Why doesn't Nittaku fastarc G-1 spin as much as my soft tensor rubber can?

[zaivyi]

I'm typing it in order to find out why I cannot spin the ball with it, because I chose this rubber on my forehand based on a lot of good feedbacks and It didn't work as good as other were talking about. And now I'm curious what type of rubber will fit my game better(on backhand I use Tibhar aurus select, but it seems too slow for me), due to this I don't know what rubber should I choose to avoid mistakes?

And I have been playing around 1 year, but I can make quite decent spin with Tibhar Aurus Select, and my looping strokes are really consistent with it, but I want to make more speed(this is the main point).

 

[merlin el mago]

Because you doesn't loop hard from the ground.

Also 7 plies all wood or with fibers help to attack.

 

[NetProphet]

I'm typing it in order to find out why I cannot spin the ball with it, because I chose this rubber on my forehand based on a lot of good feedbacks and It didn't work as good as other were talking about. And now I'm curious what type of rubber will fit my game better(on backhand I use Tibhar aurus select, but it seems too slow for me), due to this I don't know what rubber should I choose to avoid mistakes?

And I have been playing around 1 year, but I can make quite decent spin with Tibhar Aurus Select, and my looping strokes are really consistent with it, but I want to make more speed(this is the main point).

The Aurus is softer, both the sponge and the top sheet are softer and so the ball penetrates them both much more easily, so achieving spin is easier.

It is more difficult to achieve spin with a harder rubber/sponge combination.
This difference is even more pronounced with limited technical ability and limited stroke mechanics.
To progress with G1 (because it is a great rubber) I would recommend some proper coaching. Really this is the fastest way forward.
Once you generate more swing speed with good technique you will get lot more spin from the G1 and it will come with the added speed you are looking for.
A hard blade can be part of the problem too sometimes but I reckon you have chosen an excellent blade for now.

 

[zaivyi]

So what should I take now?

 

[zaivyi]

Just can you mention rubbers that will help me to develop my technique better?

 

[Matteones]

The rubbers you have are perfectly fine for developing your technique.

Just stick to them for a couple of years (change them for new sheets of the same model after you use them for 100 -150 hours of training, when you pass the ball on it and it slips instead of gripping) of consistent training and when you'll start to understand (not intellectually, when your body and hand actually feel it and understand it) spin you can make your own decision on what you prefer (harder or softer rubbers).
This can be done only with repetition, tons of repetition. In exercises and matches.

With coaching is the easiest and fastest.
It can be done also without coaching, if you have a club and many people of different levels to play with and to watch and ask advice to.
Do not recommend doing it only with a robot, but if that's your only option, I admire your passion and go for it.

 

[merlin el mago]

Coach, coach, coach & train, train, train!

 

[NetProphet]

Just can you mention rubbers that will help me to develop my technique better?

You can either stick with G1 and getting some coaching or you can replace G1 with a softer rubber such as Rakza 7.
Aurus is obviously an option too.

I personally think that keeping the G1 and getting some coaching is the best way forward and will benefit you the most in the long run.
Using softer rubbers is fun but as a beginner it is where you can ingrain bad habits that are hard to change later when you try to develop real and proper technique.
I would say to get the coaching now so you can be sure you are practicing the correct things going forward.

 

[zaivyi]

Thank you for your help, I hope I will be able to loop correctly as soon as possible, and I'm training at club about half a year(but I don't have a coach)

 

[NetProphet]

Thank you for your help, I hope I will be able to loop correctly as soon as possible, and I'm training at club about half a year(but I don't have a coach)

There are many coaches on YouTube that can help a lot with learning the basics of looping but none are as good as having a coach in front of you actively correcting you and showing you where you're going wrong. Even if you only got 2-3 hours of coaching a month for the next few months it can help you to learn the correct patterns and movements to practice all the other hours you spend playing. Because without it, it just means that like all the rest of us you will spend all of your time practicing incorrect techniques as your body compensates in different ways as you try to achieve more spin and power. If you can get the waist rotation, chest movement and leg involvement all activated early in your learning you will put yourself WAY ahead of others playing for the same length of time.
And don't sweat the equipment too much, your set-up now is a very good one, just persevere with it. You have identified yourself that you need to generate more spin with it, so just have fun as you learn it! 😊

 

[Amayzde]

This is quite a funny topic because for me its the exact opposite experience.

I have been playing with G-1 on both sides for a few years now. And I like the rubber alot, its very spinny. Maybe not Dignics levels of spin, but enough spin to make my opponents block the balls off the able.

On my forehand its been perferct, but on my backhand its sometimes difficult to handle pressure. So I decided to try C-1 on my backhand. Because I thin its important to have a consisstent backhand instead of a potentially more dangerous backhand.

But I was quite dissapointed when I had my first session with the C-1. It was not too difficult to adapt to the different hardness. But to my surprise there wasnt much spin coming from the rubber. I was expecting the C-1 to be a bit less spinny then the G-1 because of the softer rubber, but the spin im getting with it is close to none.

But to answer your question:
G-1 can be quite difficult to use in the beginning. Besides its medium-hard sponge it also has quite a hard topsheet. This makes it even harder to get that holding effect to create spin.

You can do 2 things. If you have a coach that can help you improve your technique, you can stick with G-1 and eventually with enough trainging, get the most out of it.

The second option would be to get a different rubber. But its hard to tell which one. Rakza 7 could work. Its actually the rubber that Im going to try on my backhand. But there is no garuantee it will work out.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

Famous American Coach explains.

Spoiler: TL:DR version...

You are not 2,200 rating, that's why you can't use it. Not I say, he said.

 

[Caravenav]

Thank you for your help, I hope I will be able to loop correctly as soon as possible, and I'm training at club about half a year(but I don't have a coach)

If you don't have a coach, record your training session and watch the video carefully. Check online coaching videos that show the correct technique for your movement and stroke, and try to correct it. If you feel that there has been no improvement, record another training session and post your video here. There are several advanced players and coaches on the forum who could help you improve.

 

[joshmak10]

I found starting with hard rubbers as a beginner helped me get to a good level without any coaching at all, since these rubbers force me to have good technique and not be lazy

 

[Marvinn8686]

Rakza 7 is apparently quite popular for coaching and it looks like a safe bet. Two teenagers from my training group enrolled into real club recently (to the reserves actually, but still in lowest of pro leagues). They got recommended some some 7 ply all wood with Rakza 7. They are visiting on regular manner and when I play them I don't think they lack speed or spin. Also other colleague started playing as an adult, the coach from his son's club advised him Rakza 7 on yasaka sweden extra. He surely still need to develop his technique, the two formerly mentioned guys have their strokes already well learned.
If the Fastarc G-1 looks less spinny for you, then it might be you are still "before" it on the learning curve.

 

[belllfador]

Probably because I play a lot with hard rubbers, and they match my FH game, switching between H3 BS and G1 is easy for me. The rubbers are very different, but they have something in common — the need of extra effort for a good loop. And G1 is the easiest of both.

My advice is just focus on your technic and keep G1.

 

[WingTT]

Famous American Coach explains.

Spoiler: TL:DR version...

You are not 2,200 rating, that's why you can't use it. Not I say, he said.

You mean infamous. Also that information is pretty much out of date along with those Nittaku rubbers. I'm pretty sure most of the offensive counterlooping players at 2200 and above aren't playing with G1 or any other rubber close to its hardness especially for the forehand. The plastic ball has changed the game.

 

[Nash77]

You mean infamous. Also that information is pretty much out of date along with those Nittaku rubbers. I'm pretty sure most of the offensive counterlooping players at 2200 and above aren't playing with G1 or any other rubber close to its hardness especially for the forehand. The plastic ball has changed the game.

can you explain why?

whats outdated about G1 exactly?

is it too hard or too soft for 2200 players?

 

[WingTT]

can you explain why?

whats outdated about G1 exactly?

is it too hard or too soft for 2200 players?

G1 is too soft for a high level offensive games because with the plastic ball you get better spin and speed if you attack the ball with harder rubbers. Softer rubbers will bottom out on hard hits causing non linear behaviour and also limits the amount of energy/spin that can be returned on the ball due to the sponge, which acts like a spring, running out of deformation.

G1 was released in 2010, 15 years ago and about 4 years before the plastic ball was mandated by ITTF. It was not designed for the plastic ball and is also outdated as table tennis rubber technology keeps advancing.

 

[BlopChock]

...is it too hard or too soft for 2200 players?

Neither.

G1 is too soft for a high level offensive games...

Aha. Hahahaha.

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