉开的。可以去翻巴黎周期22年23年户口本对战的评论区,全是乒丝玩梗。不管在哪个协会,外战一般,但很会打队友,都会被骂内战王吧?国乒的徐瑛彬,韩乒的李恩惠,不也被说过是内战王,大勒布伦之前法锦赛一直拿冠军,对小勒布伦十连胜,也被调侃是扫弟机吧。大勒布伦拿了洲际赛冠军,说他是扫弟机的声音不也少了,户上想摆脱内战王的称呼,就把成绩和世排提上去呗。
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In the Paris cycle, Togami was said to be the king of internal wars who prepared for the match against Harimoto all year round. This is a joke that is being played by the whole table tennis circle. In the past, some Chinese table tennis influencers have joked about it. Now, it is also funny that the fandom fans are shouting it out. Even Mizutani Jun said when he was commentating on the match between Togami and Harimoto that what other Japanese men that can beat Harimoto on home soil lack is the ability to win abroad.
He was teased because he originally relied on the JTTA internal war selection system to overtake others. In the past, he was not even as good as Uda and Hiroto in the world rankings. Togami was very good at playing against Harimoto when he was outside the top 50 in the world rankings. His win rate against Harimoto was the highest among the top 10 in the world rankings. Now there are some changes in the world rankings. Before, even if he was placed in the top 20, his win rate against Harimoto was the highest.
In the Japanese selection in the Paris cycle, Harimoto played very stably and basically reached the finals every time. If others reached the finals, they would have to play against Harimoto, so being able to play against Harimoto is a big advantage. Togami relied on reaching the finals and winning against Harimoto to secure the titles and widen the score with others. You can go read the comments section from years 2022 and 2023 of the Paris cycle. It's full of memes from table tennis fans. No matter which association you are in, if you are average in foreign wars but good at beating your teammates, you will be called the king of civil war, right? Xu Yingbin of the CNT and Lee Eunhye of the KNT have also been called the king of civil war. Big Lebrun had always won the French Championships before, and he had won ten consecutive victories against Little Lebrun. He was also ridiculed as a brother-sweeping machine. Once Big Lebrun won the European Championships, there have been fewer people saying that he is a brother-sweeping machine. If Togami wants to get rid of the title of the king of civil war, he should improve his results and world ranking.
Anti-argument: Figure 3 is made by Strawberry Milk Is Particularly Sweet [TL's note: Weibo user said to work for WTT]. The other pictures are made by me. The previous pictures on Xiaohongshu/RedNote have been deleted. I hope that the copyright guards will go to other posts to urge and defend intellectual property rights in the future.[/B]
 
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Retiring?
Unlikely for the time being from her interviews (like I said 2025 was going to be inconsequential here and here), but an inevitable topic at the end of the LA cycle not just for her, but Ito and Hayata as well.
 
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Table 1 is in a proper venue, but looks like there aren't that many seats in the tent for viewers. I would feel ripped off to pay for such seats.

The word on the street is that they originally had a venue (nice one) that was separate from Orleans for tables 2, 3 and 4, but it fell through last second and they had to pivot into the temporary tent.

Obviously not an ideal situation, but I would not be so quick to judge wtt/organizers because we don't know what happened with the original deal and how much of it was their fault vs the venue overbooking or taking a more lucrative event, etc. They DID plan on something more professional with better conditions than what we are seeing now so can't knock them there.
So I called earlier today and talked to the box office at the Orleans arena. I mentioned about the tent situation (I was deciding to attend the main event or go to the tent), the lady from the box office happened to say that tables 2, 3 and 4 were supposed to be at MGM. However, something happened last minute and that fell through.

I later decided to attend the evening session in the tent. The tent is not that hot. It is much much more intimate than the Maverick arena so I actually liked it better. But I could imagine how if the A/C is turned off (due to ball bouncing weird), the place could turn very hot very quickly.

I enjoyed being very close to the players and I even got three autographs! I just shamelessly followed the young super Chinese fans to get my autographs. That made me feel old :)

FYI. While tables 2, 3 and 4 were playing, behind the big curtain, I believed was the training hall. For quite a while, everyone could hear Harimoto (you know which one, not Miwa) screaming on the other side of the curtain with every single shot he was practicing with. Some audience looked at each other in amusement because only one person in the world would yell that loud in preparation for his match against Quadri Aruna :)

I have not been this close to top top players since I watched Wang Nan, Wang Liqin and Liu Guoliang came to Vancouver in 2001 or 2002 for an exhibition match.
 
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Bummed out that Quadri lost a good match. He was there, but Harimoto went into the Avatar state and became more precise with the placements and switches and raised the spin level. Good stuff.
Harimoto's FH has increased in power by at least 25% over the last few months!
 
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Harimoto's FH has increased in power by at least 25% over the last few months!
After hearing him live in the practice hall, I think he has been yelling at least 25% or more than before. That's where his FH power comes from :)
 
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