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Interesting that KM is playing instead of WYD or even CXT.
That might have something to do LA Olympic. Lefty and younger QM has better chance acquiring third card than CXT and WYD. But QM needs to prove her worthiness in the big stage. So, this is the test ground for her. Glad she passed it even though a little shaky.
 
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i watched Men's Japan v China and I'm happy i didn't watch Women's match...
With SYS and WMY, both are absolute the best in women's game, in the lineup, not much Japanese women could do. This situation can last for next few years.
Last time, Japan women beat China was mainly self inflected wound by the Chinese coaches as Ma Lin, for untold reason, kept WMY off the lineup.

What happened this time? Ma Lin not even on the site.
 
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With SYS and WMY, both are absolute the best in women's game, in the lineup, not much Japanese women could do. This situation can last for next few years.
Last time, Japan women beat China was mainly self inflected wound by the Chinese coaches as Ma Lin, for untold reason, kept WMY off the lineup.

What happened this time? Ma Lin not even on the site.
It was an issue that caused WMY to be unable to travel. Was not fully disclosed but since she was the prepared player, amd was replaced late by Chen Xingtong, I doubt it was Ma Lin's choice.
 
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With SYS and WMY, both are absolute the best in women's game, in the lineup, not much Japanese women could do. This situation can last for next few years.
Last time, Japan women beat China was mainly self inflected wound by the Chinese coaches as Ma Lin, for untold reason, kept WMY off the lineup.

What happened this time? Ma Lin not even on the site.
WMY's late withdrawal had nothing to do with MLin last year.
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...onships-2024-astana-10-7-13.34886/post-484545

MLin is said to have taken an operation on his foot arm recently and to avoid complications...

网传马琳上厕所把胳膊摔骨折了
https://c.m.163.com/news/v/VO37A4S3V.html
马琳最新现状曝光,出席国乒活动,手臂伤势严重,还能担任教练吗
https://www.163.com/dy/article/K4RH6SM4055682OL.html
 
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No Hirano, Hayata and Ito for LA28 will be the right thing to have for JNT.
Curious to know who you think should go since without any of them we're left with Miwa, Hashimoto, Odo, Nagasaki and Kihara.

Personally I'd go with Miwa Hashimoto and Ito. Also hoping for Hirano to have yet another resurgence. She showed promise against SYS at the China Smash.
 
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Curious to know who you think should go since without any of them we're left with Miwa, Hashimoto, Odo, Nagasaki and Kihara.

Personally I'd go with Miwa Hashimoto and Ito. Also hoping for Hirano to have yet another resurgence. She showed promise against SYS at the China Smash.
If the XTWC format is used for LA28, XT will only need 1 singles player for each gender. And assuming 3 players per NOC is still the limit, Ito will become the 3rd wheel with Harimoto, Hashimoto and Odo for XT. Harimoto and Hashimoto or Odo for WS, Harimoto/Odo or even Hashimoto for WD and Harimoto/Matsushima for XD are currently the best combinations given the outlook.

Ito and Hayata are now the "cancer cells" in the team that not just care about themselves only but are eating away at team morale by suppressing their teammates while they can't do jack against the CNT, something that CNT is eager to see continuing. Harimoto/Hirano simply doesn't work (they didn't even work on WD) and the lineup is built around the XT rather than WS.

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From the standpoint of results against CNT, Harimoto/Kihara (Asian Games 2022) and Kihara/Nagasaki (WTGF 2019) have both defeated SYS/WMY in WD. The problem is Harimoto/Kihara then lost to SYB/JJH in the SF. SYB and Ryu Hanna will likely be the WD pair plus another in XT for LA28. Odo/Yokoi lost to that pair at WTTC 2025. A favorite pair for the podium without a doubt, and sticking out like a sore thumb for JNT.

Given all that, Harimoto/Kihara/Nagasaki could also theoretically get the job done, where a podium finish is a little less certain but can make CNT sweat bullets.
 
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Curious to know who you think should go since without any of them we're left with Miwa, Hashimoto, Odo, Nagasaki and Kihara.

Personally I'd go with Miwa Hashimoto and Ito. Also hoping for Hirano to have yet another resurgence. She showed promise against SYS at the China Smash.
Hina/Miwa/Odo/Ito/Hashimoto for the WTTC next year as an experiment.

The latter three should be tasked with winning the third match against China. They each have personal stylistic wrinkles that can give Man/Dadi/Tongtong a lot of troubles. Miu's bang bang style is easy food, sorry to say, they just keep the ball on the table against her. Kuai still looks a bit wet behind the ears to me or it could just be the nerves + the naivety.

There's no point playing Honoka against Shasha or Manyu. Best she can do is 2-3. Three things have to occur concurrently for her to win; Injured Manyu with poor form, the match happening in a Japanese stadium with no Chinese fans, and most importantly Hell freezing over.

Japan should also muse over the possibility of Mima playing 2 singles depending on her form, although Miwa/Hina should take precedence in the plans. She's given Manyu and others some fits in recent matches. Perhaps she may be able to snatch a match. Only Shasha plainly owns her.
 
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Hina/Miwa/Odo/Ito/Hashimoto for the WTTC next year as an experiment.

The latter three should be tasked with winning the third match against China. They each have personal stylistic wrinkles that can give Man/Dadi/Tongtong a lot of troubles. Miu's bang bang style is easy food, sorry to say, they just keep the ball on the table against her. Kuai still looks a bit wet behind the ears to me or it could just be the nerves + the naivety.

There's no point playing Honoka against Shasha or Manyu. Best she can do is 2-3. Three things have to occur concurrently for her to win; Injured Manyu with poor form, the match happening in a Japanese stadium with no Chinese fans, and most importantly Hell freezing over.

Japan should also muse over the possibility of Mima playing 2 singles depending on her form, although Miwa/Hina should take precedence in the plans. She's given Manyu and others some fits in recent matches. Perhaps she may be able to snatch a match. Only Shasha plainly owns her.
Finally a realistic assessment of Honoka pending a miraculous transformation. But I guess the results of the last match helped...
 
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No chance for a team with no unity. Nakazawa and JTTA still have not addressed the outcry from WTT CS Yokohama 2025. The longer the controversy is left to die down itself, the farther the team spirit will drift away.
You mean the outcry from Hayata haters? Her team, including Miwa, was cheering her on throughout the tournament. And at times Miwa was solo getting out of her seat cheering on Hina. But don't let reality get in the way of your false narrative.
 
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You mean the outcry from Hayata haters? Her team, including Miwa, was cheering her on throughout the tournament. And at times Miwa was solo getting out of her seat cheering on Hina. But don't let reality get in the way of your false narrative.
Too young. Tatemae (group cheering) and honne (game intervals). Her brother has already made his stance clear on the MTO incident. Don't be naive.
 
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Too young. Tatemae (group cheering) and honne (game intervals). Her brother has already made his stance clear on the MTO incident. Don't be naive.
Miwa is not her brother, you pointed to an issue causing lingering disharmony that was not evident in anything about the team's behavior during matches. With SYS having post-Olympic doldrums, WMY being absent and Chen Xingtong not being prepared for a surprise call of duty (and we won't get it into the seamless ball) when Japan won last year, there is no need to go to team harmony to explain anything. Thankfully, Hashimoto was fielded as all we would have heard if they tried to shield her was about how she has the best record vs CNT players. Next year if she doesn't play #3 and away from the top 2, I suspect a new narrative will take hold. Much easier to admit that China is just damn hard to beat but that cannot satisfy fans.
 
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On the bright side, India has so much room for improvement... 🤗

没有对比就没有伤害…… (There is no harm without comparison...)
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10140600396

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https://www.instagram.com/ettczadar2025/p/DP_QPsxDMcW/
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Japan's record of questionable lineups/selections is there for all to see. Losing is ok, hurting your chances with a losing lineup or trying the same lineup over and over again expecting things to change is weird. As Zeio mentioned before, we're not the ones who are sad, it's Japan who should be sad for self-sabotaging. Even Chinese commentators couldn't figure out why Ishikawa was chosen over Hayata for 2019 World Team Cup when Japan kept claiming to want gold.

On the other hand, China picked Zhu Yuling over Liu Shiwen for third singles against Singapore in the 2014 WTTC semifinals. Their opponent was Isabelle Li who was ranked in the several hundreds, but they still benched Liu Shiwen in the odd chance that Singapore sent Yu Mengyu (who beat Liu Shiwen before) to third singles. That's how seriously they take all their opponents.

I'm sure Japan takes all their matches seriously, but their lineup against PKR is just another example of how they prioritise the books over practicality.
Almost 6 years after I pointed that out, White Hair Watanabe getting the best team results in 50 years pretty much came down to his decision to bench players that weren't fit to be fielded, namely Hayata in the WT F against China at WTTC 2022, Ito in the WT F against China at WTTC 2024, Harimoto pairing up with Hayata in the WT F (and that made Harimoto cry) against China at Paris 2024; OTOH, his willingness to listen to players, namely Hirano's request to be fielded in 3rd singles at ATTC 2024.

Mizutani and Tanaka pointing to coaching as the difference between China and Japan once again highlights the problem here. Qiu Jianxin helped Uda beat LYJ and Moregard within months whereas Ueda was still reluctant to "fix" Togami after WTTC 2025. 高下立見
 
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The following is why dumbness has no place in competitive table tennis. JNT is wasting time here.

Tan Zhao Yun shines as S’pore women earn bronze at Asian Table Tennis Team C’ships
https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/...-win-bronze-at-asian-table-tennis-team-cships
SINGAPORE – Not only is Tan Zhao Yun a member of the national intermediate table tennis squad, she also runs YouTube channel TRYTT as a hobby – the 2,100-subscriber channel has 85 videos and it is managed by Tan and her twin brother Zhao Ray.

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The second-year Singapore Management University computer science undergraduate told The Straits Times: “I had beaten Manika in another tournament last month, so coach (Jing Jun Hong) hoped I was able to win again.

“I was initially quite stressed and nervous, but I took it as an opportunity to play against different styles as we don’t have anyone in our team who plays with long pimples like her.

“After beating her, we were up 2-0 and then when it was 2-2 and I had to play again, I told myself to just do my best against Diya Chitale. Don’t think too much and play like I would during training.

“In the end, I’m happy to be able to contribute to the team’s victory.”

Indian newspaper The Hindu hailed the defensive specialist’s “remarkable consistency”, noting: “Tan’s defensive mastery proved the ultimate weapon. Her control and variation not only unsettled Manika in the opening match but also dismantled Diya’s rhythm when it mattered the most.”

Under their father’s influence, the Tan siblings started playing table tennis at six. Both started off as attackers before Zhao Yun was persuaded by her coach to switch to a defensive style because her attacks were not powerful enough.

She said: “I was initially quite reluctant as my peers were all attackers, but afterwards I found that it matched my patient personality to be a defensive personality.

“Every athlete wants to compete with the best at the Olympics and that’s my dream too.

“But I haven’t thought about whether I want to play full-time, so for now my goal is to win a SEA Games medal first.”

National women’s coach Jing was encouraged by Tan’s display and how her young team – average age 20 – managed to improve on their performances in 2023 (seventh) and 2024 (eighth) to match their joint-third finish in 2021.

She said: “This is a pleasant surprise. The younger players treasure their spot in the national team and have a strong desire to want to compete and prove themselves.

“During the build-up, they have trained hard while juggling their studies and also had the experience of playing on the World Table Tennis circuit.

“Zhao Yun is one such disciplined player who has a stable game and is capable of handling pressure. She has improved in terms of her technique, footwork, awareness and game IQ, and her playing style is an asset to us.

“Against India, we fielded her because we felt our opponents preferred to play attacking players and she would cause them problems as a chopper. I hope there can be more young players stepping up like her, so that we can have more strength in depth and variation for the national team so that we can have specific weapons to counter specific opponents.”
 
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The following is why dumbness has no place in competitive table tennis. JNT is wasting time here.

Tan Zhao Yun shines as S’pore women earn bronze at Asian Table Tennis Team C’ships
https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/...-win-bronze-at-asian-table-tennis-team-cships
SINGAPORE – Not only is Tan Zhao Yun a member of the national intermediate table tennis squad, she also runs YouTube channel TRYTT as a hobby – the 2,100-subscriber channel has 85 videos and it is managed by Tan and her twin brother Zhao Ray.

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The second-year Singapore Management University computer science undergraduate told The Straits Times: “I had beaten Manika in another tournament last month, so coach (Jing Jun Hong) hoped I was able to win again.

“I was initially quite stressed and nervous, but I took it as an opportunity to play against different styles as we don’t have anyone in our team who plays with long pimples like her.

“After beating her, we were up 2-0 and then when it was 2-2 and I had to play again, I told myself to just do my best against Diya Chitale. Don’t think too much and play like I would during training.

“In the end, I’m happy to be able to contribute to the team’s victory.”

Indian newspaper The Hindu hailed the defensive specialist’s “remarkable consistency”, noting: “Tan’s defensive mastery proved the ultimate weapon. Her control and variation not only unsettled Manika in the opening match but also dismantled Diya’s rhythm when it mattered the most.”

Under their father’s influence, the Tan siblings started playing table tennis at six. Both started off as attackers before Zhao Yun was persuaded by her coach to switch to a defensive style because her attacks were not powerful enough.

She said: “I was initially quite reluctant as my peers were all attackers, but afterwards I found that it matched my patient personality to be a defensive personality.

“Every athlete wants to compete with the best at the Olympics and that’s my dream too.

“But I haven’t thought about whether I want to play full-time, so for now my goal is to win a SEA Games medal first.”

National women’s coach Jing was encouraged by Tan’s display and how her young team – average age 20 – managed to improve on their performances in 2023 (seventh) and 2024 (eighth) to match their joint-third finish in 2021.

She said: “This is a pleasant surprise. The younger players treasure their spot in the national team and have a strong desire to want to compete and prove themselves.

“During the build-up, they have trained hard while juggling their studies and also had the experience of playing on the World Table Tennis circuit.

“Zhao Yun is one such disciplined player who has a stable game and is capable of handling pressure. She has improved in terms of her technique, footwork, awareness and game IQ, and her playing style is an asset to us.

“Against India, we fielded her because we felt our opponents preferred to play attacking players and she would cause them problems as a chopper. I hope there can be more young players stepping up like her, so that we can have more strength in depth and variation for the national team so that we can have specific weapons to counter specific opponents.”
Curious, what do you mean by dumbness since Hayata is supposedly the epitome of it?
 
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Not just Hayata but JNT. Nakazawa in particular, probably out of concern for COI, has thus far been silent in the handling of the MTO incident at WTT CS Yokohama 2025. This ambiguity will only divide the team further when LA28 calls for the highest cooperation/collaboration between the men and women in history.

Jing Junhong gave a rough analysis of the new Olympic events based on current information back in 4/2025 and viewed the LA28 as a window of opportunities for both MT and WT which are stronger together despite the difficulties of having only Zeng Jian as a full-time player when Kishikawa, Nakazawa and JNT players were dwelling on the "death" of MT/WT whereas Hayata/Ito were eager to talk about WD only.

As one Tieba user pointed out back in 7/2025, their club system dictates that they remain 一盘散沙/a platter of loose sand.

2028年洛杉矶奥运乒乓赛制改革 新加坡面临机会与挑战 (Singapore faces both opportunities and challenges as table tennis reforms take shape at the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics)
https://www.zaobao.com/news/sports/story20250418-6208217
国际奥委会执委会日前决定,对2028年洛杉矶奥运会乒乓球项目进行改革,取消传统的男女团体赛,新增混合团体赛。同时,恢复男女双打项目,金牌数目增至六枚。新赛制将为世界乒坛带来怎样改变?新加坡队面临怎样的机遇与挑战?

对此,新加坡女队主教练井浚泓在上海接受《联合早报》专访。在率队结束WTT(世界乒乓球职业大联盟)太原常规挑战赛后,她前往上海做短暂探亲。

井浚泓说:“混合团体赛能体现一个国家和地区乒乓球综合能力,男女队可以借力互补,使整体实力更强。比如我们新加坡队,入围奥运会男女团体赛可能很困难,但要是男女合在一起打混团就多了些机会。当然,还不清楚具体赛制。”

两年前,国际乒联推出混合团体世界杯,并落地成都五年,现在看来就是为2028年奥运会提前布局。新加坡连续参加了两届混团世界杯,对赛制有一定的认识。

井浚泓说:“成都是16支队伍入选,赛制是先打到八局者获胜。奥运会是复制成都赛制?还是会调整?目前还没消息。但这个信号让很多男女不均衡(男强女弱,或男弱女强)的球队提前准备,男女互相带动,增加入围混团的机会。

“假如按照成都的赛制争局数定胜负,若现场再带入奥运会氛围,那么比赛肯定会紧张和刺激,球员的心理压力也很大。若有一场或一局没处理好,会导致整个团体失利。这样,成绩的变数会增大,爆冷系数也会提高。

“混团赛是机遇也是挑战,体能、技术、心理等都要准备充分。同时考验球队整体实力和策略安排,包括主力球员兼项压力和体能分配能力等。”

男女双打项目时隔24年(上一次是2004年雅典奥运会)重回奥运赛场,井浚泓认为这给双打选手提供了多一个竞争参加奥运会的机会。双打偶然性高,可能成为突破传统强队垄断的契机,就像东京奥运会混双日本击败中国夺冠一样。

井浚泓说:“混双是一对球员参赛,若男女双打也是各一对,争金程度会很激烈。我们也要更快适应双打和混团的新要求,看看能不能配合拼出一个女双。”

我国女队目前仅曾尖打全职​


除了机遇与挑战,新加坡女队还面临着很现实的困难,即目前只有曾尖一个人打全职,其他都是学生球员。去年新加坡依靠排名参加了混团世界杯,女队几种积分加在一起比较平均。但今年情况不同,王歆茹退役,周靖祎和舒麟茜读书,黎明映要边读书边争取明年青奥会资格,很难在学业与训练中找到平衡点。

井浚泓说:“整个国际乒乓球系统有很多比赛,为球员创造很多机会,但前提是要去参与竞争,才能有积分有经验。现在,想打球的球员没办法保证基本训练和比赛时间,这肯定会影响成绩。如果能有一些政策和配套措施,让球员更无后顾之忧的去面对各种机遇和挑战,相信她们一定会更加安心专注的训练比赛。”
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) Executive Committee recently decided to reform the table tennis program for the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics, eliminating the traditional men's and women's team competitions and adding a mixed team event. At the same time, the men's and women's doubles events will be reinstated, and the number of gold medals will be increased to six. What changes will the new format bring to the world of table tennis? What opportunities and challenges does the Singaporean team face?

Singapore women's team head coach Jing Junhong gave an exclusive interview to Lianhe Zaobao in Shanghai. After leading the team to the WTT (World Table Tennis Professional League) Taiyuan Regular Challenge, she traveled to Shanghai for a brief family visit.

Jing Junhong said, "The mixed team competition can demonstrate the comprehensive capabilities of a country and region in table tennis. The men's and women's teams can leverage and complement each other, strengthening their overall strength. For example, for our Singapore team, qualifying for the men's and women's Olympic team events might be difficult, but if we could combine men and women in a mixed team, we would have a better chance. Of course, the specific format is still unclear."

Two years ago, the ITTF launched the Mixed Team World Cup, which has been held in Chengdu for five years. It now appears to be a preparatory step for the 2028 Olympics. Singapore has participated in two consecutive Mixed Team World Cups and has a certain understanding of the competition format.

Jing Junhong said, "Chengdu has 16 teams selected, and the format is first to eight games. Will the Olympics replicate the Chengdu format, or will it be adjusted? There's no word yet. But this signal is giving many teams with gender imbalances (strong men, weak women, or weak men, strong women) time to prepare ahead of time, encouraging each other and increasing their chances of qualifying for the mixed team.

"If the Chengdu format, where games won decides the outcome, were followed, and if the atmosphere of the Olympics were brought to the stage, the competition would undoubtedly be tense and exciting, and the players would be under immense psychological pressure. A single mishandled match or game could lead to the entire team's defeat. This would increase the variance in results and the likelihood of an upset.

"The mixed team competition presents both an opportunity and a challenge, requiring thorough preparation in terms of physical fitness, technique, and psychology. It also tests the team's overall strength and strategic planning, including the pressure on key players to manage multiple events and their ability to manage their energy."


Men's and women's doubles have returned to the Olympics after a 24-year absence (last seen at the 2004 Athens Olympics). Jing Junhong believes this provides doubles players with another opportunity to compete in the Olympics. Doubles, with its high level of serendipity, could offer an opportunity to break the monopoly of traditional powerhouses, as seen in Japan's victory over China in the mixed doubles event at the Tokyo Olympics.

Jing Junhong said, "Mixed doubles involves a single pair of players. If the men's and women's doubles were also played in pairs, the competition for gold would be fierce. We also need to adapt more quickly to the new requirements of doubles and mixed team competitions, and see if we can collaborate to create a strong women's doubles team."

Currently, only Zeng Jian plays full-time on the women's team​


Besides the opportunities and challenges, the Singaporean women's team faces a real challenge: Zeng Jian is the only full-time player; the others are students. Last year, Singapore competed in the Mixed Team World Cup based on rankings, and the women's team's points were relatively evenly distributed. This year, however, the situation is different. Wong Xin Ru has retired, Zhou Jingyi and Ser Lin Qian are studying, and Loi Ming Ying is struggling to balance her studies with qualifying for next year's Youth Olympic Games. Balancing her studies and training is difficult.

Jing Junhong said, "The international table tennis system offers numerous competitions, creating numerous opportunities for players. However, participation is the prerequisite for earning points and experience. Currently, players who want to play are unable to guarantee basic training and competition time, which will undoubtedly affect their performance. If there are policies and supporting measures that allow players to face various opportunities and challenges without worries, I believe they will be able to focus more on training and competition."
 
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Zhang Cheng on why Hashimoto played 1st singles in the WT F, that "she was forced" [because CHN was the XYZ team], betting on Hayata if Hashimoto could get 1 point.

https://weibo.com/5286779334/QavW3eh2X
馨阳_
10月23日 23:55 来自 微博视频号
张成谈:亚锦赛女团决赛 日本排兵
桥本是被迫上一单
如果孙颖莎打2号 桥本就不是一单
只是被迫要避开莎莎
如果前两场打成1:1
第三场早田可以死磕一下
早田的纠缠能力还是可以的
#2025乒乓球亚锦赛##不负每一次热爱##一分钟视频创作季# L馨阳_的微博视频

https://weibo.com/3941076850/Q9fSB3SkO
这杯茶有毒_
10月15日 17:13 来自 iPhone 15 Pro Max

桥本一单竟然被我猜中了。。
我的根据是本子会让美和碰莎[流鼻血]

Japan has pretty good luck, winning the toss for both MT and WT. But it was still not enough for MT, what about WT?

WT F
JPN 0-3 CHN
Hashimoto 1-3 WMY (10, -3, -6, -3)
Harimoto 0-3 SYS (-9, -5, -7)
G1 6:6
Indian commentator: "When in doubt, Sun Yingsha relies on her power BH there..."
G3 7:11
Indian commentator: "Sun is shining there, definitely on the table as pleasantly Chinese corner..."
Hayata 1-3 KM (8, -10, -6, -9)
G2 95, 109, 1012
G4 74, 77, 97, 98 Hayata served off the table, 911
Hashimoto vs SYS ()
Harimoto vs WMY ()
 
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