Is it unfair to say “yes”/“cho” when the opponent makes an error?

[PhoenixTT]

In Japan, usually people celebrate by shouting "RAKKI !!!!" (Lucky) when they score a lucky point, which include the opponent missing the easy smash for example or the easy ball while you're totally out of position...

If you come across a video of this, would love to see / hear it!

 

[GSpotSniper]

I think a case where its def. appropriate is if they make an error on match point in a very close, hard fought match. Than you are just CHOing for the win after match point

 

[Zezima]

I only cho when I get a net or edge point....

Only in training 😂

 

[blahness]

Not too sure why everyone says this nonsensical word rather than a fist pump "Yes" or something like that. I even seen badminton players cho so unfortunately it may have been infectious...

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

you get all kinds of players, some introvert that are dead quiet, and some that cho more times than the points they earn, ie 3 to 5 or 10 cho for every point won.
so if they scored say 30 to 40 points in a 5 game setting, that is like 200 to 400 chos.

from a coaching angle, if you are letting the opponent behavior bother you, then that is your own problem.
wait till you meet abusive players, that start throwing verbal abuse when things don't get they way.

all these are just normal challenges any athlete needs to overcome should you wish to win.
the solution is not ask your opponent to be less meaner.

 

[thisisit]

Yes, it's because I think you are wrong, but can use philosophical skepticism to deny what common sense traditional believes, so I grant that one can't argue subjective valuation but if you asked most people, they would side with me not you lol. There is a reason why people find Harimoto and Truls more mentally strong players than Lin Yun Ju and Sora Matsushima and I struggle to believe it is tied to their quality of play. Timo also got louder as his career went on as well.

if you would have payed more attention in school, you would have known that using logical fallacies(appeal to popularity and anecdotes in this case, just to spell it out), can't lead to a valid argumentation.

so, you, like most people here, are talking out of your ass, just because you need to be right.

ah, the internet ).

 

[thisisit]

Highly empathetic people, while nice, can't always get along well in competitive environments like athletics, professional or amateur. Your problem is less about TT and more about how people that you are defending can navigate any competitive environment.

what people am i defending?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I only cho when I get a net or edge point....

Only in training 😂

I only get nets and edges in training, never in matches

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

do you guys notice; even the silent assassins, that is, Lin Yunju also cho leh these days. If he can cho, everyone can cho & lei!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

do you guys notice; even the silent assassins, that is, Lin Yunju also cho leh these days. If he can cho, everyone can cho & lei!

its called the coaches influence
the coach is on a mission to make his voice be heard on livestreams

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

I propose an unwritten rule that for anyone named Cho (like Cho Daesong) it is always permissible to 'Cho'. Also, Kou Lei is always allowed to 'Cho', 'Cho Lei', or 'Kou Lei' whichever he prefers. Suggested baby name if he decides to have a baby: 'Cho'.

 

[NetProphet]

Hi everyone,

I had a situation in my latest regional match that left me a bit puzzled, and I’d like to hear what others think.

I won the match 3–1, and right after we shook hands, my opponent came over and told me he didn’t think it was fair that I said “yes” or “cho” on points where he made a mistake. I was honestly surprised. I told him that I never celebrate lucky points, but that I do think it’s completely fine to express myself when I win a rally – even if the final shot is his error.

He replied that he had never experienced that before. I said that, from my perspective, forcing an error is also part of earning the point. He just smiled, shook his head, and didn’t say anything more.

What’s your take on this?

Is it considered bad etiquette to vocalize after points that end in the opponent’s mistake? Or is it just part of normal match intensity?

Your post describes my thoughts on it, I 100% agree with you on this.
His mouthing off at the end was sour grapes, no doubt about it.
Ignore him and keep going.

 

[NetProphet]

tt is a zero sum game. every won point comes at the expense of a lost point for the other side. so whenever things go good for you(win a point), you are understandably happy. that exact situation is for the opponent a bad thing(he lost a point) and he is understandably unhappy.

expressing yourself very overtly for a thing that makes you happy and at the same time makes your opponent unhappy can, also understandably, lead to more unhappiness for the later.

people who are more empathic are more susceptible to being hurt by a cho-ing opponent, because they never or almost never do it to their opponents because they don't want to cause more, of what they believe to be unfair, unhappiness for them.

imo, cho-ing and the like should be punished by tt rules. some people don't care about it, but for some, it really messes with their game.

also, sometimes you hear defenders of cho-ing say something like "but this is just how i express myself". an argument which is obviously flawed. for example, if one would send dickpics to the cho-ing person's daughter after they would win a point against them and say "but this is just how i express myself", the cho-ing person wouldn't take it very well probably.

Dickpics of someone's daughter?
I think anyone finding out his daughter now has a dick most likely won't take it very well😯
But seriously, there is far far too much confusion being introduced into this thread 😂

 

[Lungfish]

Hi everyone,

I had a situation in my latest regional match that left me a bit puzzled, and I’d like to hear what others think.

I won the match 3–1, and right after we shook hands, my opponent came over and told me he didn’t think it was fair that I said “yes” or “cho” on points where he made a mistake. I was honestly surprised. I told him that I never celebrate lucky points, but that I do think it’s completely fine to express myself when I win a rally – even if the final shot is his error.

He replied that he had never experienced that before. I said that, from my perspective, forcing an error is also part of earning the point. He just smiled, shook his head, and didn’t say anything more.

What’s your take on this?

Is it considered bad etiquette to vocalize after points that end in the opponent’s mistake? Or is it just part of normal match intensity?

IMHO he was just being salty but I will say that that was correct that it is annoying. I personally don't cho but I don't think it's bad. From my experience, when I play people who 'cho' a lot, it is just a test for my mental strength.

 

[Lungfish]

Hi everyone,

I had a situation in my latest regional match that left me a bit puzzled, and I’d like to hear what others think.

I won the match 3–1, and right after we shook hands, my opponent came over and told me he didn’t think it was fair that I said “yes” or “cho” on points where he made a mistake. I was honestly surprised. I told him that I never celebrate lucky points, but that I do think it’s completely fine to express myself when I win a rally – even if the final shot is his error.

He replied that he had never experienced that before. I said that, from my perspective, forcing an error is also part of earning the point. He just smiled, shook his head, and didn’t say anything more.

What’s your take on this?

Is it considered bad etiquette to vocalize after points that end in the opponent’s mistake? Or is it just part of normal match intensity?

cool equipment setup btw

 

[NextLevel]

do you guys notice; even the silent assassins, that is, Lin Yunju also cho leh these days. If he can cho, everyone can cho & lei!

I think your confusing his coach"s chos with his. Lin and Sora outsource their vocal expression to the bench.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

I think your confusing his coach"s chos with his. Lin and Sora outsource their vocal expression to the bench.

Oh! I did not know that. I was massively surprised when I hear Cho Lei each time LYJ win points. Now I stand corrected; it was his coach cho'ing instead. Thank you for clearing it up.

 

[alain61]

Is it considered bad etiquette to vocalize after points that end in the opponent’s mistake? Or is it just part of normal match intensity?

Is it "unfair" ? If it remains within reasonable limits, it doesn't seem "unfair" to me. However, it's certainly not essential.