[Equipment Guide] Best First Intermediate Table Tennis Rubbers in 2026: A Comprehensive List & Analysis

[victormanriquey]

Comparing the impact of shoes in football to the impact of rubbers and blades in table tennis is ridiculous for obvious reasons.

Correct, but one must have some fun from time to time no @ThePongCommenter ?

Exploit model seems a bit dramatic too, unless all product marketing is what you consider exploit models.

Well there are differences in there for sure. A company selling beds with a shop where you can try them, bring them back after 100 sleep nights and with clear information about their products and how they compare (this is some personal experience too from last year) is exploiting you less than all the big table tennis brands. Think of buying some cookingware, a TV, earplugs (I can keep going) and many other products really, none share the patterns of buying TT gear. Because:

- They don't let you try the products before you buy in an easy or accessible way. (okey sometimes you can try blades, fair enough when it comes to feeling, but it's not the complete product)
- They don't let you bring them back after used or even after purchased if opened
- They are usually abstract on their product characteristics and for which reason you should buy what, it's always a bit vague
- Lastly, they release new products constantly with difficult names and materials most people don't even understand, and mention how they are superior in any way to all things before.

Doesn't this sound like they are just trying to keep you around and buying in the dark? I'd say there are some exploiting patterns in there.

Not to mention that a review of a television or a car is often easy to compare. With TT this is often a really difficult task due to the nature of differences in testing and personal preferences.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Correct, but one must have some fun from time to time no @ThePongCommenter ?


Well there are differences in there for sure. A company selling beds with a shop where you can try them, bring them back after 100 sleep nights and with clear information about their products and how they compare (this is some personal experience too from last year) is exploiting you less than all the big table tennis brands. Think of buying some cookingware, a TV, earplugs (I can keep going) and many other products really, none share the patterns of buying TT gear. Because:

- They don't let you try the products before you buy in an easy or accessible way. (okey sometimes you can try blades, fair enough when it comes to feeling, but it's not the complete product)
- They don't let you bring them back after used or even after purchased if opened
- They are usually abstract on their product characteristics and for which reason you should buy what, it's always a bit vague
- Lastly, they release new products constantly with difficult names and materials most people don't even understand, and mention how they are superior in any way to all things before.

Doesn't this sound like they are just trying to keep you around and buying in the dark? I'd say there are some exploiting patterns in there.

Not to mention that a review of a television or a car is often easy to compare. With TT this is often a really difficult task due to the nature of differences in testing and personal preferences.

Are you cutting a mattress to your personal body size and then expending most of the product's useful life during a 100 day trial period? No. You would be for table tennis equipment. TT brands also provide clear information about their products and how they compare - most of them give you numbers and charts where you can compare the properties of their various products.

Mattress companies don't release products with difficult names and materials most people don't understand such as memory foam, various cooling technologies, smart this and that, zoned support, phase-change, high polymer?

 

[victormanriquey]

So in some cases you are recommending your customers equipment that you have tried for 30 minutes maximum? And people are letting you borrow their rackets for days and weeks at a time?

I understand that you are trying to poke holes in my story and what I offer people, that's fine, I'm always transparent and happy to answer anything, I'm never gonna be defensive and if you have a point, then I'll say you have a point.

As mentioned, yes, I cannot play with all the rubbers and blades I talk about for months, it's just impossible even during a lifetime, I think we can all agree to that. So yes, there is a long tail of blades and rubbers I have only tried 30 minutes on FH/BH topspin/backspin/serve/return short and long, just to try. And yes, I borrow stuff but of course not at the same time, that would be too much

Now you can say, oh my god, then it's impossible you know how they play, for that, you need months. And yes, you have a point here, but let me explain my perspective on this topic, and I'm glad you asked and @NextLevel gave a thumbs up, I guess he wants to know too, so please participate in the discussion too, I enjoy these kind of chats as you can see

So, here's how I think of this:
- I'm an EJ all the way, I like trying stuff all the time, so aside from my own wallet being a negative thing, the good side of things is that I have a pretty good idea of how different equipment feels.
- I also am very interested in the deeper aspects of equipment. I'm a nerd in wood and is properties, and I'm also a nerd in sponge properties. I think I was able to explain pores, walls and pips in a good way in my post, and those are not easy concepts to grasp immediately.
- I also know how good technique looks like and sounds like. I cannot always do it myself, I started too late TT (due to previous sports injuries that led me to TT), but I have seen hundreds of videos on youtube of all types and styles chinese, european, japanese, indian, guys/women, etc. I've also done plenty of 1-1 coaching with people who played high level TT before (and I coach myself), but again, not good enough (yet, as I hope) to always reproduce that myself even though I try hard every day.

So these 3 things combined mean that when I try a rubber or blade for let's say 30 minutes, I have 80% of the information, pareto applies here too. Now you may say, and you will again have a point, how do you give advice with just 80% of the information in many cases?

Well, let's say you go to shop to buy stuff. They have also not tried all their blades and rubbers they have, and many they have only tried once. Even most of us here, have only tried a certain amount of combinations, so it's fair for a shop too. But when you go to a shop, they don't know how you play, they have not seen your good and bad points, they don't know your gear history and they often don't have 2-3h to go deep into all those aspects. Maybe you know shops like this, but in europe, if they give you 15 minutes of their time, that's a lot already.

I dedicate around 2-3h per person, watch their videos, dive into every detail of their technique and gear and in the end yes, I give advice, sometimes things that I have tried 30 minutes, but in the majority of cases, more than 90% of times, I only advice things I feel very sure of and i have tested on others too. And all of it for 15 or 30 euros

So I think in overall, I don't think I'm in a worse position than somebody in a shop or club to give advice. It's also not my main job (I'm a software principal product manager during my week), but I need to charge a bit to limit the amount of people who ask me for stuff, also to pay my own gear trials, which is where the money goes back to, so I can do better reviews

Please discuss! It's a good topic and I'm sure others wonder the same, I'm happy to share anything else!

 

[victormanriquey]

Are you cutting a mattress to your personal body size and then expending most of the product's useful life during a 100 day trial period?

I did yes, advice was pretty personalised and we tried 3 different mattresses and brought 2 back due to that.

TT brands also provide clear information about their products and how they compare - most of them give you numbers and charts where you can compare the properties of their various products.

Ah yes, the illusion of objective data. The problem here is, each brand measures differently everything, so there is absolutely no way to compare them rather than experience and understanding the materials/structure inside. If you stick to one brand, then sure, that's easier, but do people always want to stick to the same brand? Maybe it doesn't fit their budget, they cannot find them in their countries, etc. Same for a matress by the way, but that's where testing stuff in an open and honest way helps. TT brands never allow this and I think it's a problem for people that feels unfair. @belllfador is of the same opinion here for example as he mentioned before.

Mattress companies don't release products with difficult names and materials most people don't understand such as memory foam, various cooling technologies, smart this and that, zoned support, phase-change, high polymer?

Yes they do, but when you can try it and bring it back, it's easier, hence my above point.

 

[oophyte]

What's your review of Big Dipper V in comparison to other Chinese hybrids or previous BD versions?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

I did yes, advice was pretty personalised and we tried 3 different mattresses and brought 2 back due to that.

Ah yes, the illusion of objective data. The problem here is, each brand measures differently everything, so there is absolutely no way to compare them rather than experience and understanding the materials/structure inside. If you stick to one brand, then sure, that's easier, but do people always want to stick to the same brand? Maybe it doesn't fit their budget, they cannot find them in their countries, etc. Same for a matress by the way, but that's where testing stuff in an open and honest way helps. TT brands never allow this and I think it's a problem for people that feels unfair. @belllfador is of the same opinion here for example as he mentioned before.

Yes they do, but when you can try it and bring it back, it's easier, hence my above point.

I think everyone knows that the brand measurements cannot be compared cross-brand and that they are not truly objective but they are just meant to give customers a point of comparison. Maybe not. But I think this is common knowledge.

You say there is absolute no way to compare products cross brand, let's take an example:

Here is how Rozena is advertised by Butterfly:

ROZENA is a ground-breaking rubber that incorporates high levels of speed and spin, while simultaneously making High Tension rubber accessible to the masses. Rozena is a versatile rubber that lends itself to a variety of playing styles. This is a rubber sheet that has high tolerance, which improves your play through forgiveness and is recommended for players aiming for the top. Rozena follows the quality of legendary predecessors by demonstrating its effectiveness in plays close to the table or at mid-distance.

Here is how K3 is advertised by Tibhar:

The rubber HYBRID K3 combines characteristics that did not appear to be combinable until now: Despite its enormous tackiness, HYBRID K3 convinces by its high dynamic and powerful catapult effect. The hard sponge represents the basis of high speeds.
The pimple rubber gives you the sensation that you will be able to counter immediately and effortless your adversary’s balls – whether undercut or spin loaded topspins. Because fast rubbers often represent a challenge when it comes to optimal control and good placement, with K3 you will definitely master it. Experience unlimited possibilities with HYBRID K3.

So to me, in reading those descriptions I can pretty easily gather than Rozena is a middle ground rubber with a focus on stability and versatility and lacking in top end speed and spin, and that K3 is a hybrid rubber with a tacky topsheet yet hard and dynamic sponge. This aligns accurately with the experience with those rubbers that me, other players I know, and my students have had. Obviously there are still going to be variations from one hybrid rubber to the next or one stability rubber to the next, but those are things that are so subjective...

 

[belllfador]

I think everyone knows that the brand measurements cannot be compared cross-brand and that they are not truly objective but they are just meant to give customers a point of comparison. Maybe not. But I think this is common knowledge.

You say there is absolute no way to compare products cross brand, let's take an example:

Here is how Rozena is advertised by Butterfly:

ROZENA is a ground-breaking rubber that incorporates high levels of speed and spin, while simultaneously making High Tension rubber accessible to the masses. Rozena is a versatile rubber that lends itself to a variety of playing styles. This is a rubber sheet that has high tolerance, which improves your play through forgiveness and is recommended for players aiming for the top. Rozena follows the quality of legendary predecessors by demonstrating its effectiveness in plays close to the table or at mid-distance.

Here is how K3 is advertised by Tibhar:

The rubber HYBRID K3 combines characteristics that did not appear to be combinable until now: Despite its enormous tackiness, HYBRID K3 convinces by its high dynamic and powerful catapult effect. The hard sponge represents the basis of high speeds.
The pimple rubber gives you the sensation that you will be able to counter immediately and effortless your adversary’s balls – whether undercut or spin loaded topspins. Because fast rubbers often represent a challenge when it comes to optimal control and good placement, with K3 you will definitely master it. Experience unlimited possibilities with HYBRID K3.

So to me, in reading those descriptions I can pretty easily gather than Rozena is a middle ground rubber with a focus on stability and versatility and lacking in top end speed and spin, and that K3 is a hybrid rubber with a tacky topsheet yet hard and dynamic sponge. This aligns accurately with the experience with those rubbers that me, other players I know, and my students have had. Obviously there are still going to be variations from one hybrid rubber to the next or one stability rubber to the next, but those are things that are so subjective...

If this information is OK for you, good. But is not enough for me. I will be happy to see the rubber weight cut, uncut, with tolerances under every product. Real rebound speed with numbers. Response to spin for different ball speeds. Actual throw angle in degrees, again numbers, not fancy pictures and vague text. And so on, and so on. When I buy PC hardware, I buy it once every 5 years, there is no trial and error. I know what I am buying with 95% accuracy. And hardware is a million times more complex than wood and rubber. So please, I will be dramatic about TT marketing.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

If this information is OK for you, good. But is not enough for me. I will be happy to see the rubber weight cut, uncut, with tolerances under every product. Real rebound speed with numbers. Response to spin for different ball speeds. Actual throw angle in degrees, again numbers, not fancy pictures and vague text. And so on, and so on. When I buy PC hardware, I buy it once every 5 years, there is no trial and error. I know what I am buying with 95% accuracy. And hardware is a million times more complex than wood and rubber. So please, I will be dramatic about TT marketing.

That's great I'd love to see that too. But who is providing those numbers comprehensively? Victormanriquey?

 

[NextLevel]

If this information is OK for you, good. But is not enough for me. I will be happy to see the rubber weight cut, uncut, with tolerances under every product. Real rebound speed with numbers. Response to spin for different ball speeds. Actual throw angle in degrees, again numbers, not fancy pictures and vague text. And so on, and so on. When I buy PC hardware, I buy it once every 5 years, there is no trial and error. I know what I am buying with 95% accuracy. And hardware is a million times more complex than wood and rubber. So please, I will be dramatic about TT marketing.

IT's not that straightforward on many levels, but the question is partly what you intend to do with the data when it is provided to you. With the chips, there are people who use and need such information, usually engineers. For the equipment on rubber rebound, top pros currently don't use or require it, so an amateur has a much harder case to make that he needs such information.

 

[victormanriquey]

If this information is OK for you, good. But is not enough for me. I will be happy to see the rubber weight cut, uncut, with tolerances under every product. Real rebound speed with numbers. Response to spin for different ball speeds. Actual throw angle in degrees, again numbers, not fancy pictures and vague text. And so on, and so on. When I buy PC hardware, I buy it once every 5 years, there is no trial and error. I know what I am buying with 95% accuracy. And hardware is a million times more complex than wood and rubber. So please, I will be dramatic about TT marketing.

Agreed.

That's great I'd love to see that too. But who is providing those numbers comprehensively? Victormanriquey?

I wish I had the numbers and I would gladly share them with you all. But isn't the point of this discussion that nobody does?

This means we, as consumers, have a harder time buying TT equipment than with other things. Brands could solve this easily but they won't because opacity sells more.

And it also means, many other people and myself have to make reviews and guides that are always going to be imperfect due to different testing environments, but still help others spend less money and time on gear. I want to believe that is a good thing.

And I always say, please buy less equipment, buy it right for 6 months or longer and focus on what matters, technique.

 

[Doppelschlag]

Yes I am going to add that to the blogpost, I think it's a good addition and a very good review. I have only tested it once and a long time ago, I cannot really remember the feeling I had fully or the blade it was on, pity, so for this I will trust the blogpost

I think it can work for BH, just like 09c fits for BH well too, but not for a beginner or intermediate, you need to have a notion of hitting through in backhand before you can use this effectively in my opinion. Effectively is the key word here, a rubber can always be used


No i think there is truth in this, specially if you have used those on FH before and are upgrading the forehand to something harder tackier, no problem at all. If you like the hard tacky/semi-tacky feeling of 09c but wanna swap it to BH and get a H3n on FH or so, I think that's perfectly fine. Many people use 09c on forehand and think it's plenty hard, so I think again a matter of philosophy and personal preference, but I see no issues in principle with that.

Very good info. So do you think Dignics 09c can be a good FH rubber if going the semi-chines way? Grouping it together with H3 and Vega China ?

Could you also elaborate shortly on difference between Glayzer 09C and Dignics 09C please?

I do have the BH section on hybrid, it says Hybrid/Chinese haha but I have not added Nuzn 45 because I have not tried it before (I have tried a couple rasanters though) and was under the impression that for a beginner moving to intermediate it may be too fast? If you can ellaborate on that, I'm happy to add that into the mix, and MK is already in there, but with a word of caution to beginners And I agree, i like hybrids on BH, I follow that line of thinking too.

Yes, but I think it would be clearer, both in the blogpost as well as in the post above (including the TL;DR) to have path A, B, C also for the backhand – A Tensor, B Tensor:y Hybrid/Non-Tacky Hybrid (Nuzn 45/48, Tibhar MK/MK–FX), C: Chinese/Chinese Hybrid.

Also, I interpreted the passage about Tibhar MK as relating to FH specifically, so that’s why I was confused. The MK–FX is really a wonderful BH, the Nuzn 45 very similar (but is said to be much more durable). I can see how normal MK and Nuzn 48 will be great upgrades later on.

H3 (or similar hard/tacky rubbers) is for sure more demanding than many other rubbers, even if boosted, but with the correct technique you will feel it in the legs, core and condition, not so much on arm or wrist So if you play relaxed and only explode on right moments, it's a bit more doable. I still sweat like a beast every training session though (I play non-stop 3h or so xD)

You are really making me extremely curious to try out the Chinese Way now. So here’s a direct question: Playing the Hugo HAL now (non-carbon fiber. outer, but very wood:y. still some speed to it) with Soft hybrid on both sides. Should I put a Vega China/H3/Dignics 09C(/Glayzer 09c) on this racket, or on my backup, the Donic Persson Powerplay (7-ply) first and transfer it to Hugo if I really like it? [As a 3rd bat (given to me) I also have the Donic Smirnov Inner Carbon for further trials …]

 

[Souther]

Very good info. So do you think Dignics 09c can be a good FH rubber if going the semi-chines way? Grouping it together with H3 and Vega China ?

Could you also elaborate shortly on difference between Glayzer 09C and Dignics 09C please?




Yes, but I think it would be clearer, both in the blogpost as well as in the post above (including the TL;DR) to have path A, B, C also for the backhand – A Tensor, B Tensor:y Hybrid/Non-Tacky Hybrid (Nuzn 45/48, Tibhar MK/MK–FX), C: Chinese/Chinese Hybrid.

Also, I interpreted the passage about Tibhar MK as relating to FH specifically, so that’s why I was confused. The MK–FX is really a wonderful BH, the Nuzn 45 very similar (but is said to be much more durable). I can see how normal MK and Nuzn 48 will be great upgrades later on.



You are really making me extremely curious to try out the Chinese Way now. So here’s a direct question: Playing the Hugo HAL now (non-carbon fiber. outer, but very wood:y. still some speed to it) with Soft hybrid on both sides. Should I put a Vega China/H3/Dignics 09C(/Glayzer 09c) on this racket, or on my backup, the Donic Persson Powerplay (7-ply) first and transfer it to Hugo if I really like it? [As a 3rd bat (given to me) I also have the Donic Smirnov Inner Carbon for further trials …]

I would think to use your main blade since you have more feel and experience with it. This way you can immediately understand the effect of the rubber change without another variable from the blade. All those rubbers you listed are very different and should not really be grouped so interchangeably like that. And if you jump between them with little time, it is difficult to understand the strengths of the rubber. There are two on your list that are widely used: H3 and D09C. Pick one and dedicate 3 months with it and nothing else. You'll really get to understand it and know why so many pros use it. For H3, just go with blue sponge (40 or 41) and don't bother boosting. That just introduces another inconsistent and unnecessary variable. For D09C you don't have any choices, but the hardness is similar to 40 or 41.

 

[victormanriquey]

What's your review of Big Dipper V in comparison to other Chinese hybrids or previous BD versions?

I'm so sorry I totally missed this comment before @oophyte !!

So, I had not tried the previous versions of BD before, only the new one on the racket of my friend the other day, he is into budget stuff and I joke with him always about that, so anyways I wanted to try as many people have 'hyped' this one for the price. Blade was the yasaka ma lin carbon, so my experience is going to be linked to that, take it into account. For chinese hybrids, I have the most experience with 8-80 so I will compare it to that.

First of all, the BD is and feels harder than 8-80. I always used the 8-80 37 degrees and you can notice this from the get go, with the 8-80 you get a 'bouncy faster' feeling compared to what you experience with Hurricane 8 or 3 for example, and I think the BD will fit anyways better for FH, it is not bouncy and takes more effort to activate the sponge with the full body stroke, but not as much as H3N for comparison. Regarding this, feeling of BD was of a typical chinese hard tacky rubber with a 'better UX' out of the box, I guess because the sponge is softer and factory tuned, I think this is the best way I can explain it, an easier to use cheaper H3N. Throw angle is a bit higher than 8-80, but 8 and 8-80 are notorious for their lower throw angles. Also, 8-80 is much tackier, often i think that 8-80 has more tack nowadays than my h3, for sure the commercial which is almost zero tack, but still even a bit more than my provincials. There are QA issues as always with DHS so 8-80 can be a bit inconsistent too.

So my limited experience with it is that it can be a good rubber for the FH if you don't want to boost with H3 for example or if you find H3N too hard to use when coming from tensors or in overall, but I would use 8-80 for the backhand better. I dod think that my H3N BS can produce more spin/speed than BD but is more difficult to use (harder sponge so needs more body and hit, lower throw angle, etc). As always, tradeoffs

I did find btw a nice review on some technicals here, if you want go to 'dipper' (sorry for the bad joke) into this rubber probably good checking. They say similar things but much more in depth after they have done the real testing: https://www.aliexpress.com/p/wiki/article.html?keywords=big-dipper-v-review

 

[victormanriquey]

Very good info. So do you think Dignics 09c can be a good FH rubber if going the semi-chines way? Grouping it together with H3 and Vega China ?

Could you also elaborate shortly on difference between Glayzer 09C and Dignics 09C please?

I know plenty of people (and some pros in the past, not sure now) that use the dignics 09c on forehand, so that can for sure work. It's just a different vibe than H3 and Vega China. From my personal H3 experience, I just don't like the really high throw angle of 09c on forehand and I have a 'chinese' technique where i add the throw angle with my body (letting arm drop closely behind body - aka butt wipe) and thus dignics 09c hurts me there, or that is at least my personal feel when I have used it (I have 09c on BH so i have tried it often to have some fun). But many people use it and are happy with it! Speed and spin are very good and no boost needed

I mentioned above that one of the chinese players of our club who always used H3 just changed to 09c and he was happy about power but struggling to put balls on the table. 09c needs time to adjust and forces you go to go more forward. I like this on my BH, but personal preference!

Glayzer 09c is what one of my all time team mates has changed now to, so we have tested that a lot together as he tried my 09c and loved it, but struggled to adjust so I suggested the glayzer. It is just an in between step towards the dignics, and thus it behaves exactly how butterfly says it does: slower, lower throw angle, easier to block, easier when out of position, needs less body to activate etc. It still shares the same philosophy and i can recommend it to anybody who like that way of playing and planning to do dignics 09c later, i like its feeling, mamy people say that glayzer 09c is shit, I dont think so, it's just not the dignics but you pay less and is easier to play, I can for sure recommend trying it as an intermediate dignics 09c step. It has plenty of speed and spin for intermediate players!!!

 

[victormanriquey]

Also, I interpreted the passage about Tibhar MK as relating to FH specifically, so that’s why I was confused. The MK–FX is really a wonderful BH, the Nuzn 45 very similar (but is said to be much more durable). I can see how normal MK and Nuzn 48 will be great upgrades later on.

I will add the improvements tomorrow thanks!! I'll take your word for the nuzn 45

 

[victormanriquey]

You are really making me extremely curious to try out the Chinese Way now. So here’s a direct question: Playing the Hugo HAL now (non-carbon fiber. outer, but very wood:y. still some speed to it) with Soft hybrid on both sides. Should I put a Vega China/H3/Dignics 09C(/Glayzer 09c) on this racket, or on my backup, the Donic Persson Powerplay (7-ply) first and transfer it to Hugo if I really like it? [As a 3rd bat (given to me) I also have the Donic Smirnov Inner Carbon for further trials …]

I would think to use your main blade since you have more feel and experience with it. This way you can immediately understand the effect of the rubber change without another variable from the blade

I think it's always good to try things and broaden your perspective @Doppelschlag I like a good hard tacky rubber on my forehand so i can hit through and hear the loud metalic crack of a H3 boosted, there is no better feeling than that for me on FH, and very few people can put those balls back on the table

But if does require a different way of playing and it takes time to get used to it. I agree with @Souther to try on your main blade not to confuse your normal feeling. I also agree with him that they all play differently and that its best to use them for a while not to further confuse your feeling.

One thing though, 09c pick the 1.9mm to start, it has more control, yes it has less spin and speed due to softer sponge, and yes 2.1mm is better as the end goal, but trust me on this, do 1.9mm first to get used to it, otherwise balls will fly out. Or do glayzer 09c, can also work If you come from hybrids, you may find the 09c easier to use.

If you want to go hardcore and really change stuff, try H3n neo provincial. Yes to blue sponge, but in 39 and boost it once or twice (it's a matter of preference really, I usually boost twice, but you can experiment). One word of caution here. Blue sponge is better than orange for me personally yes, but it is harder to use, harder to lift backspin, harder on half long balls due to lower throw angle and harder to activate sponge. H3N prov 39 orange sponge might be a better way to start off. And I always boost, at least once, it's supposed to be boosted, but for beginners once is enough, or even unboosted if you want to experience a brick first, it can work too, I've been there done that, but im getting older and i like the magic of boosting hahaha

If you need more info on H3 send me DM, I can talk about it for hours and I know a guy playing provincially in china so he always sends me the latest deep details on his H3 setups

 

[Double_Trouble]

I know plenty of people (and some pros in the past, not sure now) that use the dignics 09c on forehand, so that can for sure work. It's just a different vibe than H3 and Vega China. From my personal H3 experience, I just don't like the really high throw angle of 09c on forehand and I have a 'chinese' technique where i add the throw angle with my body (letting arm drop closely behind body - aka butt wipe) and thus dignics 09c hurts me there, or that is at least my personal feel when I have used it (I have 09c on BH so i have tried it often to have some fun). But many people use it and are happy with it! Speed and spin are very good and no boost needed

I mentioned above that one of the chinese players of our club who always used H3 just changed to 09c and he was happy about power but struggling to put balls on the table. 09c needs time to adjust and forces you go to go more forward. I like this on my BH, but personal preference!

Glayzer 09c is what one of my all time team mates has changed now to, so we have tested that a lot together as he tried my 09c and loved it, but struggled to adjust so I suggested the glayzer. It is just an in between step towards the dignics, and thus it behaves exactly how butterfly says it does: slower, lower throw angle, easier to block, easier when out of position, needs less body to activate etc. It still shares the same philosophy and i can recommend it to anybody who like that way of playing and planning to do dignics 09c later, i like its feeling, mamy people say that glayzer 09c is shit, I dont think so, it's just not the dignics but you pay less and is easier to play, I can for sure recommend trying it as an intermediate dignics 09c step. It has plenty of speed and spin for intermediate players!!!

Glayzer 09c is very good. Of course, it is subjective but for me it works. I scratch my head when I hear/read it is not fast enough for advanced beginner/intermediate…
i would also suggest Nittaku Factive for beg/advanced beginner and intermediate. Rozena in my view is not exactly beginner rubber and Factive is all that many expect Rozena to be and more.

 

[victormanriquey]

Glayzer 09c is very good. Of course, it is subjective but for me it works. I scratch my head when I hear/read it is not fast enough for advanced beginner/intermediate…

100% agree, my feeling is that it's perfectly fine for an intermediate, can do it all good with its own philosophy.

i would also suggest Nittaku Factive for beg/advanced beginner and intermediate. Rozena in my view is not exactly beginner rubber and Factive is all that many expect Rozena to be and more.

Yes agreed!! I have added the factive in my beginner article, and rozena more for intermediates. Rozena has the spring sponge and that added bounce can be hard to handle as a first rubber. Again here plenty of examples where this advice is nuanced (i.e. kids with intense coaching and practice), but as a rule of thumb I agree.

 

[SFF_lib]

Okay cool thanks! Would you recommend it as an alternative to Battle II?

Definitely Vega China feels more lively

 

[victormanriquey]

Definitely Vega China feels more lively

Clear, read your review also and some others and by now, I think I need to try it again and this time properly.
I wonder, would it work on BH as a substitute of my 09c? I used to have H3 37 and liked it very much too, now trying 09c for long to compare and decide in some months.
Maybe also mix on spare blade with Nuzn as @Doppelschlag said, and see what I like most. Which Nuzn shall I try first?
And, any other top notch stuff I can try on BH that I may not have the pleasure to meet yet? haha
Thanks both!!

Ps. I'll add both to the guide today with your recommendations. Will update after I gave them a good spin.