Best Chinese sticky rubbers that don't need boosting

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Not everyone is a strong old goat like you.😏 Actually my gf uses Rxton 3 pro on FH too since light and easy to use. But she's just a very casual hobby player.
I always classified myself as a ""Mediocre-Club-Hack"" but as far as your GF is concerned it shows that she has some class and feel.........and i would love to meet her 😁
 
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This jupiter 3 tour / national blue sponge is a gem. It is a very good and durable alternative to h3 neo.
It is best with one layer of booster for the harder versions and I think it comes "pre-tuned" but it's totally usable without booster - and the boosting effect doesn't really seem to wear away.

It is very tacky and great for serve / recieve - even better than h3n imo. It is faster with a longer arc than h3n.
I prefer a freshly boosted sheet of h3n but this lasts a lot longer without needing re-boosting.
Definitely worth the price.
What is the weight of jupiter 3 tour?
 
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This jupiter 3 tour / national blue sponge is a gem. It is a very good and durable alternative to h3 neo.
It is best with one layer of booster for the harder versions and I think it comes "pre-tuned" but it's totally usable without booster - and the boosting effect doesn't really seem to wear away.

It is very tacky and great for serve / recieve - even better than h3n imo. It is faster with a longer arc than h3n.
I prefer a freshly boosted sheet of h3n but this lasts a lot longer without needing re-boosting.
Definitely worth the price.
What hardness would you recommend for an intermediate? Currently using J3A 38 on a Timber 5 Off (fast and stiff 5-ply) which i feel is a good combo. I tried the J3A 39 on a YEO and it just felt dead to me..
 
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What hardness would you recommend for an intermediate? Currently using J3A 38 on a Timber 5 Off (fast and stiff 5-ply) which i feel is a good combo. I tried the J3A 39 on a YEO and it just felt dead to me..
If you've got booster, I would get 39 or 40 and do one layer booster.

Otherwise 38 is good I think it.

Often these Chinese tacky rubbers also take a bit of time to break in a bit, especially without booster.
 
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has anyone else tried yinhe jupiter 3 tour? reviews indicate that its a pretty good alternative for boosted h3 neo bs
Well... I did try it, but not a boosted h3. I did some first impressions of it in a thread before. Not sure if this will help.
Also I used AI to correct spelling mistakes and noticed it also changed more than just that, so feel free to ask again
 
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Had a quick go with the Yinhe Jupiter 3 tour again on a Yinhe V-14 Pro (100+g monster), now that it is less humid, the tack can do its job again and was quite nice to play. Lifts the ball easily, controlled while countering and easy to play short. Speed was enough, the sponge did start to break in now I geuess. Still hard tho and therfore I struggle to get the shots to have consistent speed.
Tbh I might give it a try again after this midseason.
 
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has anyone else tried yinhe jupiter 3 tour? reviews indicate that its a pretty good alternative for boosted h3 neo bs
I tried it but I couldn't boost it well so it didn't feel amazing to me. Also not really cheaper than H3BS prov so kind of lost all of its appeal.
 
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Well what to say? I guess the list is like best sticky FH rubbers that don't need boosting that are made in China. I think many people like me don't fancy boosting that much, so we look for the holy grail of rubbers that is like a boosted H3N BS for cheap.

My list is below but probably incomplete, and as a reminder no boost, not even factory boost.

-1, Pinyi Cuifeng 39-40deg. I think this has the most potential as a non boosted H3 BS alternative. It's about as fast as Rozena or Glayzer, quite sticky, has bounce, feels good to use, it's cheap as hell at 14USD in China, durable and you can feel the ball's weight very well on your racket, maybe next to none on this regard. Negative is that it's a bit on the heavy side and pretty much unavailable besides taobao or certain sellers.

-2, Quanshibao F1, I can say about the same as the Cuifeng but it's a bit slower, a bit less catapulty and a bit less durable, a bit more expensive at 18USD and it's a bit lighter. I think it's a huge win rubber.

-3, Loki Arthur China, I'm pretty sure it's a different manufacturer and different concept but good sticky grip, good speed, has some bounce, not too heavy, used to be cheap but it's actually getting expensive, consistency of the sponge is so-so and it possibly can bubble up fast so durability is questionable at best and shit at worst. However it performs very well until it lasts.

-4, Double Fish Qiji red sponge (spin). It's a bit similar to the Loki but durability is better, the topsheet has some magic, it stays sticky forever, sponge is bouncy enough, bit heavy but it's like a D09c lite.

-5, Hurricane 8-80, also a bit like a D09c lite, but weight is all over the place, from 49g cut to 55g, H8 topsheet is very sticky, it has some bounce but also very hit and miss, durability is good. I think it's a fairly safe rubber to get.

-6, Quanshibao P1, weird since the manufacturer rates this above F1 in all metrics, but I disagree. I think too hard and heavy, F1 is much better.

-7, Sanwei New Target National, light, cheap, available, durable, good stick, decent speed, linear catapult, but kinda flat arc, I feel like the sponge doesn't support much at all so it bottoms out fast on hard blades. On slow soft blades it's not fast enough.

-8, Palio The Way, initially I said this is like a 50 degree ESN killer and I think so and maybe even a first rubber to enter the sticky Chinese rubber world. For that reason I would recommend it the most. Perfromance is quite good and easy to use, OK weight, however for me the sponge didn't last long, after 2 hours it felt amazing after 10 hours it felt broken. I know most people won't break the sponge like I do but I'm telling you that if you hit hard maybe it will become unpredictable faster than others.

-9, H3N, yeah if you don't boost H3N is about here.

I didn't try everything Chinese but this is a pretty comprehensive list for some people to get started or acquainted to Chinese rubbers.
Let me add 729 Battle 3 Tiger or Discovery 4 version (fuck if I know) I would put this somewhere above H3N, but only because it's slow but the spin is really there and in a way it's quite quirky, my opponents really hate it. Since it's slow it allowed me to go to balls to the walls power and still put on the table. But the sponge feels soft and like it has no bottom which is a feeling I really hate.

Another one is Sanwei Gear Hyper 39, the sponge is a bit soft, but OK, the topsheet is a bit weak, so if you use a lighter ball like Joola Flash then it's kinda OK. If you use DHS D40+ or DJ40+ 2021 WTT I feel the topsheet is too weak and can't spin the ball enough. The fault tolerance is really there, if someone is a flat hitter this might be the best rubber ever.

I still say that Pinyi Cuifeng 3rd gen 39-40deg blue sponge has the highest potential out of everything. It really has no weakness and has many strengths. In fact I really like it on BH side too, I wish they would make it in red.
It works with all balls I tried, it handles difficult conditions well, it is not too heavy, not too light, durable, great speed, great spin, cheap, it's fast enough to be used with Viscaria or Innerforce blade, yeah I would totally use it with W968 and I am considering that a lot since maybe it's a bit too fast with Ice Cream AZX Pro... I'm pretty certain it's in D09c speed territory and leaves G09c in the dirt. Great bottom strenght and topsheet elasticity, one can really feel how the ball deforms the rubber, sponge and the blade, so that's why I'm thinking that W968 might be even more suitable or Cybershape...
Since Pinyi is a Tianjin registered company I am guessing the rubber is made by RITC/729 but I really wonder if 729 can make this rubber for Pinyi (a really obscure company at best and a no one at worst) why they can't use this sponge with the Battle 3???
 
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Let me also revise Sanwei Target National. Actually, I would say the Sanwei Target National (Silver cardboard pack) and the Aliexpress Sanwei Target National 3 is not the same. The silver pack has a little reverse dome, while the Aliexpress or taobao plastic pack has more reverse dome. And the Cheaper Aliexpress/taobao version is better with the bigger reverse dome. The STN3 is lighter and has more bounce and higher arc in my view.
With this scenario the rubber moves up to #1-2 spot for sure.

STN3 works really well with limba top ply. Maybe innerforce blades are not fast enough for speed, but have the arc. But sometinhg like Mizutani ZLC, potentially Freitas ALC have limba outer so should have the arc and the speed too.
 
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Let me also revise Sanwei Target National. Actually, I would say the Sanwei Target National (Silver cardboard pack) and the Aliexpress Sanwei Target National 3 is not the same. The silver pack has a little reverse dome, while the Aliexpress or taobao plastic pack has more reverse dome. And the Cheaper Aliexpress/taobao version is better with the bigger reverse dome. The STN3 is lighter and has more bounce and higher arc in my view.
With this scenario the rubber moves up to #1-2 spot for sure.

STN3 works really well with limba top ply. Maybe innerforce blades are not fast enough for speed, but have the arc. But sometinhg like Mizutani ZLC, potentially Freitas ALC have limba outer so should have the arc and the speed too.
What's your opinion on STN(this one? https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=sanwei-target-national), vs Pinyi Cuifeng vs Jupiter 3 Tour.

I know you discounted the Jupiter 3 Tour on the basis of it being factory boosted, but I've heard it lasts for at least 3 months so it being pre-tuned isn't a huge deal for me personally(besides the fact it smells like ass).

Wondering what the differences are between these 3 rubbers and how they play out of the box as I'm tired of boosting my H3N's(kind of already know the answer to this that nothing can replace boosted H3, but wanted to know what gets closest) now that you've had more time with the STN
 
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Omgomgomgomg pls let this be good and not suck.
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I just can't stand the low throw angle. I prefer the Battle Max
So actually I couldn't understand this comment untill some time ago I tried the Battle 2 on a carbon blade (and I've always played with it on a 7ply all-wood).. And, omg, the throw angle was so low.. I struggled a lot with it. And on my Xylo 7 it's waaaay higher (and I came back to it).
So now I understand what you mean 😅
 
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ah, finally Pentium III

Will see if this one is a revolution or another version of battle that is completely the same as the other b2s or b3.
I still think Battle 3 topsheet is the best sticky if not the best topsheet available altogether. I don't have much experience with Zyre but for sure Battle 3 topsheet for me is significantly better than D09c or H3.
If 729 gives it only a semi decent bouncy and elastic sponge then it will be a D09c and boosted H3 competitor.
I just hope 729 doesn't bring their "usual form" and pair it with a sucky sponge. It would also be nice if the overall weight would be light.
 
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I feel Chinese rubbers without booster is made for people with good footwork and high stamina. I found with some booster it gives me a bigger margin of error where I don't have to have perfect footwork to activate the grip and power.
Also to those who actually want to learn proper technique without the rubber 'pop' by itself. It is much more satistfying to hit a loopkill with H3 or B2 or Skyline 2 than with T05 or whatever tensor. On a higher level the footwork and stamina is a must anyway, so rubber is complementary to the technique.

With cheap battle II or commercial H3 I feel like anyone can get to a very advanced level, then may be upgrade to something more professional.

The problem with some cheap rubbers is that for me they don't perform well in some situations, which are crucial and very important already at my level. Like pushing short ball with high amounts of spin, some cheaper rubbers just can't do that without booster...
 
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Well what to say? I guess the list is like best sticky FH rubbers that don't need boosting that are made in China. I think many people like me don't fancy boosting that much, so we look for the holy grail of rubbers that is like a boosted H3N BS for cheap.

My list is below but probably incomplete, and as a reminder no boost, not even factory boost.
i'd like to add Chonglang Lanfeng Pro 40° and Quanshibao Speed 08 to the list. the latter is meant for BH, but so is H8-80.
 
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