Viewership numbers

[NextLevel]

You are their agent no? Its another opportunity for you....

To piggyback on this, i believe Adam Bobrow's video editing operation is based out of Chinese Taipei (can't remember why I think this, probably something or someone he introduced in a video, but something made me do it). So obviously the players can be helped with the right support.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Who even watches pickleball on TV? Tennis, sure... but pickleball?

Not too sure who
But on instagram there are few folds more watching ppa asia over wtt, and those numbers means something

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

i told my wife about this thread and she said she would divorce me if i would start to play pickleball. it's called paddle here, and apparently many of the worst male tinder profiles have "red wine & paddle" listed as their hobbies. instant red flag i've heard.

Lol

On that note paddle and pickleball is apparently different

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

It's a good idea but, as you observe, very few players are willing or able to do this well. To hire someone who can do it for them costs more money than players are making, but it would be a reasonable investment for the WTT or the more well-financed leagues. Identify potential stars and get professional marketers to hype them up. With that table tennis movie, Marty Supreme, coming out this Christmas, now is a good time to do it.

Yep.

A parent did chat to me about it and analyze how some does it and how some does not go that route. We also discussed how some got stuck or got in trouble.

Imo you need professional staff to handle this part, as it does take a lot of time.

 

[piligrim]

i told my wife about this thread and she said she would divorce me if i would start to play pickleball. it's called paddle here, and apparently many of the worst male tinder profiles have "red wine & paddle" listed as their hobbies. instant red flag i've heard.

Every wife should do this

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Every wife should do this

Until the wifes reads the “how many racket you got” thread.

Back to serious note.
Pickleball is a family sport it seems. Many partners/spouses seen to go play together

 

[NextLevel]

Every wife should do this

Nah, most of them prefer pickleball to table tennis.

 

[Kopp]

Not too sure who
But on instagram there are few folds more watching ppa asia over wtt, and those numbers means something

I just Googled the PPA Asia you mentioned on YT, this is literally tennis on the lowest difficulty setting 😂 Plastic racket, plastic ball, zero spin all day. What kind of sport is this?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I just Googled the PPA Asia you mentioned on YT, this is literally tennis on the lowest difficulty setting 😂 Plastic racket, plastic ball, zero spin all day. What kind of sport is this?

I'm not too focused on the "sport", but this thread is on the viewership numbers.
what ever bad you can talk about ppa asia, the truth is, it is kicking wtt arse inside out.
So the worse ppa asia can be, it is making wtt even sadder, correct?

 

[Novarac23]

I don’t know much about pickleball besides the fact that ball is very plasticy and seems like there is no spin 🤷‍♂️as someone who is originally from Europe and spends a decent amount of time there, the infrastructure is just set up better. No surprise to anyone of course but with the right infrastructure you get folks through the door and people like playing and watching their club. On my recent trip to Portugal, when I went to a club it felt like a club. Meaning they ahve junior team, b team and a team. They have programs and actual club training sessions with folks who are serious. Folks in town know about the club and are excited to support it.

Where im from in the US (might be different in Cali and NY and other states) clubs are very Different. Ocassional 1:1 coaching and rest you are on your own. A lot of times when I go folks just want to play games for fun (no harm in that to be clear but its a mindset thing imo). If there was infrastructure there would be more folk.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I don’t know much about pickleball besides the fact that ball is very plasticy and seems like there is no spin 🤷‍♂️as someone who is originally from Europe and spends a decent amount of time there, the infrastructure is just set up better. No surprise to anyone of course but with the right infrastructure you get folks through the door and people like playing and watching their club. On my recent trip to Portugal, when I went to a club it felt like a club. Meaning they ahve junior team, b team and a team. They have programs and actual club training sessions with folks who are serious. Folks in town know about the club and are excited to support it.

(assuming you are talking about a pickleball club) If you have gone to Portugal and went to a table tennis club, they are also run like clubs with many teams.

Here was a conversation I had with a Pro A French team (if you are talking about a tt club, then the below numbers can be for US members):

Tony:
Hi xxx
I follow the club on social media, just out of curiosity - how many players does the club have - that train at xxx? including juniors.

Answer:
420 players last season
16 teams for men
4 teams for women
7 teams for junior
3 teams for senior (40 years and older)

I didn't get the full numbers of the Portuguese TT club I am sending 3 players to, but I won't be surprised if they don't have similar numbers, or maybe even more (since they are a club with over 25 tables)

Where im from in the US (might be different in Cali and NY and other states) clubs are very Different. Ocassional 1:1 coaching and rest you are on your own. A lot of times when I go folks just want to play games for fun (no harm in that to be clear but its a mindset thing imo). If there was infrastructure there would be more folk.

This is a problem with US table tennis structure.
the cost is probably too high, so the only way to survive is 1on1.
and US only has tournament models, same as Taiwan - so 1on1 will give results.

I would believe for MLTT to succeed, they need to have MLTT in schools, have the teams more involved in the communities and to invest in viewerships.

US is really an underdeveloped market for table tennis. While there are many progress, the sucess is only based on 1on1 model.
Taiwan while it is heavy on 1on1 model, its school sport model is the foundation, which most of the schools having table tennis, and there are many table tennis "focused" schools in every city (meaning, training full time, full time coach etc).

Taiwan's pickleball is only starting, I think venue is probably a bigger issue, as we don't have that many tennis courts.
I see some used badminton courts (lower the badminton nets to picketball net height)

 

[zeio]

To piggyback on this, i believe Adam Bobrow's video editing operation is based out of Chinese Taipei (can't remember why I think this, probably something or someone he introduced in a video, but something made me do it). So obviously the players can be helped with the right support.

Bobrow has been a resident there since mid-2020.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=2833643400078852

 

[zeio]

Who even watches pickleball on TV? Tennis, sure... but pickleball?

Stiga and Joola wouldn't have started selling pickleball and padel equipment otherwise...

I never expected to see Joola being featured on a local TV program 3 months ago but for a different sport...
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https://youtu.be/Pq0KsjzKHXo?t=40

Lily Zhang playing pickleball, WTF?
JOOLA HK & Macau
https://www.joola-hk.com/zh

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

To piggyback on this, i believe Adam Bobrow's video editing operation is based out of Chinese Taipei (can't remember why I think this, probably something or someone he introduced in a video, but something made me do it). So obviously the players can be helped with the right support.

why don't you just say Taiwan?
Chinese Taipei is the sporting name for the team from Taiwan due to political reasons.
Other names included Formosa; Taiwan; China and even Japan.
Taiwan is the geo location name. Chinese Taipei is not. But to be technical, he lives in Taipei city.

and the flag is the one next to that of Japan (India doesn't care about politics)

and it was probably me, I did say on TTD that his team is made out of a couple of Taiwanese.
He goes out and record and gives his team to make the videos.
PS. Adam stays near me.

and maybe WTT should hire some Taiwanese video editors too? lol

 

[JackJohnson]

why don't you just say Taiwan?
Chinese Taipei is the sporting name for the team from Taiwan due to political reasons.
Other names included Formosa; Taiwan; China and even Japan.
Taiwan is the geo location name. Chinese Taipei is not. But to be technical, he lives in Taipei city.

and the flag is the one next to that of Japan (India doesn't care about politics)

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and it was probably me, I did say on TTD that his team is made out of a couple of Taiwanese.
He goes out and record and gives his team to make the videos.
PS. Adam stays near me.

and maybe WTT should hire some Taiwanese video editors too? lol

Probably doesn’t want Zeio to come after him.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Probably doesn’t want Zeio to come after him.

Haha

 

[zeio]

Probably doesn’t want Zeio to come after him.

The fact that ball feeder is on NextLevel's heels already proves otherwise.

NextLevel is actually adhering to the Shanghai Communiqué, unlike the recent US administrations (bipartisanship on the China issue) that employ "strategic ambiguity".

And in case it's not obvious, ball feeder has become a separatist in recent years.

Flags banned, signs ripped up: Why you can’t mention Taiwan at the Olympics
Geopolitics is at the heart of the dispute. Taiwan competes as “Chinese Taipei,” in an attempt to participate in the Olympics without angering mainland China.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/flags-banned-taiwan-olympics-chinese-taipei-rcna165502

2023/12/13
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...ld-cup-2023-chengdu-12-4-10.31810/post-435357

PR, PR, PR. Let's talk PR here. Where is the respect when you keep referring to the team as Taiwan instead of Chinese Taipei when 54.8% (5.77 mi out of 11.4 mi) of the people in Taiwan who voted in the 2018 referendum prefer to compete under the name Chinese Taipei? Only 4 of 22 administrative regions barely got more than 50% of Yes. The green camp tried again in 2022 and needless to say it didn't get anywhere. And unlike what you hinted at, it was the ROC that insisted on competing under Chinese Taipei at first, which was a compromise as the PRC actually wanted Taipei, China instead (like Hong Kong, China and Macau, China) but out of respect still observes the term Chinese Taipei for the most part. In addition, it was the IOC (poor indigenous people of Taiwan didn't have a say) that forced the team to compete under Taiwan at first after the ROC lost the seat at the UN but the players actually protested (see the picture) and even refused to compete in subsequent editions.

2024/2/28
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...pionships-finals-busan-2024.32987/post-445681

Ahem, it's the Republic of China (ROC), ruled by Kuomintang (KMT) at the time, that actually refused to be designated as Taiwan when the IOC forced them to compete under the name Taiwan. There was a referendum in 2018, with the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in charge, and the majority of people still voted to compete under the name Chinese Taipei. So the few and far between countries, namely Japan and South Korea, that opt to refer to the region as Taiwan are doing the majority of the people of the island a disservice.

SCOTT RITTER: "America is here only to use you (Philippines) until there’s nothing left."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFz1MDYcIZg

 

[Novarac23]

(assuming you are talking about a pickleball club) If you have gone to Portugal and went to a table tennis club, they are also run like clubs with many teams.

Here was a conversation I had with a Pro A French team (if you are talking about a tt club, then the below numbers can be for US members):

Tony:
Hi xxx
I follow the club on social media, just out of curiosity - how many players does the club have - that train at xxx? including juniors.

Answer:
420 players last season
16 teams for men
4 teams for women
7 teams for junior
3 teams for senior (40 years and older)

I didn't get the full numbers of the Portuguese TT club I am sending 3 players to, but I won't be surprised if they don't have similar numbers, or maybe even more (since they are a club with over 25 tables)


This is a problem with US table tennis structure.
the cost is probably too high, so the only way to survive is 1on1.
and US only has tournament models, same as Taiwan - so 1on1 will give results.

I would believe for MLTT to succeed, they need to have MLTT in schools, have the teams more involved in the communities and to invest in viewerships.

US is really an underdeveloped market for table tennis. While there are many progress, the sucess is only based on 1on1 model.
Taiwan while it is heavy on 1on1 model, its school sport model is the foundation, which most of the schools having table tennis, and there are many table tennis "focused" schools in every city (meaning, training full time, full time coach etc).

Taiwan's pickleball is only starting, I think venue is probably a bigger issue, as we don't have that many tennis courts.
I see some used badminton courts (lower the badminton nets to picketball net height)

I was just talking about TT. When I was talking to to the coach the way I understood it is that there was a few junior teams, not sure how many b teams and one senior team. Of course you are more experienced in this then I am so would trust your judgment what I do know though, the structure he explained is the same structure that a pro basketball club has in Europe and that’s something I’m fairly familiar with (plaayed from the age of 5-21, made it to the “a” team kind of and played in the b teams) and that structure does seem to work. I also played very briefly in the table tennis club (same name as my basketball club) as a kid and they had a similar structure (very you kids, juniors, b teams, a team) so it tracks.

Regardless I do think this structure, for sports in general, works well. That’s what I was trying to say 😂

i agree US is underdeveloped and need to figure out something on top of 1on1 model. Be it schools, more formal clubs, both or something completely different.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I was just talking about TT. When I was talking to to the coach the way I understood it is that there was a few junior teams, not sure how many b teams and one senior team. Of course you are more experienced in this then I am so would trust your judgment what I do know though, the structure he explained is the same structure that a pro basketball club has in Europe and that’s something I’m fairly familiar with (plaayed from the age of 5-21, made it to the “a” team kind of and played in the b teams) and that structure does seem to work. I also played very briefly in the table tennis club (same name as my basketball club) as a kid and they had a similar structure (very you kids, juniors, b teams, a team) so it tracks.

Regardless I do think this structure, for sports in general, works well. That’s what I was trying to say 😂

i agree US is underdeveloped and need to figure out something on top of 1on1 model. Be it schools, more formal clubs, both or something completely different.

yeah,
the European sports club model is really good and has a long history.
some clubs, it is now 2nd or 3rd generation being part of the same club, and I think that is really special.

US clubs, I don't think have this.
it only has the professional clubs, and maybe like a development team like in the NBA, but that is it.
there is no junior league

 

[Novarac23]

yeah,
the European sports club model is really good and has a long history.
some clubs, it is now 2nd or 3rd generation being part of the same club, and I think that is really special.

US clubs, I don't think have this.
it only has the professional clubs, and maybe like a development team like in the NBA, but that is it.
there is no junior league

Yeah I agree. I find that clubs in the us are more just table tennis stores that sell a service like “a day pass to play table tennis” or “1 on 1 coaching” more then a club. Sorry not trying to “throw shade” as kids say these days but its just what I observed. And again I understand why they do that, there’s no infrastructure, so everyone is on their own, so to even pay rent you gotta go hard on 1 on 1 coaching.