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We even don't know what Tieba users think about this tournament
and how wonderful is that
i certainly hope tieba users know what TTD users think about this tournament
 
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Japan's Honoka Hashimoto is currently the best threat Japan has against China. She has decent chance beating all Chinese women except the top two. It'll be crazy if Japanese coaches don't put her in the team in these team events.

For fans, we just enjoy watching her dance left and right, in and out, chop and hit, like a female cloud walker.
even for the top 2, she's getting closer and closer every time
 
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Interesting threads over at Tieba.

上次张本横滨夺冠,这次小莫瑞典夺冠,感觉都有遗憾 (Last time Harimoto winning in Yokohama, and this time Little Mo winning in Sweden, it feels regrettable)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9981868054
闲云野鹤zjz 张本横滨夺冠,.决赛战胜王楚欣,的确够硬气,但中途医疗暂停事件闹心,让夺冠失去了一些光彩。这次小莫夺冠,王楚欣没参加比赛,也让冠军成色不足
IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端1楼2025-08-25 08:52回复
(Harimoto's title in Yokohama, defeating WCQ in the final, was indeed gutsy, but the MTO incident in the middle of the match leaves a bad taste, making the title lose some of its luster. Little Mo's title this time, WCQ did not participate, which also made the title less worthy)


外协F4全员达成1000+高级别赛冠军 (All members of the Oversea Associations F4 have achieved 1000+ high-level titles)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9983359568
蝴蝶🦋🦋... 外协F4全员达成1000+高级别赛冠军
2025欧洲大满贯瑞典站 莫雷加德
2024蒙彼利埃冠军赛 菲利克斯勒布伦
2023法兰克福冠军赛 林昀儒
2022布达佩斯冠军赛 张本智和
2025横滨冠军赛 张本智和
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端1楼2025-08-25 19:32回复
(All members of the Oversea Associations F4 have achieved 1000+ high-level titles
2025 Europe Smash Sweden: Moregard
2024 Montpellier Champions: Felix LeB
2023 Frankfurt Champions: Lin Yun-Ju
2022 Budapest Champions: Harimoto Tomokazu
2025 Yokohama Champions: Harimoto Tomokazu)

BAEKHYUN33 小布小莫布达佩斯张本,这三个冠军比较水
IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端2楼2025-08-25 19:35回复
(Little B, Little Mo, Budapest Harimoto, these three champions are relatively weak)

[Same OP as the one above]
樊振东有多强,外协F4三大赛单打都被他拦住 (How strong was Fan Zhendong? Oversea Associations F4 were all blocked by him in the three major singles events)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9983364891


观最近两站wtt有感,樊振东的含金量还在上升 (After watching the last two WTT events, I feel that Fan Zhendong's gold content is still rising)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9982966369
π… 横滨盒可以说是复刻巴黎爆种盒
瑞满莫也可以说是复刻巴黎爆种莫
但是这俩都被樊振东硬生生按下去了,虽然奥运决赛4-1小莫,但是每局之间的比分都咬的很死,从这次瑞满也可以看出小莫的心态也是真稳,关键时刻果断侧身,真就除了樊振东,其他谁来都不行
IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端1楼2025-08-25 16:41回复
(Yokohama Carton can be said to be a replica of the Paris Explosive Carton
Sweden Smash Mo can also be said to be a replica of the Paris Explosive Mo
However, both were firmly suppressed by Fan Zhendong. Although he defeated Mo 4-1 in the Olympic final, the scores in each game were very close. Sweden Smash also showed that Mo's mentality was very stable. He decisively stepped-around at the critical moment. Apart from Fan Zhendong, the others are no good)

momo85127 巴奥东状态并不是很好,还是死亡半区,现役唯一超一流的含金量
IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端3楼2025-08-25 17:26收起回复
(Paris Olympics Dong's condition was not very good, and he was in the half bracket of death. The gold content of the only super-first-class player in active service)
π…: 是这样的,对比一下kk这次瑞满,同样都是顶着队友全游走的压力守全区,不过kk才20,这是真的未来可期
2025-8-25 17:32回复
(That's right, compared to KK's Sweden Smash this time, both of them defended the entire bracket under the pressure of all their teammates roaming [early exits], but KK is only 20, this is really promising in the future)


为什么对林诗栋那么宽容。平常也没见大家对王楚钦那么宽容 (Why are people so tolerant towards Lin Shidong? I don't usually see people being so tolerant towards Wang Chuqin)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9981866669
四年复 最近一直输输了多少次了。别说什么年纪小 20岁了还年纪小? 各个体育项目17 18岁拿大赛冠军的多了去了,这叫未来可期。27 28退役的有的是,25开始走下坡路的也不少。 平时喂给他的资源也不少,多早之前就开始培养他了?
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端1楼2025-08-25 08:51回复
(Has been losing so many times lately. Don't even mention being young. Is 20 still young? There are countless 17- and 18-year-olds winning major titles in various sports. That's what a promising future means. There are plenty of players who retire at 27 or 28, and many who start to decline at 25. He's been given plenty of resources. How long ago did they start nurturing him?)

四年复 太双标了吧
IP属地:山东来自Android客户端2楼2025-08-25 08:55收起回复
(Double standard much?)
雪月寒枫: 年龄差距这么大也能说双标?2728退役25走下坡路那头头怎么还不退啊?
2025-8-25 10:21回复
(Is it double standard when there's such a huge age gap? Retiring at 27 or 28 and on the decline at 25? So why hasn't HeadHead [25+2 years old] retired yet?)
setanddown: 回复 雪月寒枫 :他去年就想退了,但是如果他也退了,只靠lsd xp吗
2025-8-25 10:34回复
(He already wanted to quit last year, but if he quit, only LSD and XP to rely on?)
贴吧用户_5KM1Z2Q: 回复 setanddown :去年想退?可能吗?那时候一个拿得出手的冠军都没有,这种话听听就算了
2025-8-25 10:52回复
(Wanted to quit last year? Was it possible? Back then, he didn't even have a worthy singles title to show for himself. Don't take that seriously)

【外协F4】渐渐拉开差距了 ([Oversea Associations F4] the gap is gradually widening)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9981366929
大狗罗曼 今年小勒真的很拉 被韩国人拿下两次 小莫虽然被骰逮了两次但好歹四强了 现在多一个大满贯 外协f4排名要改了
IP属地:陕西来自Android客户端4楼2025-08-25 01:58收起回复
(This year, Little Le was really bad. He was defeated by Koreans twice. Little Mo was caught by Dice twice, but at least he made it to the semifinal. Now there is an additional Grand Smash. The ranking for the Oversea Associations F4 will have to be changed)
盖刚超翔龙: 小莫的成绩一直能稳压小勒吧?
2025-8-25 02:10回复
(Little Mo's results have always been better than Little Le's, right?)
大狗罗曼: 回复 盖刚超翔龙 :但我觉得吧里一直都很看得上小勒张本雨果 不咋看得上小莫 我寻思着小莫打的也不差吧 咋吧里都把他当野怪
2025-8-25 02:14回复
(But I think folks in Tieba have always looked up to Little Le, Harimoto and Hugo, but not Little Mo. I think Little Mo is not playing bad, so why do folks in Tieba treat him as a wild monster?)
贴吧用户_0C6eAA7: 小勒技改低谷期不是很正常,巴奥家门口能拿牌已经跟厉害了,现在才18岁,再过5年23岁没出成绩再来嘴吧。
2025-8-25 02:23回复
(It is not normal for Little Le, who is in a slump during his technical transformation. It is already amazing that he can get a medal in front of his home at Paris Olympics. He is only 18 years old now. If he doesn't achieve any results in another 5 years when he is 23 years old, we can revisit again)
八夕八: 回复 大狗罗曼 :大概是因为小莫以前厚度不行,今天夺冠前外协F4发展最均衡的是小布,小莫大赛强厚度弱,摩托厚度强大赛高度弱,小布大赛有牌的同时洲际赛和wtt都有冠军发展均衡,从今天开始小莫厚度也有了目前完全压制小布
2025-8-25 02:23回复
(Maybe it's because Little Mo's thickness was not good before. Before winning the title today, the most balanced F4 player was Little B. Little Mo was strong in the majors but weak in thickness. Moto was strong in thickness but weak in height for majors. Little B, in addition to a major medal, he also has titles in continental tournaments and WTT, a balanced development. From today on, Little Mo's thickness has also improved and he is currently completely suppressing Little B)

caoyaoren1234 不至于不至于,小莫手感好时,偶尔高光一下,
反手还是致命弱点
IP属地:北京7楼2025-08-25 02:01收起回复
(Not really, not really, when Little Mo has good touch, he comes into the limelight for a bit,
BH is still a fatal weakness
)
小小鲁班11: 今天反手好很多了,至少比奥运的时候还要好很多了,不完全是短板了
2025-8-25 02:08回复
(His backhand was much better today, at least much better than during the Olympics, so it's not really a weakness anymore)
只有音乐最安全/: 回复 小小鲁班11 :看状态的,他今晚发挥好而已,状态差的时候你看他反手能上几个。他那反手就是不稳定,心态一波动就容易失误。
2025-8-25 02:39回复
(It depends on his form. He just played well tonight. When he's not in good form, see how many BHs he can land. His BH is inconsistent and he's prone to mistakes when his mentality fluctuates.)

夜粼粼 小莫跟雨果独坐一桌好吧,张本处于半上桌状态,其他两个快查无此人了
IP属地:甘肃来自Android客户端8楼2025-08-25 02:01收起回复
(Little Mo and Hugo sitting alone at a table, Harimoto is halfway to the table, and the other two are almost nowhere to be found)
陨落星辰9459: 雨果我觉得高光估计快过去了,看他打球是最难受的
2025-8-25 02:06回复
(I think Hugo's glory days are almost over. It's the most painful to watch him play)
三环飞向四环: 回复 陨落星辰9459 :哪里过去了,刚两站挑战赛冠军
2025-8-25 02:25回复
(Almost over? He just won two CT titles)
陨落星辰9459: 回复 三环飞向四环 :就这站比赛来看,反正打的过于丑陋,被零封那场打得甚至有点像业余的
2025-8-25 02:27回复
(Judging from this tournament, his play was too ugly. The one where he was shut out looked a bit like an amateur)
YUAN☆: 他是什么世界冠军?还和雨果坐一桌
2025-8-25 02:56回复
(What kind of world title does he [Moregard] have? To sit at the same table with Hugo)
酱油帝2孑: 回复 陨落星辰9459 :果子哥的问题是没高级教练和陪练,技战术拉胯,打球全看状态
2025-8-25 02:57回复
(The problem with Brother Fruit is that he has no senior coaches or sparring partners, his skills and tactics are lame, and his game depends entirely on his condition)
的当: 回复 陨落星辰9459 :他吃状态 说不定状态好又杀回来了
2025-8-25 03:11回复
(He relies on his condition. Maybe he can come back again when he is in good condition)
贴吧用户_GXUPCCb: 回复 陨落星辰9459 :状态总有回落期 五站比赛进决赛拿了四个冠军已经很夸张了 不可能一直这么爆的
2025-8-25 03:12回复
(There are always downturns. Winning four titles in five finals is already an exaggeration. It's impossible to keep going this hot)
改不了昵称ing: 小布也应该单独一桌,小布05后,出来打比赛才三年多,刚成年没多久,跟其他三个本来就不是同周期的,大布才是00后的,跟小布同年代的打出来的只有kk,小布第一次未成年17岁参加奥运会就拿到两面奖牌,第一次未成年16岁就拿到欧运会金牌,成为史上最年轻单打奥运奖牌和欧运会最年轻金牌和奖牌,拿到的wtt几个冠军也是最年轻冠军,以后别再拿不同周期的小布出来踩一捧一,望周知
2025-8-25 09:56回复
(Little B should also be at a separate table. Little B was born in 2005 and has only been playing in competitions for a little more than three years. He just became an adult not long ago. He is not in the same cycle as the other three. Big B was born in 2000. The only player who has reached the top in the same generation as Little B is KK. Little B won two medals in his first Olympics when he was 17 years old, and won the gold medal in European Games when he was 16 years old, becoming the youngest-ever in history to win an Olympic singles medal and the youngest-ever to win a gold medal and a medal in the European Games. He is also the youngest winner for several WTT titles. In the future, please don't use Little B from a different cycle to bash one and praise another. Please be informed.)
 
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Truls' forehand hook is a work of art.

Anyway, watch some of his older matches. The improvement to his footwork can only be a testament to an insane work ethic.

The boy is a treasure.
And to his backhand as well. How many times does the master of backhand countertopspin struggle to counter spinny backhands?
 
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WTT Series (GS, CF, CS, SCT and CT) and Feeder Series (FEE) are separate. The top-ranked players should play WTT Series only.

WTTC and World Cup were supposed to be killed off, with the WTTTC left behind (potentially). China said no without actually saying it and reinstated World Cup and created XTWC (spiritual successor of TWC). Without those, the current WTT Series calendar wouldn't be that much different from a typical ITTF calendar.

Sharara pointed to the various leagues in Europe as a challenge for ITTF in 5/2011, which I touched on in 1/2018. WTT met a lot of resistance from Germany and Japan because it interfered with their own interests.

Interview with ITTF President Adham Sharara
https://youtu.be/KJ9THViJOSk?t=548
Schlager had a knee op and was out for a while
and then he came back, recovered and aimed for world champs.
his build up to world champs was training 1 to 1.5 hours a day.


the right balance is, players earn money from clubs, and provide loyalty and national pride to national team.
because national team has no salary, it is a "volunteer work"
internationals for most of the players are self funding.

In fact, I think TT should remove national teams all together and make it individual players taking part.
keep the national teams for "team" events.

TT is a club sport and if you remove the club/league, the players will all work full time, and play tt part time.

these organization are too power hungry for national team and to control national federations.
and same thing for national federations, are too power hungry to control the players.
yet majority of the federations provide little to no support in making the players pro and these international federation provides even less to the Pro players.

If you want to be the boss, then have employment contract and pay fair salaries.
Or do like Fifa, where its club/league model and the national team is pride and loyalty model.
 
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That many dazzling high lobs in the end, even in losing, worth of pure gold, if you are pure TT fans.
All the greats, current or past, could anyone in their early young age, master these great lobs in a non-exhibit play?
Truls happens to be a master lob smasher. If the opponents are not Truls, say WCQ, LSD has a decent chance winning these lobs. He won the last point in China Smash against the goat with lobs.
Also, the net saving dribbler LSD executed, only peak FZD did the same.
All in all, LSD is a worthy number 1, a genius table tennis player.
Remember No.1 does not equal unbeatable.
Besides of age, lots of things going LSD's way, one of them is natural for him, which is mental toughness and calmness. He is also teachable and adaptive. The come back win against Simon perfectly demonstrated these traits.
He will only get better.
His weakness is fixable. If I were his coach, I would only urge and direct him to play with some recklessness(more serve return flip, more third ball attack, etc) like young FZD and ZJK did.

And you'll probably still have tons of people saying that Chinese players are "robots", and players with "feeling" and "talent" will stay reserved for Europeans
 
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Schlager had a knee op and was out for a while
and then he came back, recovered and aimed for world champs.
his build up to world champs was training 1 to 1.5 hours a day.


the right balance is, players earn money from clubs, and provide loyalty and national pride to national team.
because national team has no salary, it is a "volunteer work"
internationals for most of the players are self funding.

In fact, I think TT should remove national teams all together and make it individual players taking part.
keep the national teams for "team" events.

TT is a club sport and if you remove the club/league, the players will all work full time, and play tt part time.

these organization are too power hungry for national team and to control national federations.
and same thing for national federations, are too power hungry to control the players.
yet majority of the federations provide little to no support in making the players pro and these international federation provides even less to the Pro players.

If you want to be the boss, then have employment contract and pay fair salaries.
Or do like Fifa, where its club/league model and the national team is pride and loyalty model.
Enough with your "cold-war mentality". That's getting old.

WTT is merely copying ATP/WTA and BWF. Those two sports have done it this way far earlier than ours. As long as Europe (mostly Germany) and Japan don't get their acts together, table tennis will never be commercialized. Pickleball is gaining fast.

Is Pickleball an Olympic Sport?
https://www.ppatour.com/ppa-blog/is-pickleball-an-olympic-sport/
Why isn't pickleball in the Olympics? Where the IOC stands
https://www.espn.com/olympics/story...l-ioc-racquet-sports-paris-los-angeles-future
Pickleball boom renews Olympic push
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1153817/pickleball-meteoric-rise-asia-olympics
 
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Enough with your "cold-war mentality". That's getting old.

WTT is merely copying ATP/WTA and BWF. Those two sports have done it this way far earlier than ours. As long as Europe (mostly Germany) and Japan don't get their acts together, table tennis will never be commercialized. Pickleball is gaining fast.

Is Pickleball an Olympic Sport?
https://www.ppatour.com/ppa-blog/is-pickleball-an-olympic-sport/
Why isn't pickleball in the Olympics? Where the IOC stands
https://www.espn.com/olympics/story...l-ioc-racquet-sports-paris-los-angeles-future
Pickleball boom renews Olympic push
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1153817/pickleball-meteoric-rise-asia-olympics
what cold-war?
You need to get out of your desk and visit Europe and travel the world more.

You mustn't just think like a chinese, because chinese tt is majority backed by the gov and state own companies - which is not sustainable.
Just like Luneng, when the ban of state owned company sponsorship money to sports clubs occurred, Luneng ran out of cash and the players salary dropped. It was one of the most wealthy table tennis club in China, but policies changed and bang.

Until you get out of your comfort zone and actually travel the world and meet people face to face (not just google or ai searches), then maybe you will be in the modern era and can see how some parts work and some part doesn't.

I can't believe you becoming a fangirl of ITTF, since ITTF/WTT is trying to make everyone stop professional table tennis, for table tennis with no income.

I think you are confused on how to define how the sport is categorized.
is it an individual sport, a national team sport, or league/club sport - of which Japan and Germany is very successful, especially in Japan, you get university leagues and corporate leagues.

its silly comparing pickleball to table tennis, because each have they own merit.
you might as well compare table tennis to darts if you want to go with different fruits comparison matrix.
 
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That's an interesting interpretation. I don't see it at all. I hope you are right and I am wrong.
I agree that Hashimoto didn't have a chance against SYS in Yokohama, but it was a close match against WMY in Malmo imo. If WMY has a bad day and Hashimoto is in top form, Hashimoto can win against her.
 

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You mustn't just think like a chinese, because chinese tt is majority backed by the gov and state own companies - which is not sustainable.
Whereas the western European model is super-sustainable. Didn't the German chancellor cry about the German economy's structural issues just the other day?

Not the fan of the turn this discussion has taken.
 
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瑞满男单决赛最后一个球给老🐟急得 (The last point of the Sweden Smash men's singles final made Old 🐟 very anxious)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9983811101
贴吧用户_JRUXe78 恨不得自己上去打 (She wish she could go up and play)
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贴吧用户_JRUXe78 老🐟这屁股完全坐不住 (Old 🐟's butt can't remain seated at all)
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瑞满男单决赛最后一个球给老🐟急得 (The last point of the Sweden Smash men's singles final made Old 🐟 very anxious)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9983811101
贴吧用户_JRUXe78 恨不得自己上去打 (She wish she could go up and play)
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Who’s that Japanese coach sitting next to Chen Yi & Wang Manyu?
 
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Whereas the western European model is super-sustainable. Didn't the German chancellor cry about the German economy's structural issues just the other day?

Not the fan of the turn this discussion has taken.
economic is tough all round - no country isn't crying.
but China's whole system is using state funding from development to pro.
only the top end where private endorsements are of private companies too.

I'm not keen to go into economics, but do you want pro tt players to only play national team and no more clubs?
which sport has shown success in this model?
 
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