Butterfly Zyre 03

[NextLevel]

Thats the thing, I felt Z03 to only reward active and solid textbook technique. If I hit too soft, if I hit too late, if my stroke isn't properly supported by the rest of my body, and if I don't cleanly swing through the ball, the ball falls off the topsheet or shoots out of the sponge. Z03 demands a minimum of B+ average grade technique, barely passing is unacceptable and produces bad results. Even for lower energy shots, I have to jab into the ball and complete my stroke to get some sponge compression in order to get any sense of control. On the other hand I think it might be unparalleled at getting speed quality on the ball in the open rally, especially at mid distance. But it's definitely not for those of us who want to take their time and 'play lazy,' I feel it almost exclusively rewards cleanly executed active attacking shots with the goal of winning points off of speed and quality. I think its a fun rubber to practice rally with, but since I have lead feet and less than ideal technique, I really can't say that it's a good match for me.

Which is perfect to admit, but how many reviews discuss the rubber in that context other than the Russian one?

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

Which is perfect to admit, but how many reviews discuss the rubber in that context other than the Russian one?

TBH I think its still very early, even though the hype was massive, I know people will cement their opinions more in the coming years. I remember it took a bit of time for folks to truly behold T05, some were saying it felt weird and held the ball too long, where some were talking about how it was the reincarnation of speed glue effect.

 

[NextLevel]

TBH I think its still very early, even though the hype was massive, I know people will cement their opinions more in the coming years. I remember it took a bit of time for folks to truly behold T05, some were saying it felt weird and held the ball too long, where some were talking about how it was the reincarnation of speed glue effect.

Yes, time will tell. Conceding that, part of understanding a rubber is knowing who it fits and who it doesn't and what it does well and what it doesn't (true for all equipment and blades). It would have been interesting to hear Timo review Zyre 03 because his reviews were far less commercial than Dima's lol. He used to give his own opinion probably more than Butterfly liked (his review of Tenergy 19 is still one of my favorite). What is obvious to me is that there is a sharp discontinuity between Zyre and other stuff. But the one thing that I did notice is that I have not been able to get any wear on the rubber so far which is impressive lol even if I only played with it for one day. But I will try a bit more tomorrow.

 

[IB66]

Just posted a review in the review section.

 

[IB66]

Yes, time will tell. Conceding that, part of understanding a rubber is knowing who it fits and who it doesn't and what it does well and what it doesn't (true for all equipment and blades). It would have been interesting to hear Timo review Zyre 03 because his reviews were far less commercial than Dima's lol. He used to give his own opinion probably more than Butterfly liked (his review of Tenergy 19 is still one of my favorite). What is obvious to me is that there is a sharp discontinuity between Zyre and other stuff. But the one thing that I did notice is that I have not been able to get any wear on the rubber so far which is impressive lol even if I only played with it for one day. But I will try a bit more tomorrow.

perhaps try it on an all wood blade after completing trial on the Vis SALC??

 

[NextLevel]

perhaps try it on an all wood blade after completing trial on the Vis SALC??

I moved it to a Hadraw VK which is where it will stay for a while. I also have a Hadraw VR I could put it on but I will move it arond for sure - the topsheet acts like stainless steel, hard to put any marks on it lol...

I already tried it on a Hugo and was pretty unsatisfied. The one good thing about this test is that it has opened my eyes to non-Butterfly rubbers again lol. Nuzn 55 is now more appealing that it used to be. But seriously, if I go back to hard sponge, 09c first lol.

 

[merlin el mago]

Well, the main thing is that I can play with other rubbers. I can't play with Zyre with the same confidencethat i can with any of the Dignics rubbers. I kind of understand why, and I know my technique is not perfect, but I have strong coaches and none of my coaches have ever told me I do not know how to play forehand topspin. Basically, if I cannot play comfortably taking the ball later or softer, I cannot use a rubber. It isn't purely about hardness because like I said. I can use Dignics 09c.

You can't use the same technique for ZYRE-03 and D09C because are very different.

 

[NextLevel]

You can't use the same technique for ZYRE-03 and D09C because are very different.

So Dima and Dan are changing their technique in the video review?

 

[merlin el mago]

Dont start, how he holds the blade, the issue is always the feet and the lower body. The way he holds the blade is a compensation for a different body and leg position.

Well first of all you have to be well positioned to do a correct stroke, after the feet and the lower body and the late contact with 45° the blade with the ball if not do the three correctly forget to do a quality stroke, to test that only you have to see how the balls travel to the other side of the table with speed and when lands you will see the strong topspin could make.

 

[NextLevel]

Well first of all you have to be well positioned to do a correct stroke, after the feet and the lower body and the late contact with 45° the blade with the ball if not do the three correctly forget to do a quality stroke, to test that only you have to see how the balls travel to the other side of the table with speed and when lands you will see the strong topspin could make.

Guys, please lets move on from all the theoretical talk of how to play topspin. If you guys are courageous enough to share your own play so we can all see how experts loop, by all means, please share. If I post a video thread asking for help on how to fix my technique, I will take all your advice. Anyone who seriously coaches players knows yhat the first rule of player development is to know what the player is physically capable of as any technical advice will need modification in light of that fact. Thank you.

 

[merlin el mago]

So Dima and Dan are changing their technique in the video review?

First Dima is pro an top player and I guess Dan not.

Dima said perfectly how the rubber works the pros & the cons.

Pros changing grip and tactics very easy due to have more technique/gears than the people with less technique/gears.

As Dima said you have to choose if it's better or not for you the rubber so it's up to you.

If you ask me my answer is that pro surely get more benefit using this rubber like an semi-pro or an amateur player.

 

[blahness]

From what I can tell from descriptions on here Zyre seems to be more of a BH rubber than a FH rubber....

With FH I dont see it being anywhere close to 09c or boosted Hurricane because of the worse short game control and spin and the bad dwell (opening loops for FH is especially important).

For BH the characteristics could be very interesting, it seems that it can flat hit pretty well but still create massive spin at will - so creating spin variations on the BH would be really good. Also the spin insensitivity will be incredibly good for chiquita play which I rely on a lot. The higher the ratio of spin production / spin sensitivity the better the rubber is for chiquita.

 

[merlin el mago]

The rubber isn't for me because I'm handicaped and 66 years old but training I can know how a rubber works better.

I have the technique to use it but I can't move fast so that's the reason I use long pips for backhand to play close to the table and will not use the rubber for tournaments.

 

[merlin el mago]

From what I can tell from descriptions on here Zyre seems to be more of a BH rubber than a FH rubber....

With FH I dont see it being anywhere close to 09c or boosted Hurricane because of the worse short game control and spin and the bad dwell (opening loops for FH is especially important).

For BH the characteristics could be very interesting, it seems that it can flat hit pretty well but still create massive spin at will - so creating spin variations on the BH would be really good. Also the spin insensitivity will be incredibly good for chiquita play which I rely on a lot. The higher the ratio of spin production / spin sensitivity the better the rubber is for chiquita.

Short game is good, isn't bouncy, only need touch and proper technique.

Boys it all depends yours skills and the way you play, if you like a lot of dwell time forget this rubber, if you aren't young and in good shape forget this rubber.

When this rubber shine is when you do power topspin with consistency (FH or BH) so if you don't know how to do it forget this rubber.

 

[NextLevel]

The rubber isn't for me because I'm handicaped and 66 years old but training I can know how a rubber works better.

I have the technique to use it but I can't move fast so that's the reason I use long pips for backhand to play close to the table and will not use the rubber for tournaments.

Let's just say you and I have different definitions of having the technique to use a rubber. If you cant play tournament matches with a rubber, you dont have the technique to use it.

 

[blahness]

Short game is good, isn't bouncy, only need touch and proper technique.

Boys it all depends yours skills and the way you play, if you like a lot of dwell time forget this rubber, if you aren't young and in good shape forget this rubber.

When this rubber shine is when you do power topspin with consistency (FH or BH) so if you don't know how to do it forget this rubber.

Like what you said it is about technique - I can short push sidetopspin balls with D05 and Viscaria in practice situations, but in match situations it will still be a liability because at least at equal level you wont have a 100% read of the incoming spin. If i had a 100% read then the other players is basically lower level than me and I will always win regardless. Where boosted Hurricane and D09c helps a lot is in these uncertain scenarios where you still need to land the ball on the table with reasonable quality and cause some trouble for the opponent.

But for a BH rubber the Zyre qualities seem to shine more - first of all most ppl serve with FH rubber so the serve and short game ability is not needed, and with BH chiquita is a stronger receive than push, so the ability to make massive spin + general spin insensitivity would make it really shine.

Most points are won within 3 shots so I dont get why people keep on harping on mid distance looping ability. This ability is only used in like 5% of points.

 

[Dr Evil]

I like it on fh. Fast, spinny, long stable trajectory. Great blocking and countering rubber. No short game or serving complaints. I think you need a lot of power in your middle gears to make this work consistently, which I have on fh but not bh (where I get less spin than D05 and especially 09C). It's got a glassy feel which takes some getting used to and which I'm guessing is why some players hate it and think they're not getting much spin. This is deceptive. In fact, as advertised, this is Butterfly's spinniest rubber for players with good technique and power. It's also quite spin-sensitive for a hard sponge non-tacky rubber, so if you're not reasonably precise with your racket angle and swing plane and/or don't swing hard enough to penetrate the sponge and absorb some of the spin, you get a disappointing result. So it's not perfect. Which brings us to the price. This will have to outlast D05 for me to buy another sheet. But if it does, I probably will.

 

[NDH]

This is deceptive. In fact, as advertised, this is Butterfly's spinniest rubber for players with good technique and power.

I can’t believe I’m going to disagree with our lord and saviour…. Butterfly….. but…. IF (and that’s a big IF), Butterfly did indeed test this in scientific like conditions and proved it was their spinniest rubber, it would have been done so in such a way that is incredibly unrealistic for 99.9% of players.

Perhaps if you have the ideal set up and perfect technique for this specific rubber, you could generate more spin than say, D09C and D05.

But my first hand evidence would STRONGLY disagree. Both using it briefly, but especially playing against it.

I found that incoming loops were much less spiny than usual, and I had to lift my counters more - I was putting my counter loops in the net because I was expecting the incoming ball to have more spin!

Lastly, to all those people who comment on other people’s videos, when NO feedback/advice was asked for…..

It’s not against the rules, as these are open threads. You just look ridiculous commenting on others when no one knows who you are or how you play, and you lose all credibility.

My advice would be to either post video of yourself so that your advice can be taken into context, or to refrain from commenting at all.

Posting real world video of yourself playing is INCREDIBLY valuable to the forum - You will undoubtedly be the same level as lots of other people here, and all of a sudden, your experience and feedback is even more useful to some of the people, whilst possibly being less useful to others.

But at the end of the day, whilst the language/cultural differences may be obvious…. Just be kind and considerate. It’s not hard.

 

[IB66]

Tenergy(s), Dignics & Zyre 03 are all capable of producing high spin levels.

From what I’m reading many of you don’t think that Zyre 03 has the same spin capability.

As I’ve said before, perhaps Z03 is a like / hate rubber?

After you glue a rubber - whats the 1st thing you do?
Yeah, you get a ball and bounce it a few times, spin it and let it bounce on the rubber, hit a topspin and see how it reacts on carpet, hit a chop or side back spin serve again onto carpet in the lounge etc and see how the ball reacts.
I’ve done this with a multitude of rubbers over the years. Zyre 03 has high spin capability.

 

[Dr Evil]

I can’t believe I’m going to disagree with our lord and saviour…. Butterfly….. but…. IF (and that’s a big IF), Butterfly did indeed test this in scientific like conditions and proved it was their spinniest rubber, it would have been done so in such a way that is incredibly unrealistic for 99.9% of players

Unlikely to be 99.9% given the many good reviews. But it is surprising how many players hate it. I think some of this has to do with the feel and sound. But clearly some players are having trouble getting much out of it, and it's not just a question of playing level.

Perhaps if you have the ideal set up and perfect technique for this specific rubber, you could generate more spin than say, D09C and D05.

Well, you don't need perfect technique. I'm getting heavier spin on fh according to a practice partner and a pro coach. Less spin on bh, though; depends how you hit the ball.

I found that incoming loops were much less spiny than usual, and I had to lift my counters more - I was putting my counter loops in the net because I was expecting the incoming ball to have more spin!

That's pretty convincing that your partner wasn't getting much spin. I don't think it's as simple as drive loopers get good spin and brush loopers don't (or vice versa), but there might be some subtle interplay between racket speed, momentum, drive/brush ratio, etc., that determines how well this rubber works for you. It definitely works well for some.