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Hey currently i’m using hurricane 3 commercial OS 39 degrees with 3 layers of FTL, but i’ll start using regular haifu. My forehand motion is pretty big i would say, and start from bottom, so i can lift balls and make high arc shots pretty easy, and i can also do counter loop, and loop kills.
I like the feeling of the big forehand motion, but some people say i should start doing less efort in the strokes and play with hybrid or esn rubbers, my heart says to try the blue provincial sponge, what should i choose?
The blade i’m using is xiom 36.5 ALXi, fastarc G1 BH
 
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If your technique is using Chinese tacky/grippy inverted rubbers you will need time to adjust not using the power from the ground so my advice why to change your way of play if you like. About using H3 Provincial 39º BS absorbs better the booster and supposodely better quality like commercial.

Lately I left DHS H3 Provincial 39º BS because I don't trust the quality control of DHS so why to pay more or less when you receive each time a different rubber....
 
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If your technique is using Chinese tacky/grippy inverted rubbers you will need time to adjust not using the power from the ground so my advice why to change your way of play if you like. About using H3 Provincial 39º BS absorbs better the booster and supposodely better quality like commercial.

Lately I left DHS H3 Provincial 39º BS because I don't trust the quality control of DHS so why to pay more or less when you receive each time a different rubber....
So what do you use now?
 
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I recommend you to try Pinyi Cuifeng blue sponge or Quanshibao F1. No need to boost them and they act like boosted 40 degree H3 blue sponge, maybe a bit faster and a bit less spin but right up there with H3.

The biggest challenge is to get them, because they are only available on taobao, so if you want to get them abroad you need to use some agent. But I still say it's worth it over H3 BS.
Their durability is also very good, much better than German or Japanese sticky rubbers and I would say better than H3 since you don't need to boost these.

Both the Pinyi and Quanshibao rubber have blue sponge so that's at least 2-3 points advantage anyway.🫣
 
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So what do you use now?

I'm using BTY D05 & triying Zyre 03 2.7 and 2.5

If I was you I will use BTY D09C not need to change your technique, always same rubber thanks to excellent quality control of BTY and far better durability than all ESN rubbers.
 
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I recommend you to try Pinyi Cuifeng blue sponge or Quanshibao F1. No need to boost them and they act like boosted 40 degree H3 blue sponge, maybe a bit faster and a bit less spin but right up there with H3.

The biggest challenge is to get them, because they are only available on taobao, so if you want to get them abroad you need to use some agent. But I still say it's worth it over H3 BS.
Their durability is also very good, much better than German or Japanese sticky rubbers and I would say better than H3 since you don't need to boost these.

Both the Pinyi and Quanshibao rubber have blue sponge so that's at least 2-3 points advantage anyway.🫣

Still more complicated to get and are you sure each time do you buy a new one is the same quality because I really doubt.....
 
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Still more complicated to get and are you sure each time do you buy a new one is the same quality because I really doubt.....
Way more complicated to buy, but so far the consistency for me has been stellar. Much better than H3N BS, in fact it's been so stellar that ESN should worry. DHS of course doesn't need to worry, they can sell any BS H3N even if a horse shit it out, but other companies should be scared.
 
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Way more complicated to buy, but so far the consistency for me has been stellar. Much better than H3N BS, in fact it's been so stellar that ESN should worry. DHS of course doesn't need to worry, they can sell any BS H3N even if a horse shit it out, but other companies should be scared.

This sounds tempting although I haven't had any issues with various H3(N)s (commercial, provincial, Nittaku, orange and blue sponge) but some issues with ESN rubbers e.g. V>15 Stiff with a harder sponge than V>15 Extra. Durability of ESN hybrid rubbers is just not comparable to (even boosted) DHS, 729 or (most of) Butterfly rubbers. Commercial or old(er) provincials for training and some fresh(er) provincials for league play and tournaments is more than sufficient for me.

Hey currently i’m using hurricane 3 commercial OS 39 degrees with 3 layers of FTL, but i’ll start using regular haifu. My forehand motion is pretty big i would say, and start from bottom, so i can lift balls and make high arc shots pretty easy, and i can also do counter loop, and loop kills.
I like the feeling of the big forehand motion, but some people say i should start doing less efort in the strokes and play with hybrid or esn rubbers, my heart says to try the blue provincial sponge, what should i choose?
The blade i’m using is xiom 36.5 ALXi, fastarc G1 BH

The blade is fast enough. The rubbers are good enough and not too soft or too hard. Provincial OS/BS or Nittaku H3N OS (NR-8701) for peace of mind. National if you are sponsored and/or playing on that level or just want to spend a lot of money.
BS or OS: personal preference more or less (for the same nominal sponge hardness the BS will feel a bit harder because it is denser according to DHS https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/dhs-fans-unite.28518/post-529310)
Instead of regular Haifu Seamoon I would recommend Seamoon 2 which has imo a better and longer lasting effect and usually is not that much more expensive (and seems to be less damaging to the sponge i.e. no reverse dome and not that strong shrinking that I had with one batch of regular Seamoon). Two thin layers are definitely enough to make gluing with a thinner glue like Revolution 3 a real PITA (try these kind of boosters on an old rubber first before using them on a fresh sheet).

Now to the bigger issue/stroke: I've learned it that way back in the 80s and know that this can be an issue (stopped playing for way too long and than came back when TT seemed to have become a spinless sport ;)).
These big strokes still work and can be played in many situations but it is always better to have more options.
So instead of trying different rubbers I would focus on training (technique, explosiveness, footwork): start with simple multiball drills like loop against backspin or topspin from a single point but with high frequency (no time for big strokes), then multiple points and random drills (and go crazy like Zhang Jike ;)
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If you are used to move your right/left foot back (as a right/left-hander) when looping especially close(r) to the table as I was (still doing it for big strokes) practice to stand square/parallel to the table
 
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This sounds tempting although I haven't had any issues with various H3(N)s (commercial, provincial, Nittaku, orange and blue sponge) but some issues with ESN rubbers e.g. V>15 Stiff with a harder sponge than V>15 Extra. Durability of ESN hybrid rubbers is just not comparable to (even boosted) DHS, 729 or (most of) Butterfly rubbers. Commercial or old(er) provincials for training and some fresh(er) provincials for league play and tournaments is more than sufficient for me.
I mean the stickiness variance between H3. I'm not that fussy about it but many are. The Pinyi Cuifeng and Quanshibao F1 has been identical for me among the same types. Also weight is so far consistent for me.

They are really worth a try and I wish they would be available on aliexpress or temu(lol) at least for the convenience.
I'd even watch temu tablet advertisements for them 🌚
 
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Hey currently i’m using hurricane 3 commercial OS 39 degrees with 3 layers of FTL, but i’ll start using regular haifu. My forehand motion is pretty big i would say, and start from bottom, so i can lift balls and make high arc shots pretty easy, and i can also do counter loop, and loop kills.
I like the feeling of the big forehand motion, but some people say i should start doing less efort in the strokes and play with hybrid or esn rubbers, my heart says to try the blue provincial sponge, what should i choose?
The blade i’m using is xiom 36.5 ALXi, fastarc G1 BH
Imo, NUZN 50 or MK Hybrid could be great options for your transition towards more bouncy hybrids with less stroke motion.
I don't think BS can shorten your movement, as I would argue it demands the "wide motion" technique even more than OS.
 
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You should consider hybrids, you can still do your normal strokes which will still generate shots of good quality. When you are in an awkward situation, ie. shot is placed at your elbow position, the hybrid rubbers have enough catapult where you can just can just focus on brushing, hence, be able to put back the ball with decent quality.

I used to used hurricane, battle 2 and xuperman power-play. Now I am using donic bluegrip J1 and shots are easier to execute with decent quality.
 
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You should consider hybrids, you can still do your normal strokes which will still generate shots of good quality. When you are in an awkward situation, ie. shot is placed at your elbow position, the hybrid rubbers have enough catapult where you can just can just focus on brushing, hence, be able to put back the ball with decent quality.

I used to used hurricane, battle 2 and xuperman power-play. Now I am using donic bluegrip J1 and shots are easier to execute with decent quality.
Do you boost the J1?
 
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I recommend you to try Pinyi Cuifeng blue sponge or Quanshibao F1. No need to boost them and they act like boosted 40 degree H3 blue sponge, maybe a bit faster and a bit less spin but right up there with H3.

The biggest challenge is to get them, because they are only available on taobao, so if you want to get them abroad you need to use some agent. But I still say it's worth it over H3 BS.
Their durability is also very good, much better than German or Japanese sticky rubbers and I would say better than H3 since you don't need to boost these.

Both the Pinyi and Quanshibao rubber have blue sponge so that's at least 2-3 points advantage anyway.🫣

I see a Chinese shop selling PINYI Cui Feng Blue Sponge only black 2.15 medium or hard, what hadrness should I expect for medium or hard?
 
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I see a Chinese shop selling PINYI Cui Feng Blue Sponge only black 2.15 medium or hard, what hadrness should I expect for medium or hard?
Medium is 39-40, hard is 41-42. If you don't want to boost I would recommend the medium.
 
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Thank you, TokSpin is a reliable Chinese seller https://tokspin.com/?
yes, tokspin is very reliable. it's the same people as "chinese ping pong" on aliexpress.
if you need something they don't have listed on their website it is also worth writing them and ask if they can get it. they usually communicate quickly and in perfect english.

Total incl. shipping to Spain (Europe) and VAT is 35.07$ USD, is a good price?
their prices are a few $ higher than if you'd buy directly from the source via taobao of course, but nothing crazy, and their service is professional.
 
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