United States Smash 2025, Las Vegas, 7/3-13

[driversbeat]

IF she can beat Ito, she might win the whole thing. A chopper's ultimate dream to win a smash event.

Waiting on the other side is SYB or ZYL, so whoever makes it through will likely be the first JNT woman to reach a smash final (doubt any JNT woman has ever reached semis so history is already made).

Winning the whole thing will be easier without SYS/WMY but I doubt CXT/KM/Hayata will just roll over.

 

[zeio]

imagine the day zeio enters the JTTA board meeting and reads out tieba users comments and links what "he said", or "he quote" on Mytt/TTD.

zeio actually is a hard worker, he will print out everything and have circles/highlights in different colors too.

but i'm worried for zeio, because the same tieba users will label zeio a traitor for joining enemy camp.
so better just let zeio stay a commentator at ttd forum.

Look. Write a post pinpointing exactly how a player lost a match with the said player telling the media the exact same thing the next day, like I did for Togami at WTTC 2025. Until then, you're a mere ball feeder to me. 唔係你吹撚到自己幾咁把炮都冇撚用，我睬尻你都有味啦。

 

[zeio]

Waiting on the other side is SYB or ZYL, so whoever makes it through will be the first JNT woman to reach a smash final (doubt any JNT woman has ever reached semis so history is already made).

Winning the whole thing will be easier without SYS/WMY but I doubt CXT/KM/Hayata will just roll over.

With SYS and WMY out now, even winning the whole thing seems moot. US Smash 2025 = 雞肋

 

[turbozed]

With SYS and WMY out now, even winning the whole thing seems moot. US Smash 2025 = 雞肋

This is some peak zeio logic here. Using an anime quote about strong competitors not participating when they literally did participate but got eliminated 😂

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Until then, you're a mere ball feeder to me.

yeah, i'm a ball feeder
that was a decade ago
you know, we all tend to move on to more important roles
staying the same - while aging.... and day dreaming you are a boss.... not healthy!!

right now, i'm an agent for players from 4 countries - the strongest 4 table tennis countries in Asia to be exact.
and i'm busy arranging 2 top 100 players spairing partners/coaches, and not to mention many academies too.

you?
you a fortune teller? haha, ok

 

[driversbeat]

With SYS and WMY out now, even winning the whole thing seems moot. US Smash 2025 = 雞肋

there's definitely more glory in beating SYS/WMY, but that's out of the players control. The opportunity is there for those who can rise up to the occasion. I don't really see how this is different from Hirano winning the CNT-less World Cup.

In any case Hashimoto needs it more than any of the remaining players if she wants to be a serious Olympic contender.

 

[zeio]

there's definitely more glory in beating SYS/WMY, but that's out of the players control. The opportunity is there for those who can rise up to the occasion. I don't really see how this is different from Hirano winning the CNT-less World Cup.

In any case Hashimoto needs it more than any of the remaining players if she wants to be a serious Olympic contender.

I've heard this before from those who argue that ML is the GOAT. Yet, as ML has finally put it to rest, he can't accept that title.

Hirano's achievements have to be viewed collectively because they were all done in close succession at such a young age, which no one has replicated to this day. FTW at World Cup 2016, DN/ZYL/CM at ATTC 2017 and FTW again at WTTC 2017.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...s-incheon-03-27-03-31-korea.33316/post-450541

ATTC 2017 was big. It was held in Wuxi, China. ZYL was the defending champion. CM has never won the ATTC to this day. Hirano dropped only 2 games throughout (9 games in a row, 2 games dropped, and then another 9 games in a row). ATTC 2017 added weight to her World Cup 2016 title.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...-be-revamped-for-paris-2024.24977/post-478856

FWIW, FTW, a former CNT player, was the greatest threat to CNT (namely LSW) before Hirano and Hirano beat FTW twice in those 2 tournaments (4-2 at World Cup 2016 and 4-0 WTTC 2017).

 

[NextLevel]

Because JPN is serious about beating CHN, but bureaucracy is seriously in the way of reaching that goal.

What does @pongfugrasshopper have to do with the JPN? Remind me of the details I missed....

 

[zeio]

What does @pongfugrasshopper have to do with the JPN? Remind me of the details I missed....

What does he have to do with promoting T.League worldwide streaming on Youtube?

 

[zeio]

This is some peak zeio logic here. Using an anime quote about strong competitors not participating when they literally did participate but got eliminated 😂

In case you aren't familiar, the characters that didn't participate were the two main characters of the series, like ML and FZD. So it fits the table tennis scene to a t after Paris 2024. Like how Harimoto didn't think he deserved his WR3 "inherited" after FZD and ML withdrew from the world ranking.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

What does @pongfugrasshopper have to do with the JPN? Remind me of the details I missed....

That's a tough question, let me ask an easier one.

When you see "tieba users" on TTD, who do you think of?

 

[zeio]

Even DHK, Ng Wing Lam, Lam Yee Lok, SXN, and Ito/Ito's mom can't stand the rip-off price of Las Vegas.

Hospitality does not include dinner? A minimum of over 100 bucks for some Japanese fast food? 成舊水有多重要唔知食出啲嘜。 25 bucks for a bottle of water and the hotel still charges you even if you replace them out of your own pocket?

https://weibo.com/2011739333/PAzZaEPxB
新浪乒乓球
6小时前 来自 微博网页版
#美国大满贯不包晚餐##选手为了赚餐费各种上技能#

吃饭有点贵~~@杜凱琹 透露#WTT美国大满贯2025# 不管晚饭，“所以每天得自己找吃的。点那么抠抠搜搜，但是真就是下不去手啊。啥也别说了，多赢两轮，把伙食费赚回来。”

不仅是杜凯琹，其他球员也都在想招儿~

单晓娜：酒店矿泉水25美元一瓶，买好还回去，水还了，钱还是要交。

伊藤美诚的妈妈，则直接给女儿做了料理。

https://weibo.com/2011739333/PAAbmtIEZ
新浪乒乓球
5小时前 来自 微博视频号
#选手每天训练完第一任务是多拿水#

场馆打着打着漏水？球台训练比赛不一致？晚饭也不给管管？

WTT美国大满贯在拉斯维加斯进行，由于赛事不提供晚餐，而且赌城的物价非常高，所以选手们也是能省就省，能利用就利用。比如从比赛场馆练完多拿些水回去，或者点菜省着点，因为真的太贵了！！！！

温网斯瓦泰克成了“毛巾大盗”是因为要把毛巾带回去给朋友或者亲友，这美国大满贯的选手们，真的是自己要用啊。[允悲]

#美国大满贯物价贵到选手受不了##WTT美国大满贯2025# 草莓牛奶特别甜的微博视频

 

[Nakira]

@zeio : everybody leaves Las Vegas with an empty wallet. It's the game.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

@zeio : everybody leaves Las Vegas with an empty wallet. It's the game.

he probably haven't heard of vegas before

but I also saw some posts of good winnings
not sure why these users only share the ugly, never the good

 

[zeio]

@zeio : everybody leaves Las Vegas with an empty wallet. It's the game.

It's pretty ridiculous compared to those on the East Coast and Macau. Macau actually provides free drinks and quality refreshments.

 

[driversbeat]

Even DHK, Ng Wing Lam, Lam Yee Lok, SXN, and Ito/Ito's mom can't stand the rip-off price of Las Vegas.

Hospitality does not include dinner? A minimum of over 100 bucks for some Japanese fast food? 成舊水有多重要唔知食出啲嘜。 25 bucks for a bottle of water and the hotel still charges you even if you replace them out of your own pocket?

https://weibo.com/2011739333/PAzZaEPxB
新浪乒乓球
6小时前 来自 微博网页版
#美国大满贯不包晚餐##选手为了赚餐费各种上技能#

吃饭有点贵~~@杜凱琹 透露#WTT美国大满贯2025# 不管晚饭，“所以每天得自己找吃的。点那么抠抠搜搜，但是真就是下不去手啊。啥也别说了，多赢两轮，把伙食费赚回来。”

不仅是杜凯琹，其他球员也都在想招儿~

单晓娜：酒店矿泉水25美元一瓶，买好还回去，水还了，钱还是要交。

伊藤美诚的妈妈，则直接给女儿做了料理。

https://weibo.com/2011739333/PAAbmtIEZ
新浪乒乓球
5小时前 来自 微博视频号
#选手每天训练完第一任务是多拿水#

场馆打着打着漏水？球台训练比赛不一致？晚饭也不给管管？

WTT美国大满贯在拉斯维加斯进行，由于赛事不提供晚餐，而且赌城的物价非常高，所以选手们也是能省就省，能利用就利用。比如从比赛场馆练完多拿些水回去，或者点菜省着点，因为真的太贵了！！！！

温网斯瓦泰克成了“毛巾大盗”是因为要把毛巾带回去给朋友或者亲友，这美国大满贯的选手们，真的是自己要用啊。[允悲]

#美国大满贯物价贵到选手受不了##WTT美国大满贯2025# 草莓牛奶特别甜的微博视频

thanks America for making the entire world more expensive

 

[zeio]

thanks America for making the entire world more expensive

The bizarre thing is that even Americans have started turning to China for a dignified life. Isn't that funny?

This Is Where China Beats The US | HasanAbi Archive
https://youtu.be/zIDMedk0LVw?t=76
https://youtu.be/zIDMedk0LVw?t=963

 

[piligrim]

Sora played incredible except last set

 

[dingyibvs]

What you conjecture about how the quiet eye works seems like a reasonable interpretation. But sounding feasible and being borne out by research aren't the same thing. There are studies where specifically longer gaze time at the ball is related to performance. This is from tennis but here's one study:

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At least in one sport, staring at the ball longer improves performance until it bounces on your side of the court. This is tennis where there is less spin and the ball isn't hidden. If we were human computers that just needed snapshots of contact point to make quality receives, then quiet eye in this situation is somewhat irrelevant. But the results demonstrate that's not the case. That's kinda the whole point of quiet eye. It defies "common sense" assumptions about the specific sport. Stuff like "well I already know what the ball is going to do I've been a pro for 10 years" is proving to be no substitute for actually focusing on the ball.

If I would have to design a study to apply this to table tennis, I'd test how receiveing performance changes when the ball is always visible prior to contact point, versus very obscured (maybe over 50% of the way down) and only slightly obscured. Your conjecture is that all three would be the same and there is zero effect as long as contact point is visible. My guess is that the longer the ball is hidden, the more break there is in whatever benefits the quiet eye phenomenon is conferring, and more disruption to judgment.

Now is it significant impairment or minor impairment? I don't know. Even if it was only minor impairment, the fact would remain that players have been systematically breaking the rules by hiding the ball more to gain an advantage. If the rules say that only contact point should be visible then we can say that aspect of the game is part of table tennis. But the rules say ball must be visible at all times. So ball hiding is currently not a "skill" of table tennis and the rules already imply that there is an disadvantage to the server for partial hiding. So the burden is on those who believe it doesn't matter to prove that it doesn't cause any impairment.

Tennis service receive is so much more about dealing with the speed of the ball than TT service receives, I think that study would translate to baseball better than to table tennis. A specific study would certainly help a lot in clarifying our conjectures. My conjecture of course is that it would have minimal effect. It would be helpful if we can have a similar study with obscuring the racket until contact, for which my conjecture is that it would have a much greater effect.

Someone tech savvy can actually design this study with minimal cost. You just need videos of some services and put a box to obscure the path of the ball or the racket until contact, then a simple program asking the user to press an arrow key for top/back/left/right spins as quickly as possible and compare the times. To further differentiate the two forms of obscuring, we can have a separate set of videos where the user can press up/down for short/long services to see if the two different tricks affect spin reading and speed reading differently.

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Hashimoto has such a wonderful and entertaining game. It is a shame that she only gets to play WTT events and only a couple of times each year. Event the famous Tieba members gave a lot of compliments on her.

We will be seeing a lot more of her. Since she is within the top 6 of all Japanese women, at a minimum we will see her in all the Grand Smashes. She's listed to play at Contender Lagos and Star Contender Foz do Iguaçu. There's still a chance for her to play the 2025 Asian Teams Championships in October where the team is composed of 5 players..