Butterfly Zyre 03

[Topspinslinger]

Where is softness?

My point of view is not possible that a blade could be soft & stiff, are opposite terms.

If a blade is thick and has a soft outer ply it is both stiff and soft.
Stiga clipper and Primorac carbon are examples.
You are confusing both flexibilty of a blade and hardness of the outer ply.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

If a blade is thick and has a soft outer ply it is both stiff and soft.
Stiga clipper and Primorac carbon are examples.
You are confusing both flexibilty of a blade and hardness of the outer ply.

Stiff and soft = one ply hinoki. It does not bend or else it will break ( non-pliable instead is brittle ).

 

[chinacurious]

Thanks, that vid explaints the differences between ZLC & ALC but no explain how a blade could be soft & stiff at the same time....

It does. Did you watch it or just read the title? More than half the video is just about softness, stiffness etc. Starts less than 1 min into the video.

 

[latej]

Where is softness?

My point of view is not possible that a blade could be soft & stiff, are opposite terms.

So after you saw this link from NL, where SDC clearly shows the difference between flex/stiffness vs softness/hardness, and he himself says those are 2 completely different concepts, you still think they are opposite? Hmm...

Anyway, stiff blades can be made by e.g being thicker, or having more layers. And flex is opposite of stiff.

And soft blades can be made by having the top layer made from softer woods like limba, hinoki. And soft is opposite of hard.

Is that definitive enough for you? ;-) Cheers.

See here, Vodak 4APC King Stiff + Spin, rel. stiff and soft blade.

EDIT: Another example are e.g. blades from balsa, which are usually thicker, and quite stiff, yet they feel very hollow, you definitely would not say they are hard. But this is perhaps not a very good example... Other example, Viscaria, can still have quite some flex, but feels harder due to Koto outer layer, and ALC directly under, than e.g. Limba/Ayous/ALC inner blades.

 

[NextLevel]

So after you saw this link from NL, where SDC clearly shows the difference between flex/stiffness vs softness/hardness, and he himself says those are 2 completely different concepts, you still think they are opposite? Hmm...

Anyway, stiff blades can be made by e.g being thicker, or having more layers. And flex is opposite of stiff.

And soft blades can be made by having the top layer made from softer woods like limba, hinoki. And soft is opposite of hard.

Is that definitive enough for you? ;-) Cheers.

See here, Vodak 4APC King Stiff + Spin, rel. stiff and soft blade.

EDIT: Another example are e.g. blades from balsa, which are usually thicker, and quite stiff, yet they feel very hollow, you definitely would not say they are hard. But this is perhaps not a very good example... Other example, Viscaria, can still have quite some flex, but feels harder due to Koto outer layer, and ALC directly under, than e.g. Limba/Ayous/ALC inner blades.

I didn’t provide the link but I definitely agree with it. Stiffness is usually about thickness or use of composites to prevent bending but it is definitely relative. Balsa blades are exactly as you described, they are usually thick and soft and hence very stiff because they are thick.

 

[latej]

I didn’t provide the link but I definitely agree with it. Stiffness is usually about thickness or use of composites to prevent bending but it is definitely relative. Balsa blades are exactly as you described, they are usually thick and soft and hence very stiff because they are thick.

Ahh, sorry, @wiktor145 sent it.

 

[andzejgolot]

Someone try to boost IT?

 

[zeio]

Associating hardness to the membrane mode is problematic as that mode shape is simply a higher order of bending mode that is related to the bending stiffness.

In engineering, hardness is the resistance of a material to localized plastic (permanent) deformation, e.g. dent.

When we talk about hardness in table tennis, we're really talking about different "modes" of stiffness.

 

[merlin el mago]

The balsa example is spot on.

 

[merlin el mago]

Someone try to boost IT?

Yes me 2.7 but can't comment the difference because never used other Zyre 03 2.7 unboosted. Next week I will try Zyre 03 2.5 unboosted & let you know my opinion.

 

[andzejgolot]

Yes me 2.7 but can't comment the difference because never used other Zyre 03 2.7 unboosted. Next week I will try Zyre 03 2.5 unboosted & let you know my opinion.

I received 10 hours Red and Black
For 25%
And it is too small
That's why I wanna try boost just to put on the blade
My choice is tibhar Mk all
Or fzd cnf

 

[merlin el mago]

I boosted Zyre-03 2.7 with one layer Falco Tempo Long Booster and was very fast to me liking using blade with fibers, with all wood blades was still fast but more control & playable.

Tomorrow problably can test the Zyre-03 2.5 without booster with the same all wood blade.

 

[BobFL]

Where is softness?

My point of view is not possible that a blade could be soft & stiff, are opposite terms.

It is soft vs hard and
stiff vs flexy

In this particular case with Zyra, I strongly recommend hard(er) blade. Tho whole point is to somehow compress that thick and hard sponge. I tried it on hinoki blade and it was just terrible. Koto outer blades, imho with a few exceptions - Ovtcharov ALC plays like outer or Cybershape (inner construction) plays very hard.

 

[merlin el mago]

I guess using harder blades you will decrease the dwell time, my vote is to use flex blades to increase the dwell time, yesterday used Zyre-03 2.5 version sponge without booster with Stiga Infinity VPS (Lightweight 5-ply offensive blade with special temperature treated middle veneers (VPS) and stiff & flex blade, very very good feeling no need to booster, boosted one layer the Zyre-03 2.7 was very difficult to get consistency using the same blade so for me is enough 2.5 version sponge with an all wood blade because I use long pips for BH so can't use fibers or OFF+ / OFF++ blades.

 

[jackass22]

I guess using harder blades you will decrease the dwell time, my vote is to use flex blades to increase the dwell time, yesterday used Zyre-03 2.5 version sponge without booster with Stiga Infinity VPS (Lightweight 5-ply offensive blade with special temperature treated middle veneers (VPS) and stiff & flex blade, very very good feeling no need to booster, boosted one layer the Zyre-03 2.7 was very difficult to get consistency using the same blade so for me is enough 2.5 version sponge with an all wood blade because I use long pips for BH so can't use fibers or OFF+ / OFF++ blades.

So, is stiff or flex blade suitable for zyre ? You have written that infinity is stiff and flex , can by both ?

 

[merlin el mago]

Stiff is good to block & flex is good to make spin so good for Zyre, my experience is that Zyre-03 don't like hard blades without flex or blades OFF+ OFF++ if you aren't a pro.

Infinity touch is stiff but the blade have flex, inside the types of blades can be more or less stiff or more or less flex. Infinity is stiff but not hard as blades with fibers, have flex but not like for example Donic DefPlay Senso V3 that have a lot of flex. Infinity It's a 5 plies all wood with two plies treated.

 

[jackass22]

TY.
I play with infinity (2 pieces ) . I play with Glayzer 09c.
I am thinking on what blade stick zyre03 - infinity or Mazunov (stiffer and harder play).
The sensation of block with mazunov is so satisfying .

 

[merlin el mago]

Mazunov is a different animal.

 

[NextLevel]

It is soft vs hard and
stiff vs flexy

In this particular case with Zyra, I strongly recommend hard(er) blade. Tho whole point is to somehow compress that thick and hard sponge. I tried it on hinoki blade and it was just terrible. Koto outer blades, imho with a few exceptions - Ovtcharov ALC plays like outer or Cybershape (inner construction) plays very hard.

Not my experience at all, I have it on a Garaydia ALC and it plays fine. People should just do what they can handle.

 

[Scarfed Garchomp]

TY.
I play with infinity (2 pieces ) . I play with Glayzer 09c.
I am thinking on what blade stick zyre03 - infinity or Mazunov (stiffer and harder play).
The sensation of block with mazunov is so satisfying .

G09c to Z03 is gonna be a big change. I'd use it on whichever blade you are more familiar with though, so you can gain reference

Z03 is also no lightweight so it might be more manageable on Infinity with standard headsize, than Mazunov which is slightly oversized