Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[andymagata]

I downgraded my blades to a 5 ply. Kept Loki Rxton 3 Green and Super FX.

From the Haitian Sports Store, Ergonomic Handle 5-Layer Pure Wood Ping Pong Paddle Base for Straight-Handle Design Enthusiasts

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJWBY40

I immediately gained 3 more points per game with it. And the points I loose are many rallies, where I am not able to continue attack oppos blocks. After a bit of getting used to this, I will start beating oppos. Just because of a downgrade!

 

[ShakehandJpenCpenEnjoyer]

I downgraded my blades to a 5 ply. Kept Loki Rxton 3 Green and Super FX.

From the Haitian Sports Store, Ergonomic Handle 5-Layer Pure Wood Ping Pong Paddle Base for Straight-Handle Design Enthusiasts

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJWBY40

Any reason why you chose that blade over other famous cheap blades like from 729, DF, Loki or Sanwei? I never heard of that brand. Is it a hidden gem 👀?

 

[andymagata]

Any reason why you chose that blade over other famous cheap blades like from 729, DF, Loki or Sanwei? I never heard of that brand. Is it a hidden gem 👀?

I bought a Haitian blade before from chtt web store. Excellent feeling that one had, but I kind of destroyed it when I started cutting the edges to try to fit rubbers that had been on a cybershaped blade. There is a reason why that webshop carries Haitian, great blades.

I could have bought another of the same, Haitian Young-1, however that one have basswood and candlewood as material, but played really well with Andro Hexer Grip SFX, but this one I bought now have ayous and spruce. I liked the composition, ayous and spuce, I think this is the biggest reason I bought it. However, I had to let google translate the chinese signs to me, so the composition could be up for a debate. But, it certainly looks like the translations are correct, well, the spruce looks exactly the same as on my Yasaka Ma Lin Extra offensive.

And I did not want to pay 50 dollars for a 5 ply from Stiga or Yasaka, I consider that a bit boring, even if especially Yasaka blade would probably be great to play with. Maybe even better, I don't know. But Haitian is great - I am not looking for anything else now.

Blade weighs 84 grams, beautiful finish, no rough edges whatsoever and a handle that does not press against the ball of the hand. The playing surface is not perfectly smooth though, when I scraped with my nail I felt some irregularities.

6 mm thick, top ply is not ultra-thin. No lenses at all on the handle which is great!

Glued Loki Rxton 3 Green and 729 Super FX Soft 1.5 mm with Falco Normal glue, ended up with thicker layers of glue because the glue is so thick. One layer on blade, two layers on rubber and both rubbers curled a bit, the FX a bit more, especially when I put on the second layer of glue. The racket ended up at 178 grams.

After the sessions with it, I can now confidently do full forehand and backhand drives and loops. I also landed more chops on the table. When I don't get jammed that is. My backhand serves are also much more secure now! The same movement as with 7 ply and inner carbon blades, but now suddenly the ball is kept on the table and I cannot see any difference in speed that close to the table. I love it!

 

[dingyibvs]

I don't know what's going on exactly but this new receiving stance has ignited something in me. Not only has my BH receives against long services improved tremendously, it's also rapidly improving my BH flick and my BH loops in general. It's like I found the missing piece of the puzzle, and everything all of a sudden is clicking!

I'm still trying to figure out why, it's probably a number of things. For general BH shots, I think it's making me really get used to using a smaller backswing, which is a much more focused, explosive shot compared to the bigger but more "loose/散" stroke. But more than that, I think the change is not just that I held the racket higher but a bit more forward. This makes me get used to a stroke where I would bring the racket back toward me, kind of going back along with the ball before snapping forward, whereas before I would sort of backswing early and kind of wait for the ball to come before swinging forward. It's just a much more relaxed, whippy stroke with better timing. It also gives me the option of not bringing my racket back much if any at all but instead backswing by bringing my elbow and body forward, giving me the option to add power and/or loop down the line.

For the BH flick I think the shorter distance to the ball is absolutely crucial. Before I had to really rush to bring my racket up from below the table and then back down in order to flick a heavier backspin ball. I've actually banged my racket on the table before while trying to this too quickly. Now that's no longer an issue, and by getting used to playing short balls that way I'm also better at BH attacks over the table in general.

Separately, I've also made some jumps in the BH loop department. I did some limit testing yesterday, same I did a while back on the FH side, which is to find just how much I can hit and how little I can brush and still get the ball on the table. The answer, as was the case on the FH side, was a lot more than I previously thought! I was launching some haymakers by the end of the session. Whatsmore, I initially had issues with relooping since the blocked ball coming back had so much pace as well and I would either miss the ball or hit it out. Then I found out I could adjust to a faster ball by using my body to press down. Again, very similar to the FH side.

Man, what productive few days it's been. I'm just so surprised by how quickly things are improving. While I only started focusing on the BH a month ago, I incorporated some BH training in my regimen most of the time. Things were stagnant for a long time even as my form improved, but all of a sudden it seems like everything is starting to click. I'm pretty excited about the progress, and things are just getting started. Can't wait to see how the next month of training will go!

 

[Der_Echte]

I see it in person and I will tell you why... you are doing more efficient.

 

[andymagata]

And most people that tries to improve only do that by playing more often against the same group of people and doing the same types of strokes. Only a few are willing to change, try new techniques and listen to good advice.

 

[dingyibvs]

I see it in person and I will tell you why... you are doing more efficient.

I remember when we played in my garage, you were telling me that I didn't need such a big stroke especially against heavy long pushes. I couldn't execute it then. A few weeks ago I was playing against a CPen guy (recently took down a 2100+ kid visiting the club) with a really good long service, and one of my frequent training/playing partners told me I really need to shorten my stroke, and again I couldn't.

Now I think I know why that was the case. I think the issue is that when I was trying to shorten the stroke, I would start with the racket higher, but I was still just having the racket in place, where the maximum backswing point would be, waiting for the ball to come. It's just the maximum backswing point moved higher/forward. What I needed to do is to have the racket even higher and/or more forward, so that I can bring it back along with the ball and reach the maximum backswing point together with the ball and then whip the racket forward. Starting my service receive with the racket above the table really helped me realize how important that was.

And most people that tries to improve only do that by playing more often against the same group of people and doing the same types of strokes. Only a few are willing to change, try new techniques and listen to good advice.

Changing involves getting worse first, and I do admit that it can get tiring after a while lol. I feel like even more than that, changing a technique requires you to practice more and play less matches, and that's a lot less fun even for someone like me who enjoys practicing. It's all worth it in the end though! I try to listen to advice from everyone, and give it a try to see if it's something helpful.

 

[piligrim]

Is anybody using Chrome? for some reason it tell me I am blocked but I able to enter with Firefox ..

 

[dingyibvs]

Is anybody using Chrome? for some reason it tell me I am blocked but I able to enter with Firefox ..

I use Chrome, it works fine for me. What are you blocked by?

 

[piligrim]

I use Chrome, it works fine for me. What are you blocked by?

It says:

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[dingyibvs]

It says:

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Why have I been blocked?​

This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data.

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I think most commonly it's a browser extension issue since it's not looking like your IP is blocked. Try disabling some Chrome extensions.

 

[piligrim]

I think most commonly it's a browser extension issue since it's not looking like your IP is blocked. Try disabling some Chrome extensions.

It works now. I didn't do anything ))

 

[banbekas]

Spinsight measures speed too, and there is no difference in speed or spin.

Then as I said before, it's your mental-block. Spin and speed are the same and throw angle wouldn't be the same for each shot. Coz a friend of mine finds it easier to block H3 loop.

 

[dingyibvs]

Then as I said before, it's your mental-block. Spin and speed are the same and throw angle wouldn't be the same for each shot. Coz a friend of mine finds it easier to block H3 loop.

I doubt everyone's got a mental block. What speed/spin loops does your friend deal with? It sounds like you're used to facing slow loops from H3, have you tried blocking a loop from H3 that's just as fast as one from a Dignics?

 

[banbekas]

I doubt everyone's got a mental block. What speed/spin loops does your friend deal with? It sounds like you're used to facing slow loops from H3, have you tried blocking a loop from H3 that's just as fast as one from a Dignics?

Unfortunately, we don't have spinsight here.

Yes, it's not any more difficult than blocking the loops from Dignics, Tenergy, or Platinum DNA.

The level of my opponent matters more than the rubber when it comes quality, really.

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

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[dingyibvs]

Unfortunately, we don't have spinsight here.

Yes, it's not any more difficult than blocking the loops from Dignics, Tenergy, or Platinum DNA.

The level of my opponent matters more than the rubber when it comes quality, really.

Of course the opponent matters more, but we have the same players just using different rubbers. I don't think it's that big of a deal, it was just an interesting observation.

I've had to work a lot this week, didn't get to play much. I did go to the Pleasanton club on Sat, where I play mostly doubles and there are lots of penhold +/- pips players. I'd save some money sticking to just one club, but I think the variety in opponents (and tables, Butterfly vs Stiga are quite different) helps me develop a more well-rounded game.

My BH was the best its ever been, but it's still got some ways to go. It was really solid against regular SH inverted, but once the LP hits, Cpen sideswipes etc. roll in I struggled mightily, especially in doubles setting where I often have move a lot before hitting a shot. I especially had trouble when I had to to step in, I think because it made the backswinging with the ball motion more difficult. There's a guy there with a sick RPB, and I see that he would have a distinct backswing with his wrist right before hitting the ball, maybe I'll give that a try.

 

[TampaBayTableTennis]

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[Der_Echte]

Of course the opponent matters more, but we have the same players just using different rubbers. I don't think it's that big of a deal, it was just an interesting observation.

I've had to work a lot this week, didn't get to play much. I did go to the Pleasanton club on Sat, where I play mostly doubles and there are lots of penhold +/- pips players. I'd save some money sticking to just one club, but I think the variety in opponents (and tables, Butterfly vs Stiga are quite different) helps me develop a more well-rounded game.

My BH was the best its ever been, but it's still got some ways to go. It was really solid against regular SH inverted, but once the LP hits, Cpen sideswipes etc. roll in I struggled mightily, especially in doubles setting where I often have move a lot before hitting a shot. I especially had trouble when I had to to step in, I think because it made the backswinging with the ball motion more difficult. There's a guy there with a sick RPB, and I see that he would have a distinct backswing with his wrist right before hitting the ball, maybe I'll give that a try.

@dingyibvs will also take you up on dbls practice at Pleasanton some day soon if possible.

 

[MOG]

I did it! I bought an Innerforce Layer ALC! Last blade I ever buy, beg, borrow or steal!