Butterfly Zyre 03

[Lando]

A friend that tried (pro) it told me that it Zyre03 is a "demanding" rubber and requires a good motion, from legs to waist and arm, otherwise a lot of balls will end up to the net or out of the table, so although is closer to D05 as a rubber, on the play has more similarities to D09c than to D05. If this is the case then a "sticky Z03" will be even more demanding rubber. We will see.

As I thought, it's too much rubber for my level

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

do not underestimate the power of unkerz and unteez. They can buy two sheets of Zyre every month. They are the true customer of Butterfly.

Meanwhile little boys and girls continue to use Xiom Vega. Pappy & Mammy happy...

while you might be joking,
the fact is that table tennis in many countries are mostly in the kids section, and the maybe adults older than 40 years old.
there isn't that many 20s playing, as most people would be going into new careers/work and would not have time and maybe disposable income until later in life (40 years old+)

the same applies for table tennis rubbers, I find that EJ are mostly old folks or people with good disposable income.
but in tier 1 TT countries like Taiwan, the market side of kids table tennis equipment is huge.
Nittaku and Donic probably own the market with its Fastarc and Acuda series in terms of volume used.

Cathay Life table tennis team are the main team that sends me rubbers to donate and I can clearly tell whose rubber those 150 sheets belong too.
The Butterfly will be senior TPE national players, the Nittaku will be the junior national players etc.

The Nittaku users are all decent levels and just because they in Taiwan (like those Chinese, Korean or Japanese in their own countries), they are not the best so can't be sponsored. But they are higher level than some Butterfly sponsored kids in other countries that I hosted.

So these Xiom Vega or equivalent - is actually good enough for the masses.

In my opinion, we rather have plenty of fresh sheet, than 1 or 2 of expensive sheet that one can't afford to replace.

 

[Arkady]

Check POFEPA's FB page (a Greek TT veterans page), there are 2-3 ads for Zyre03! And this is because in Greece "veterans" have the money to buy it.

Having the money to buy it and actually buying it, are two separate things. For example, would you pay 10€ for a bottle of water, just because you can?

I can afford to buy Zyre, that's not the issue. But I'll never do it.

Firstly, I play recreationally and for my level there are countless ESN rubbers at half the price of Zyre (and even cheaper), that are more than fine. Practice makes the player, not rubbers.
Secondly, I refuse to make Butterfly richer, just because via marketing has everybody convinced that a piece of rubber is worth 90€.

 

[tzifos]

Having the money to buy it and actually buying it, are two separate things. For example, would you pay 10€ for a bottle of water, just because you can?

I can afford to buy Zyre, that's not the issue. But I'll never do it.

Firstly, I play recreationally and for my level there are countless ESN rubbers at half the price of Zyre (and even cheaper), that are more than fine. Practice makes the player, not rubbers.
Secondly, I refuse to make Butterfly richer, just because via marketing has everybody convinced that a piece of rubber is worth 90€.

I have the exact the same opinion. But i might get a 2nd hand Zyre03 (from this pro) to try it.... just to feed my curiosity. But EVEN if it is the best rubber in the world (for my hand) I doubt if I ever going to buy one.

 

[Arkady]

I have the exact the same opinion. But i might get a 2nd hand Zyre03 (from this pro) to try it.... just to feed my curiosity. But EVEN if it is the best rubber in the world (for my hand) I doubt if I ever going to buy one.

Well, as a principle I never use 2nd hand rubbers even if I get them for free, so I don't think I'll ever try the Zyre...

 

[tzifos]

Well 2nd hand from a pro is not the same thing as 2nd hand from other recreational players. They use to change the rubbers every 3-4 days, 7-10 days at most and I know this guy returned to the previous rubber he used so it might be played just a few hours. Anyway I will get the feeling of this rubber on my paddle. Just curiosity .... (that killed the cat)

 

[Arkady]

Well 2nd hand from a pro is not the same thing as 2nd hand from other recreational players. They use to change the rubbers every 3-4 days, 7-10 days at most and I know this guy returned to the previous rubber he used so it might be played just a few hours. Anyway I will get the feeling of this rubber on my paddle. Just curiosity .... (that killed the cat)

I don't doubt that there are cases that 2nd hand rubbers might be in excellent condition.
It's more of a psychological thing for me: I just don't like putting pre-cut rubbers. I enjoy opening a brand-new rubber and cutting it myself.

 

[Tyce]

I have the exact the same opinion. But i might get a 2nd hand Zyre03 (from this pro) to try it.... just to feed my curiosity. But EVEN if it is the best rubber in the world (for my hand) I doubt if I ever going to buy one.

Even better, ask for a hit with his bat

- you can try the rubber
- you can hit with a pro
- you don't have to worry about reglueing being an issue
- you don't have to buy it

You could still offer to pay for his time and effort

 

[tzifos]

I cannot, he is using a very fast blade, I am using a defensive blade. Will not be the same; even the FH rubber I am using now for more than a year is very different in a OFF blade, I have tried it.

 

[Charlesmorris]

Pre order in uk https://www.teessport.com/rubbers-c6/butterfly-zyre-03-table-tennis-rubber-p10367

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Pre order in uk https://www.teessport.com/rubbers-c6/butterfly-zyre-03-table-tennis-rubber-p10367

retail for 105 pounds, haha

I am really amazed how Butterfly can set the new pricing benchmark every time a new rubber is released.
luckily they don't release that much (ranges) often

 

[tzifos]

retail for 105 pounds, haha

I am really amazed how Butterfly can set the new pricing benchmark every time a new rubber is released.
luckily they don't release that much (ranges) often

That is something, for example T05 and T05Hard have the same price. On the other hand ESN-powered companies don't do always the same, for example MXP vs MXPHard, Nuzn rubbers etc

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

That is something, for example T05 and T05Hard have the same price. On the other hand ESN-powered companies don't do always the same, for example MXP vs MXPHard, Nuzn rubbers etc

T05 and 05Hard is the same range, just different edition/sponge if we can call it that.
I was referring more about Sriver, Bryce, Tenergy, Dignic and now Zyre.

I wonder what will be the price range after Zyre....

ESN rubbers/product mix needs a reading glass to study.
there are just way too many models/ranges/editions/variations.

 

[backspacer]

retail for 105 pounds, haha

I am really amazed how Butterfly can set the new pricing benchmark every time a new rubber is released.
luckily they don't release that much (ranges) often

I have been into gaming basically my whole life. We got accustomed to publishers raising full price to 80€ from 70/60€ this generation and Nintendo suddenly charges 90€ for the new Mario Kart because they know almost everyone will get it for their new shiny Switch 2.

 

[tzifos]

I have been into gaming basically my whole life. We got accustomed to publishers raising full price to 80€ from 70/60€ this generation and Nintendo suddenly charges 90€ for the new Mario Kart because they know almost everyone will get it for their new shiny Switch 2.

I am afraid that it's not the same; after a year or two the same game is going to cost 30, 50 or even 70% lower than the initial price as the company have already got the money it spent to develop and promote it (and in most cases a lot more).

But in TT we have the same rubbers that are in production 10-15 years or more and their price is still the same like in Tenergy rubbers. Although companies and especially R&D dpts already have earned the money spend for their molds, R&D and testing. This goes especially for BTY rubbers as other brands (like ESN made rubbers) keep the prices too in their starting price but you may find some few discounts in various shops up to 30%. Our EJing might be one reason for this to happen.

 

[backspacer]

I am afraid that it's not the same; after a year or two the same game is going to cost 30, 50 or even 70% lower than the initial price as the company have already got the money it spent to develop and promote it (and in most cases a lot more).

But in TT we have the same rubbers that are in production 10-15 years or more and their price is still the same like in Tenergy rubbers. Although companies and especially R&D dpts already have earned the money spend for their molds, R&D and testing. This goes especially for BTY rubbers as other brands (like ESN made rubbers) keep the prices too in their starting price but you may find some few discounts in various shops up to 30%. Our EJing might be one reason for this to happen.

It's about launch price going up. Butterfly went for 80€ first. Other manufacturers slowly followed and now Butterfly is pushing it even further and only Butterfly doesn't discount their premium rubbers.

 

[Tyce]

T05 and 05Hard is the same range, just different edition/sponge if we can call it that.
I was referring more about Sriver, Bryce, Tenergy, Dignic and now Zyre.

I wonder what will be the price range after Zyre....

ESN rubbers/product mix needs a reading glass to study.
there are just way too many models/ranges/editions/variations.

For ESN it's probably best to just pick the brand that has the least confusing lineup and stick with that brand. I've not stuck to one, but definitely just let a few brands slide completely because they are so confusing:
Victas with their intricate yet nondescript numbering scheme
Donic blue dabadee dabadaa (but their 1/2/3 scheme is pretty good and simple)
Yasaka calling everything Rakza or <something> dragon
I don't even know what Joola does nowadays in terms of rubbers

Xiom... Kind of make sense to the point of their Vega and Omega lines, but then referring to Jekyll and Hyde is such a weird thing to do when naming a rubber. Why couldn't those have been like Alpha hybrid or something?

You'd say that when you get everything made by the same factory as everyone you're competing with, it is very evident you need good PR work to make your product stand out.

 

[tzifos]

I think Nittaku is the exception in the above "rule" that all other companies follow. Prices for the rubbers is also quite good. And beside this, it targets not only "Pros" but new players too! For example it announced 2 new rubbers in the sub-15USD category for new players that are starting TT. It is very hard to find a non-chinese brand to do so. Steluck (you need a lot of this as also love for TT) 1.5 & 1.9mm and Lebest 1.3, 1.5 and 1.9mm

 

[po-stit]

Was reviewing the Zyre website and im a little confused about the pimple geometry? Shouldn't Tenergy 19 have the pimples allocated as densely as the rule allows? So how similar are the pimple geometry (apart from height) between Tenergy 19 and Zyre03? Do we know actual measurements?

 

[po-stit]

Answering my own question. Apparently density is treated as a surface area and not "number" of pimples per surface. Despite T19 having 1.5mm width pimples, Zyre03 could have wider pimples with different spacings and still have a max density of pimples allowed by the rules.

For instance T19 have 1.5mm diameter pimples and the spacing between them is about 0.46mm to achieve the max density claimed by Buttefly.

Would like to know the diameter of the pimples in Zyre03.

Pimple width is 1.3mm. Missed it on the page with all the moving pictures while scrolling. So in conclusion to give the max density the spacing between pimples should be about 0.66mm.

I was asking this and trying to understand so i cant try to understand the feeling this rubber will give. Despite the hardness of the sponge it might give a softer feel to it considering the pimple geometry. Althought im forgetting a serious factor that is pimple height and its "exclusive" to this rubber. We will wait and see.